posted on November 8, 2007 at 2:06 am

my glasses have broken
and these cheapies are killing me
instant headache
with my big head thats a doozie of a whopper
supersize that headache
add neuralgia and restlessness and anger
suddenly my printer dont print
i explode in useless laughable frustration
a ninny having a temper tantrum
how tedious
how bored i am with myself
how confused i get taking this wearisome meat thing on again
just like any old 2 sides
diametrically opposed
hurling insults
right?
the carns and the vegs
except that
while it goes on and on
millions of sentient creatures are being killed
mmm
sentient
able to feel and perceive things
yes yes
thats me
i can perceive and feel things
i know that
cos i hate pain and i can feel that
i hate grief and ive felt that
i fear an untimely death and i feel it always
i must be feeling
that i can perceive at least something
its self evident
im human, arent i?
yes i am
and i know humans
i know humans must feel pain and grief and fear
because i do myself
and i know another thing about humans
even though pain and grief and fear
are the very worst things
humans will inflict them on other humans
of course we do
even though we dread these things ourselves
we have inflicted them on others since time immemorial
how do we do it i wonder?
then i see into myself
i see an inherent willingness
to accept tragedy more easily
if its not in my country or neighbourhood
if its not happening to my people
the ones who look and talk like me
if its not happening to my friends and family
or people who live like me
thats why a terrible train crash in england or the u.s
will get more coverage than if its in india or africa or asia
its us and them really
the young vs the old
men vs women
allies vs axis
rome vs carthage
whatever
and each side
a rationale of dehumanizing the other
so you can do whatever it takes to vanquish em
you tell yourself :
they dont feel it like i do
but they do
maybe you just turn off :
ok i know they feel it but i dont care
or you lie to yourself a terrible lie :
it doesnt matter if they feel it.
funny after all the wars are over
we find out the enemies did feel it after all
just like us
yes they were heartbroken when their cities destroyed
yes they wept for their dead
yes they were glad it was over
we become friends
form an alliance perhaps
against new enemies
whom we can dehumanise
until we vanquish or are vanquished ourselves
that is history
people go around the world clobbering each other
not do as you would be done by
the golden rule
numero uno
before you do anything else boyo
on this planet
here is your number one instruction
do as you would be done by
surely all laws extant can be boiled down
to this one common sense axiom
and just imagine
a world where people always stopped and considered
how would i like it if someone did this to me
ok
another thing
we have been handed a very human presumption
by our parents in their ignorance
and their parents before them
and so on
us in the west i mean
i exclude hindus jains and many buddhists from this
we are given to believe
that the golden rule may be disregarded
if we are talking enemies or animals
and furthermore
animals dont count
except our doggies and cats
all else is here to be used however we see fit
whatever…its ok…its an animal
it doesnt feel it
in the sense “we” do
but i say that is a lie
i say that is a rationale justifying torture and murder
the sort of thing you wouldnt want yourself
being as that may be
it was perhaps easy to understand
hunters in various times and places
having to from necessity
perhaps
killing and eating individual animals
however
we are no longer talking about that
we are talking on an incredible scale
millions and billions
and not
walking through the woods until hunted
but an entire life
denied any of the basic things
a creature
any creature
might expect from a universe
from a world that hadnt gone totally crazy
from a time when maybe a little bit of justice prevailed
a creature might expect
to be allowed to remain with its mother
not to be mutilated or murdered
not to be separated from others of its kind
not to be denied freedom for its whole life
not to have its offspring torn away
not to be branded or broken
you get the picture
i would want all these things
i am a creature
i expect other creatures feel like me
i see mothers go to any length for their offspring
yes they do
human mothers
lioness mothers
kangaroo mothers
no less
cows
sheep
pigs
i see no reason to suspect that they dont feel it
in their own way
its not my way
but then
no body feels it the same way exactly
not even identical twins
people tell you fish dont feel the hook
thats bullshit
people think animals dont have feelings
thats bullshit too
people tell you even if they do have feelings it doesnt matter
more bullshit
just like war is fucking bullshit
bullshit we have been conditioned to accept
would you like to be killed in a war or a slaughterhouse?
would you like it for your friends and family?
if you answered no to those questions
yet you eat meat or advocate war
then you are fucking with the golden rule
and you are attributing other creatures
less right to live than you
is a human life more important than a cow?
only to a human
if you could ask a cow i doubt it would agree
of course everything wants to save its own skin
i dont know
to me
it takes a big pair of balls
to think it all through
and still say
fuck justice
fuck the planet
fuck karma
fuck all the other creatures
fuck my heart and my conscience
fuck the golden rule
fuck steve kilbey and his preaching self righteous rant
i eat meat cos i like it
i aint gonna stop
not only that
i will antagonise criticise and ridicule
anyone whos got the gall to speak out
slaughterhouses?
fine
as long as their outta my sight
and i can just buy my frozen gizzards and rumps
or get my meat lovers pizza with lamb balls
who cares?
OR
i would be a veg but
(choose a convenient rationale)
* steve kilbeys falcon is worse
* i need b12 (someone said)
* sam neill said we’re sposed to eat meat
* im married to a meat eater
* my dad was a farmer
* im anaemic
* i need blood cos im a woman and we menstruate
* i need blood cos im a man and we”re redblooded
* i need meat cos im growing
* what about the tibetans who eat meat?
* what about the screaming carrots
* vegs are self righteous so i’ll go on eating it
* it tastes so good
* i was veg once but…um…
* what about the poor?
* what about the trees
* there wouldnt be any cows if we didnt eat them
* i only have white meat
* i am practically..just a bit now and then
* its un australian or un american
* im not gonna do what kilbey tells me to do
* what about being a junkie?

ok
thats it
go ahead
comment about your ham sammich
its really funny
no really
what a comedian
ha
great
see ya round
like a rissole

59 Responses to “being human”

  1. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 3:46 am #

    didn’t someone just offer you a pain killer?

  2. avatar
    captainmission | 8 November 2007 at 3:47 am #

    bless ya

  3. avatar
    Olde Amps | 8 November 2007 at 4:14 am #

    As Paul McCartney once said: “If all slaughterhouses had glass walls; nobody would eat meat”

    Or something along those lines.

    Both Kilbey and McCartney are far more articulate than me so I shan’t rant again…it’s all been said here…if you wouldn’t want your family and friends butchered…why is it OK for other beings?

    Answer…

    It’s not OK.

  4. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 4:43 am #

    neuralgia must suck Steven?!try that bi-carb-molasses concoction that you were prescribed for dreamy sleep.the alkalinity may help,and the lactic acid of eyestrain cant be helping…common sense will prevail,one day.there is such a huge variety of things out there to eat{veg wise…wasnt that a double entendre},it’s a shame that the meat eating poopulation dont just give it a go..its much easier to accept for some when they realize that the effort put into preparing veg food is only slightly more,and aside from any of the other universal benefits…it tastes phenomenally good,as opposed to any meaty dish they may think their body “needs?”…you do not need meat!you do not NEED MEAT OR ANIMAL PRODUCTS!IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO KILL,IN OUR “CIVILIZED”SOCIETY,when there is enough nutrition available from the gardenbeds….as a child i heard an urban myth of a young girl being made to eat her befriended,and bottlefed companion{of 6months ,the lamb was 6months old} and that,which devastated me,had such an impact on me that i just cant quite even understand why anyone would even consider animals as meals…ahhh! coupla daze!…have a lovely afternoon…hope the computer is doin its thang micely for you!…take care of that head,sending an astral heat pack to the head,and back o the neck…love,as always,gen xxxxxx

  5. avatar
    JONNY NOT YET SO HOLLYWOODISH | 8 November 2007 at 4:50 am #

    write on esskay, eat those words mb from greece, long live meye creatures of me earth…
    Horus

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    Qwaggmuncherfuppetsquidfut | 8 November 2007 at 4:56 am #

    SK put up some nice easy recipes fo those people who are afraid to eat the vego way…

    and all you meaty types…………. Don’t eat cats

  7. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 5:04 am #

    you could always give up writing your bogg and leave your thoughts to yourself…

  8. avatar
    better | 8 November 2007 at 5:12 am #

    easy there 4:04
    that boldness will only remind yu of ur tail between ur legs.. as you comment anon and from a far…

    I mean what are yu here for anyways, take the time to tie ur shoes before yu stand up for something…
    and hey sometimes the shoe may fit and it smells like shyte, yu can always change ur shoe…right..

    now say that fast three times..

  9. avatar
    Fawn | 8 November 2007 at 6:07 am #

    It wasn’t so long ago that those speaking out against slavery were thought of as self righteous and fanatical.
    Are those of us who think that rape, murder, or child abuse is wrong, self righteous? Maybe. Maybe we should be? Or should we keep our opinion to ourselves on these issues too because everyone has a ‘right’ to do what they like to others and perhaps it might offend the murderer or rapist or make them feel uncomfortable if we confront them on their ‘choice.’
    Thanks Steve for expressing what I’ve wanted to hear since I was an 8 years old vegetarian when I thought I was the only person on the planet who understood this stuff.
    By the way if there happen to be any animal eaters left reading this blog who want to change their ways but are still concerned about nutrition, I just got my first blood test results after 3 years of being vegan (99% vegan) and my iron and vitamin B12 levels are PERFECT.
    Steve I love what you are doing for the animals- someone has to say it.

  10. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 8 November 2007 at 6:11 am #

    Sk it’s a no brainer. All life emanates from the some Creator. To kill or harm an innocent animal, bird, fish, reptile, amphibian or insect is an affront to the Creator. For people that are agnostic or atheist they are harming and killing sentient beings. For scientists it must be noted that the beef, pork, poultry, lamb and fishing industries cause more pollution, global warming, damage to marine and terrestrial ecosystems, and environmental crises than all the pernicous emissions released by destructive planes, trains, automobiles and boats. to put it nicely carnovores are unenlightened and frankly frightening!

  11. avatar
    Peter | 8 November 2007 at 6:38 am #

    surely it’s wrong to taint the bull with providing the source all verbal excrement . Surely this will hurt his feelings? Or is this ramshit ?

  12. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 7:01 am #

    sorry SK! but if i may be excused for one more comment…here are some basic principles of cooking vegan style,in step with an example of normality in the diet of a non- vegan….if you dont eat meat,there IS more than enough nutrition available in veges,nuts grains and legumes fruits herbs and spices.it truly only takes a bit of imagination,and some basic translations of methods in recipes,to change your diet into a vegan one…step 1. cut out all meat…you do NOT need it to survive,HONESTLY! …step 2 no animal products…if you used to use eggs as a binder in a cake or meat dish…exchange this egg,for a 1:3 mixture of buckwheat: vege mix…buckwheat when left for a few minutes in a damp mixture will act as a binder and give a lovely earthy/nutty {subtle} to whatever you are making,whether it be sweet or savoury….an example of a non vegan crepe recipe,would be 1 cup plain flour,1egg,1cup milk,1 pinch o salt…..the vegan version…1cup o soy{flavoured if ya want?}/rice/oat milk,1 pinch o salt,2/3 cup o plain flour{or a 1/3cupplain/1/3 cup self raising,if you want em thick}1/3 cup of buckwheat …mix it and let it stand for 30minutes before you use it,and use your imagination when it comes to the toppings/mixture..you could do berries in the mixture,or as a topping,or banana and hazelnuts etcin a sweet syrup…in savoury meals any starchy vege will do as a binder,ie,corn potato etc…and the starches of rices,legumes,and beans are all useful for texturing meals…variety is the key to a good diet,getting the best,freshest,and the broadest amount of vitamins and minerals.i can even get my daughter to eat brussels sprouts because i cook em so the taste good…the humble vegetable …is a STAR at our dinner table every night….vegetables are not boring…if you take the time,and use your imagination…love to you all!…and please be understandingg of the fact that my measurements may be slightly out or off,as i havent visually gauged my cooking for 8 years now…but they’re ballpark measurements anyway…love,gen x

  13. avatar
    ticker | 8 November 2007 at 8:49 am #

    how come you eat ice cream and chocky then? ful of eggs and dairy products arn’t they?its these inconsistencies that fuck up your whole argument. like a girl i once knew who was ‘vegetarian’ except for ‘a bit of bacon’ from time to time. inconsistent.

  14. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 9:09 am #

    dear “ticker”…there are vegan options for almost any food you can imagine…thats how a vegan can remain a vegan…you can buy vegan chocolate,…there’s only a limit of the imagination which will hold you back…my local eco/wellbeing/veg suppliies/health food shop,sells a vegan version of dark chocolate toblerone,amongst many sweets and even vegan ice creams{obviously not “cream”in the dairy sense}.everything,and anything is always possible …,gen x

  15. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 9:35 am #

    Go to http://www.criticsrant.com/bb/reading_level.aspx and enter stevekilbey.blogspot.com

  16. avatar
    not Taqui Altouyan | 8 November 2007 at 9:36 am #

    I read a book by an English-Armenian woman who lived in Aleppo, Syria who was angred by the Muslim treatment of animals. Animals don’t have souls, so one does not have to treat them with any consideration. She also wasn’t keen on the Turks’ treatment of Armenians.

    I’m sorry you get upset, Steve, when you feel compelled to rant. Billions of people have never thought about what they eat. Millions probably think carrots grow in cans. Perhaps one Anonymous will comment to a real live person down the pub about your crazy vegan rants, and that one person will ask ‘What’s a vegan?’

    That’s how avalanches start

  17. avatar
    woodsprite | 8 November 2007 at 10:40 am #

    Eh Ticker, the old “you’re not consistent” argument is a rather weak way of taking the focus off your own habits.

  18. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 10:41 am #

    fuck, i know what it’s like to wear shitty glasses, your eyes end up feeling like they have sand in them, the floor seems to slope away at funny angles and your head has black sabbath pounding away inside it at volume 11…is it something you can fix with sticky tape, a hot glue gun or an unbent paperclip…
    love always
    -The Hellbound Heart

  19. avatar
    veleska1970 | 8 November 2007 at 11:10 am #

    “and just imagine
    a world where people always stopped and considered
    how would i like it if someone did this to me”

    so simple, yet so impossible for people to practice. **pffft**

  20. avatar
    AelSunriseBird | 8 November 2007 at 11:39 am #

    Us=Them

    Drive down your freeway & look into the gentle eyes of the fearful cow in the bandy beaten truck. Wheels spin & wooden panel’s stench with slaughter.

    Watch the gentle trust of the pig horded into a cage with several of its sisters & brothers, not knowing it is on the way to having its head painfully smashed in, its guts ripped out, before being cut into 20 pieces for unnecessary sustenance, because when it’s cooked it smells so good.

    Observe the child murdered by ‘whose troops this time’ because it was standing on the wrong side of the fence.

    How are any of these atrocities acceptable? How are any of these things possible when we as born thinkers & feelers are so capable of love and highest intelligence?

    If I were able to post photos here, to explain in visual terms what all of this means, how all of this looks, maybe then some may understand. We have all been through every emotion, yes we all want the same things, we just don’t think we know how to get there or we think we do. We’re all in this together. I want you to be happy, you want to be happy, we all want to be fulfilled. Permanently, no more quick fixes.

    Steve love angel warrior. What you do is a hard job. It does create headaches. Like a monkey ‘ta ta ta ta ta’. The conscience is calling, listen to me. When your mind is free all things are possible. You can’t make people do what you want. We can lead horses to water but can’t force them to drink. It may not happen in our lifetimes but it will happen. Eventually. Each step, each growing stem of this huge universe and it will be ok, as long as we never remain complacent.

    We won’t.

    I wish for you peace of mind & heart. A source of harmony & stage 4 slumber and not to be afraid of what death may hold.

    Headaches: It’s the season.
    Your glasses may be broken but your insight still 50/50 vision.
    A kiss on ones eyelashes will take away the pain…
    Love is the answer, Always.

    “The world is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look at it without doing anything” Your Aspergers Buddy – Albert Einstein

  21. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 12:24 pm #

    In the late 80s some shit shock-jock type called James Whale had a tv show in Yorkshire. However, one night he broadcast a piece of film taken secretly inside an abbatoir. It was of a man holding up a pig by its back legs while he shoved it along on its front legs. The man was kicking the pig repeatedly around its throat and jaw, while shouting and swearing at it, over the pig’s cries.
    That’s the price of your bacon sandwich.

  22. avatar
    fantasticandy | 8 November 2007 at 1:03 pm #

    still just common sense.
    why not give the old veg a try?
    what have YOU got to lose?
    happy daze,
    andy L.

  23. avatar
    fantasticandy | 8 November 2007 at 1:06 pm #

    oh steve…i’m a qualified system builder…..if the printer is still ‘playing up’ let me know.

  24. avatar
    nickfiction | 8 November 2007 at 1:21 pm #

    personally i like the sugar free red bulls or diet rock stars, i believe them to be cruelty free…..

  25. avatar
    restaurant mark | 8 November 2007 at 1:28 pm #

    the golden rule…we all learned it when we were what? 5, 6 years old…maybe even younger. the most important lesson…the most usefull information…if everyone, only more often than not lived by it, the world as a whole would be a better place. a lot of our problems would take care of themselves.

    take care everyone

    mark

  26. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 1:55 pm #

    Kilbey, that was easily your best blog entry ever…a well thought-out, passionate but rational little essay. Sure, it helps that I agree with you, but nonetheless…good job.

    -Canuck

  27. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 2:00 pm #

    Hmmm…Okay, Steve, you’ve convinced me. Not that I haven’t thought about becoming a vegetarian before. Animal cruelty makes med cry (and it takes a lot to make me cry). I’ve seen terrible things done to farm animals (documentaries on tv), but I always felt that the conditions under which these animals
    live “just” had to be improved on, and then it would be legitimate. It may very well be that I have had “selective” compassion, but then animals kill animals, too, so as long as we do it in a much more humane way, then I felt like that that made it okay – I guess. As it happens I have been eating less and less meat the last couple of years ( steaks, big lumps of meat, sort of revolts me), so I suppose I might as well go all the way and become a vegetarian.

    I don’t believe for a second, though, that one day we will all be vegetarians. Not in a million years. But count me in!

    Thomas Thomsen, Denmark.

  28. avatar
    John | 8 November 2007 at 2:14 pm #

    For the record, that was NOT me that had the ham sammich. I’m snarky, but not beligerent.

    John Garratt

  29. avatar
    John | 8 November 2007 at 2:19 pm #

    Oh, and Steve, how about typing recipes? Start with pears.

    John Garratt

  30. avatar
    daniel12 | 8 November 2007 at 3:05 pm #

    Did anyone here watch that SBS Slaughterhouse documentry a few weeks ago ?. I think it was called Slaghtermen.
    It was possibly the most repusivly gruesome thing i’ve ever seen on television but unlike other slaughterhouse footage i’ve seen this film focused on the actual slaughtermen.
    I kept watching as i found the sad interveiws disturbingly insightfull.
    But let me tell you it took a strong stomach to sit through the slaughter scenes , some animals were actually gutted and dismembered whilst alive and concious. And i’m sorry to say aelsunrisebird but these animals totaly knew what was going on. One pig actually had some sort of fear induced seizure before even getting inside. The Slaughtermen kicked it and cursed at it before killing it there.
    This and worse scenes of animal abuse were juxtaposed with the slaughtermen interveiws.
    Almost without exeption the slaughtermen were from broken loveless homes or violent backgrounds. Some actually revelled in the violence and gore of there occupation.
    They spoke in matter of fact english underclass accents of the the daily hell they created as if it was just a job.
    But here’s the catch. When asked if what they did for a living bothered them they all stated that it was better than being unemployed.
    In there world dole bludgers were the scum of the earth and some spoke of them in tones of pure hatred.

    There own brand of us and them.

    The slaughterhouse was in an economically depressed english town and no doubt some of the towns dole bludgers had distain for the slaughermens lifestyle choices too.
    It seemed to me that the brutality of there lives combined with the pride in not being one of them (dolebludgers) had totally desensitised the slaughtermen to the horror of what they were doing.
    Though some said they realised the horrific suffering of the animals they said they just put it out of there minds and got on with the job.
    Then there were the Islamic Haal slaughtermen and the Jewish Kosher slaughtermen. There slaughter methods were just as horrific but justified with self righteous religious smugness.
    They saw themselves as moraly superior to the inhouse slaughtermen and im guessing the dolebludgers too.
    Anyway my point with all of this is that i saw the carry on of this small english slaughterhouse as like a microcosm of the way the wider meat industry works. The denial of its horror, the justification of it on economic and religious grounds.
    I tell you what though, these kind of pro meat arguements arn’t very convincing when set against a backdrop of what it actually is.

  31. avatar
    markobears | 8 November 2007 at 3:07 pm #

    HA! “there wouldnt be any cows if we didnt eat them”
    that was my excuse about 14 years ago when i started eatting meat again.

  32. avatar
    JONNY NOT YET SO HOLLYWOODISH | 8 November 2007 at 5:00 pm #

    wholly shit man, how big are you markobears??? yikes…
    Hollywood

  33. avatar
    davem | 8 November 2007 at 6:59 pm #

    Thanks again esskay.
    Totally on board. Falafels in pitta on the go.
    You’re an inspiration beyond the music.
    Brilliant to hear you’re convinced Thomas. Loads of us here to offer you encouragement on your journey.
    Love to all and especially you Steve.

    xx

  34. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 7:00 pm #

    johnny hollywood! you are so funny!bless your sweet big heart!

  35. avatar
    JONNY NOT YET SO HOLLYWOODISH | 8 November 2007 at 7:53 pm #

    Hey Esskay,
    just ‘a’ reminder, please check your house for these art design toys called BINDEEZ, the chinese are trying to harm our children by putting GHB in art supplies…
    Jonny Moondog Smythe

  36. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 8:13 pm #

    yeah, no sentience at all:
    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21689083

  37. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 8:32 pm #

    There are a lot of animals that would love to eat us…Put 2 billion grizzly bears on the planet and we become the main course ! Likewise plants and veggies have no means of escape…We could can the blood of our harvest animals to drink…but we dont think it taste good…But sqeeze the shit out of an orange for the juice… it might feel pain
    I like the balance of meat/veggies…everything has its opposite and balance – point
    remember: Its not what a man puts into his body that defiles him…but rather what comes out .
    peace

  38. avatar
    steve kilbey | 8 November 2007 at 9:13 pm #

    apart from this imbecile above…
    thank you people for vindicating me
    john..i knew that wasnt you
    peace love and freedom
    for everything
    cosmic love
    kilbey

  39. avatar
    Serena the Incubine | 8 November 2007 at 9:42 pm #

    Can’t you understand? You are still human. No onc can say taht. You aren’ helping me yet. I want to be. Please. Give me a sing you are listening. i need to have your touch of god.

  40. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 10:07 pm #

    You are most welcome Steven.Anytime .can’t speak for everybody else on the page,but,I,personally am listening to your music,right now,so i say to you..”thank-YOU!” .

  41. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 10:41 pm #

    OK, so his music is informed by his beliefs, and anon 9.07, is listening to his music as if it is in someway related to his beliefs, as if it validates them or explains them in someway.

    Sorry,

    but I think that devalues the music. Music is pure. Please keep the music out of the discussion.

  42. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 November 2007 at 10:48 pm #

    when you exchange goods for a few coins,in a store,usually both parties involved should say thank-you,even though both parties left the exchange with different currencies..my thank you was genuine,and not in exchange for this vegan topic .

  43. avatar
    Ethereal Butterfly | 8 November 2007 at 11:33 pm #

    The Sage of Yoga – Pantanjali lived some time in the pre-Christian era, about 220 BC. He is traditionally said to be the author of works on medicine, grammar and yoga. His treatise on yoga is called the Yoga Sutras or Yoga Aphorisms. These summarise all of the various aspects of yoga and systemises them. The first of the 8 Limbs of Yoga; Five universal commandments (yama) aimed at creating a better world: not harming anyone or anything; truthfulness; non-stealing; leading a godly, chaste life; and being non-grasping. Thankyou for bringing the important issue of how we are contributing to the destruction of our planet, our health and karma by the use and abuse of animals as an unnecessary way of modern life to the arena. I know I have admitted here that I am not wholly a vege, but your blog has brought the discussion to my table and we are planning to make changes to our diets. Our lifestyles are habitual and based on tradition which is as unjustifiable in this modern era as slave trading was and still is. We should all examine our relationships also to the current slave trades still in existence for our fashion, sportswear industries and sex slave ( predominantly S.E Asia) and war industries – (most of the American war meat-market come from African – American working class, and in Africa from youth who are either stolen or bought from their families.)

  44. avatar
    Celticat | 8 November 2007 at 11:34 pm #

    Steve aaaaargh – just got to tell someone!!!!!

    Going to see Divinyls in Perth at Freo Oval so I can go to THE CHURCH!!!!!

    Absolutely wrapped mate..

    Have bought DITS and really enjoying it, hasn’t left my car stereo since I got it.

    Thankyou Steve for letting me breathe.

    I’m guessing you arn’t keen on the tablets but I find when I have a headache coming on that I know is going to be bad I take two 500mg paracetamol and two neurofen (with food) and go somewhere quiet and close eyes. Almost always works without zapping your strength.

    Love to you and your family.

    PS I don’t hate cats, just couldn’t eat a whole one.

  45. avatar
    Najinsky | 9 November 2007 at 12:20 am #

    You should break your printer more often. There has to be at least four songs worth in that delicate flow.

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    Cyclone Annie and the Simirals of Morgoth's Divnine house of comedy | 9 November 2007 at 12:30 am #

    Most of the freekin anglophile army (aust/US/UK) love the chance for some action. Hence all those poor misguided lefties that want em’ back home, are straining there energy levels for no apparent reason. These Meat headed trained killing machines crave any chance to go and kill, meanace and maime, the ‘yellow man’ or whatever impoverished 3rd world nation with an overabundance of oil and nuclear ideas, you wish to insert.

    Let these dogmatic pigs, be either institutionalised with the hope of a cure, rather than let loose on the cradles of humanity.

    Yours, (minus the wine and gravy sauce)

    Edvard Munch jnr.

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    Anonymous | 9 November 2007 at 12:42 am #

    4 bloody comments!!!!
    genx quit hogging this blogg

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    eek | 9 November 2007 at 12:44 am #

    If this blog doesn’t make you think nothing much will. That’s what keeps me coming back.

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    Anonymous | 9 November 2007 at 1:10 am #

    anon @ 11:42…if your only talents are mathematics,and sniping{neither of which i see you excelling with}i sugguest that you “bite me!…and have a lovely day….”p.s. this is my 500th comment today!…gen x

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    Brien Comerford | 9 November 2007 at 1:42 am #

    Vegans/Vegetarians for religious and spiritual reasons must be Pro-Life. The life of a fish is precious and so is the life of a human fetus. Carnivores are very effective at nailing vegetarians if the vegetarian is Pro-Abortion. We have to be consistent. If we are, our vegetarian arguement is irrefutable.

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    steve kilbey | 9 November 2007 at 2:04 am #

    i do not want the abortion debate here thanks
    sorry
    got enough on me plate mate

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    Me done me homework on the dogs mattresse then it chewed up me smelly socks of Movember rain's dead | 9 November 2007 at 2:48 am #

    boey whoo whoo , googey eggs for mee,C is for cookie good enough to eat. L is for lentals that i love more than my tv store rentals. B us for Bottom wich is the barrel that i scrape. S is for Superficial which is the facade that i weep and keep for the pickpockets at my feet. And finally or last but not least. A is for Anullment which is the divorce papers i signed last week without a peep peep peep peep. Steffi Graff for PM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Peter Garrett for anal retentiveness to the extreme,.

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    Finn | 9 November 2007 at 2:55 am #

    steve – I thought of you today. I was a vegetarian from about 1997 to 2001. I don’t know why, but I slipped, then I slipped a little more. Then I decided outright that I couldn’t do it anymore. I’m picky, it’s easier, it’s blah blah blah blah.

    But today, I had a turkey sandwich for lunch. And it was tasty, it was fine, it was like any other turkey sandwich. But I also knew and felt that it wasn’t life. It was death that I was ingesting. I’m not saying I’m going back, at least not just yet, because there are other issues at hand. But I do understand, and yeah, I’m one of those assholes who says something like — I’m practical, only once in a while and it’s true – but I know that being a part of the machine that churns out death is an ugly place to be.

    And I thought of you after I’d eaten this sandwich and knew it wasn’t healthy or good, but merely sustenance, and the worst kind on top of that.

    I don’t know. I understand the cruelty and I understand that I live in a world that is cruel and that this is not the natural order of things.

    So what’s the point? Why am I commenting? It strikes me that there is no way to live a perfect life and one that is free of cruelty and selfishness and you have to make your sacrifices where you must. Whatever they may be. We should strive to be more I suppose. Time may be running shorter than we may imagine…

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    steve kilbey | 9 November 2007 at 4:35 am #

    do what you can

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    Anonymous | 9 November 2007 at 7:35 am #

    i feel so guilty when i eat meat that i avoid this sk blog for days. i get these headaches if i dont eat a lot and eat meat. too poor for doctors, and veg diet, love yoga too but in shit hick usa smallville. prices of everything too much compared to wages from selling labor. no criticism of capitalism anymore everyone follow blindly even sk. what fucking world are you all living in? the golden rule? its fucking capitalism, and one must constanty be a liar to keep living in capialist society, or our pretty loves will surely eventially leave us for better providers. no one questions bush or the toxic chinese trying to poison kids, or the stupid cops, or boss’ fuck this cruel fucking world. poor animals and baby calfs and pigs are innocent victims but the powerful and rich are doing the same to us but no one stands up to power. why?

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    Anonymous at 12:28 | 10 November 2007 at 1:28 am #

    “Brien Comerford said…
    Vegans/Vegetarians for religious and spiritual reasons must be Pro-Life. The life of a fish is precious and so is the life of a human fetus. Carnivores are very effective at nailing vegetarians if the vegetarian is Pro-Abortion. We have to be consistent. If we are, our vegetarian arguement is irrefutable.”

    A BIG FUCKING +1. BUT KILBEY DOESN’T HAVE THE BALLS OR THE BRAINS TO MAKE THIS ARGUMENT, DESPITE HAVING 5 DAUGHTERS. IT MIGHT OFFEND SOME OF THE LIMP VEGETABLE MINIONS.

    AND YES, THE SHOUTING IS INTENTIONAL FUCKWITS. SAVE THE CHICKENS, KILL THE KIDS. GO FUCK YERSELF WITH A HAM SAMMICH.

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    Anonymous | 10 November 2007 at 1:42 am #

    anonymous @ 12:28pm….you’re not so bright are ya?….i mean really ….have you ever actually tried to fuck yourself with a ham sammich?…hmmmmmmmm…..

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    markobears | 10 November 2007 at 2:28 am #

    when someone makes a sacrifice from comfort to make someone or something more comfortable, it’s selflessness. It’s good. It’s the good side of the force….. I can feel your anger..

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    Anonymous | 11 November 2007 at 2:53 am #

    thank-you.a herb for the softening,and for the slowing. will be proudly brought to me by the colour green,and the number _..yes! the number!bring on ….the number.:-))


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