posted on May 9, 2006 at 8:30 pm

im gonna confess
im a little sad and beaten at the moment
my back has locked up
right between the shoulder blades
and im an agony ant
my back IS 2 beasts
hey i thought yoga wassa sposed to make me immune from this
its gone from a throbbing ache to stabbing pain
yeah yeah
im gonna see my acupuncturist tomorrow
thatll fix it fer sure
i know
acupuncture is amazing stuff
it can reach stuff that the other methods cant seem to touch
ya know
i mustnt complain too much
ive hadda relatively pain free life
except for a couple of things
like ten years on the olde gear
and my broken and rebroken arm
my back has occaisionally played up
but i know a few olde fellahs like me
who got it permanent
i remember one day when i was 18
my dad said to me
“you dont think that you’ll ever be 50 , do ya”
and you know what fiendss?
i really didnt
i thought i’d be 18 forever
i wouldnt fritter away the years like my dad
i wassa gonna be an eternal teenager!
if youre young
and youre not looking after yerself
may i humbly suggest that you start
cos a bad back
or a fucked knee
is gonna slow ya right down
take the wind right outta yer sails
one thing to avoid is the gear
do what you like
but dont get on the gear
it wont make you a romantic aesthete
itll make you a whining imbecile
it aint glamourous
it aint fun
it aint worth it
for me it was a jail sentence
10 years of hard misery
i lost my possessions
that was the easy part
but its like being possessed in itself
an evil spirit took up residence in my soul
and whispered its bile in my ears for ten years
forget all that lou reed and keef richards stuff
those guys had a lot more money than you or me
sooner or later
youll wind up in rehab
or jail
a coffin
i did the first 2
and i aint anxious to try the 3rd
and when i do
it aint gonna be smack that lays me out!
i hear a lotta bullshit about the gear
no one knows what the fuck its really all about
except us ex junkies
and all we can say is
dont fool with it!
the western govts headed by the u.s.a
have made this stuff some kind
of unmentionable evil horror
surrounded it in illegality and prisons
and in their typical fashion
made the whole thing a million times worse
than it had to be
ya see folks
once a ponna time
all drugs were legal
in 1870 you could enter anywhere ya liked
pockets full of dope
nobody fucking cared
then someone in the states in the early part of the 1900s
realised if ya made drugs illegal
you could disenfranchise the blacks and the poor
and get em back under the govts control
why are drugs illegal?
why is there a war on drugs?
because there so bad for ya?
cos heroin is such a killer?
ha ha
you buy that?
fiendss theres a billion things you can do
that are worse for ya than smack
and there all legal
war, for one
what if they made drugs legal
and war illegal
what if the word war
was met with the same horror
as the word narcotic?
they dont give a toss about ya
drugs are illegal to control ya
not to protect ya
ciga-fucking-rettes have killed more people this month
than smack has killed in its entire history
but ya can cop a pack of cigs anywhere
and frankly fiendss
i’d rather o.d.
than die of cancer or emphysema

just remember
the govt has not made drugs illegal to protect ya
if so
why is pot illegal
they even recently hadda huge inquiry into it in the states
the govt gives money to scientists
“please come up with somethin’ badde on pot”
they couldnt
the “anti-motivational” syndrome
yeah, like, um
i dont wanna die in yer fucking war
i dont wanna be a “straight” and have a “job”
any way these scientists come back and say
“although pot is bad for yer lungs
(any smoke is)
it appears it actually contains many anti-carcinogens
that actually have tumour deactivating properties

i bet all those guys lost their job!!
its all a fucking lie
the whole drugs thing
they dont want ya to change yer conciousness
unless with alcohol
cos thats what they use
and thatll keep ya nice n quiet n
(unless ya beating yer wife or getting in brawls)
and drinkers aint usually thinkers
but folks taking pot or hallucinogens
theyre a different kettle of flying fish
they dont buy that fucking war so easy
they dont believe in the 1950s and cold wars
and witch trials
and nuclear bombs and smart bombs
and collateral damage

the olde western alpha male style governments
were so concerned about the plight of the junky
they gave em methodone
oh whatta nice safe name
its got method in it
the govts helping us, right?
oh yeah
formerly adolphine
invented in germany in ww2 during a morphine shortage
now fiendss
i been on methodone too
and let me tell ya
i’d rather get over 100 heroin habits
than one methodone
if you wanna feel bloated empty and depressed
if you wanna be hooked forever
on a synthetic poison doled out by the govt
that ya can never ever stop
methodones yer drug
jims on heroin
its ok, now hes on a methodone “programme”
oh, thats good
hes making progress
god blees america and methodone
ha ha

if i tell ya to stay away from smack
stay away from methodone 100fold
itll make ya live a half life

now just think
all that crime
all that misery
all that suffering
that drugs cause
and most of it caused by its illegality
and punishment
it doesnt have to be like that
look at holland and switzerland
yeah yeah i know they had their problems
this is no easy thing we talk of here
like looking after the aged
or any other social issue
theres no easy fix
but treating drug takers as humans is a good start
why lock up junkies and potsmokers
what possible fucking goode can that do
fiendss the moment i was in jail in nyc
there were guys selling every drug under the sun
making connections
consolidating their “criminality”
how can guns be legal and drugs illegal
would ya rather a drug user
or a gun enthusiast move in next door
do guns kill more people than drugs?
are guns more dangerous than drugs?
theyve somehow brainwashed ya into thinking
that drugs are “un-american”
but guns are yer birthright
ya know gw bush was a coke fiend
even possibly a dealer
oh but thats ok
hes now born again
the man who leads the free world
is a certified drunk driving
coke snorting
draft dodging
cowardly s.o.b.
who says his most proud moment of the last 6 years
was catching a big perch in his own lake
yet he is the 1st thing ya see
when ya arrive in la
and they start searching ya fer drugs
now that i gotta little record
they always take me apart
treat me like a fucking crim
when the guy whos a 1000 times worse than me
looks down from the wallk with his idiot half grin

but no one can even attempt the legalisation of drugs
such is the mc carthyesque hysteria surrounding the subject
the a.c.t. was gonna have a trial heroin programme
instead of methodone
they were gonna give a small number of addicts heroin
just to see….
just in case…..
like i switzerland where they find that
people given the gear in clinics
stop stealing pawning etc
and return into society
and manage their lives
surprise surprise!
but when australia had the gall to try this plan
on a small scale within its own borders
the u.s. objected
theyd do this n that
they wouldnt buy our morphine…
why should they fucking care
if some canberran junkies got some govt smack?
why indeed?
cos its so badde for ya?
cos the stuff is inherently evil?
so they could maintain their hegemony?

heroin is a bad deal
we all agree on that
you aint ever been thru anything like a major narcotics detox
or have ya
you wont believe that life can be so hellish
and yes
it was all my own fault
i aint asking for any sympathy here
but the current treatment of addicts
and the western attitude to drugs is a farce
i remember in sweden in the paper one day
i saw a guy who murdered a kid get less time in jail
than an exstacy importer
whod ya rather have next door fiendss
an ex dealer or a kid murderer?

i know im reducing it to simplistic terms

just dont believe everything they tell ya
question their motives
and ok heroin is nasty stuff
but why the fuck is pot illegal
they try to tell ya its intrinsically evil
like god would put a “bad” plant on this earth
but did ya know
that there is a receptor in yer brain
that will forever remain inactive
unlessit encounters thc
now thats gotta mean something
we were meant to smoke the herb
maybe not as much as i do
but its part of being a human
its a potential you can explore if you want to
what you do with yer brain is your business
no body should be able to boss ya round
if ya feel the need to alter yer consciousness

they got ya fooled
theyre manipulating ya
take their drugs
we know that fucks ya
we know that fucks ya
we know that fucks ya
sleeping pills
we know that fucks ya
hmmm pot, acid, mushrooms, hmm
we cant seem to see what they do….
maybe theyre bad for ya
but we aint found any hard proof yet…
ok THOSE substances should be illegal
for yer own goode
the nice olde govt is protecting ya from yerself
thanks guys
now im drug free
i can go to iraq
and be a useful cog in yer machinery
gulf war syndrome…
no problems
we got some goode govt drugs for that
(fiendss, the other day i met a little boy
covered in eczema, 3 years old,
diagnosed as inherited from his grandfathers
(an australian soldier in vietnams)
exposure to agent fucking orange
horray for the goode guys
hooray for l b j and bob menzies)
yes the sins of the grandfathers are visited
on the children
you trust these mo fos, fiendss?
you believe anything they tell ya?
you wanna tell that little suppurating oozing scratching kid
about the fucking domino theory
and communists and caterpillars?
surely smokin dope is the least of any ones worries
this world is a joke
we are the punchline

a war on drugs?
as will self said
you might as well have a war on tables

grantley, im still missin’ ya
when will this stop?

86 Responses to “daughter door sails man”

  1. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 May 2006 at 10:38 pm #

    hope you fix your back
    and you’re back to pain free living.

    and the whole deal with drugs is basically to keep the people comatosed and down.

    look at how african americans over the last 20-30 years moved in and became middle class america. so what does the cia and the government whizkids come up with?
    crack cocaine: so that the poor african americans can fuck themselves up again, get stuck in the ghetto, kill each other, kill themselves while a couple of the head honcho dealers get majorly rich while they’re living in the ghetto and become role models to the young ones, and thereby setting up another vicious cycle where the wrong type of role models become more important than listening to your parents who tell you the only way out of the ghetto is to get an education.

  2. avatar
    captainmission | 9 May 2006 at 11:05 pm #

    War On Drugs…’Just Say KNOW.’

    look after yr back man, the surf will help,

  3. avatar
    the zep tepi | 9 May 2006 at 11:18 pm #

    nice tirade against the war on drugs.

    an ex-friend of mine managed to develop himself a smack habit.
    he ended up ripping off me, my ex-girlfriend, and several of my friends.
    he lies, steals and cheats people everywhere his insidious trail has been.
    i’ve got nothing against hard-core drug users. i, like everybody else use drugs too.
    like you say using switzerland as tangible evidence, maybe if the govt were to repeal their draconian drug laws and made drugs available in clinics etc, this guy would not have burnt me or so many other people.

  4. avatar
    the dean | 9 May 2006 at 11:26 pm #

    We’re all hurting still.
    That song Finding You “…not in a dream but in a song…”
    the change up magic happens
    “.. but when the lightning finds us , burns away our kindness…”
    so sad, so hopeful, he’s still with us.

  5. avatar
    youamwho | 9 May 2006 at 11:36 pm #

    ye are the GODDE OF BLOGGE …how in fuck’s name do you do it, every day a gem, mate!

    hope all levels of pain level off soon enough, Steve.


  6. avatar
    RA | 9 May 2006 at 11:43 pm #

    I agree with every word on drugs..

    Will Self.. i got a great little poem by him called “There Ain’t No Reggae On Orkney” Top bloke.

    I got a big hug for you in Dublin and/or London.



  7. avatar
    12str | 10 May 2006 at 12:28 am #

    fuckin´yeah SK!
    pot makes your mind go exploring other possibilities….
    what is use? what is abuse?
    got busted once and talked to the undercover cop about comparing pot to alcohol and he just said that it didnt matter “one is legal the other illegal and you choosed the wrong one sucker!”
    i wasnt carrying any at the time but they found my pipe in my flat and busted me for that and some minor incident with my urine sample!
    i work in a bar and ive seen the damage alcohol do to people over the years…. so much tragedy,so much waste of human intelect and morals. hey ive been smoking pot with flipped out afganisthan war vets in st petersburg,feeling cool playing a strange duet with harmonica and flute…been smoking pot with huge bikers,jamaican sailors,rockstars in hotelsuites,feeling at ease with the situation.
    been drinking with my nextdoor neighbour….. getting scared!
    ive seen alcohol sucking down people i care about.
    one is legal the other is illegal and he said i choosed the wrong one!
    its a crazee world out there man!

    take care everyone..


  8. avatar
    12str | 10 May 2006 at 12:35 am #

    forgot to say…..
    been reading about yer european tour…
    we really miss u in sweden u know maan!!!!


  9. avatar
    John Garratt | 10 May 2006 at 12:42 am #

    “a war on drugs?
    as will self said
    you might as well have a war on tables”

    You have mastered the art of preaching to the choir, man.

    Can I keep my sleeping pills?

  10. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 12:44 am #


    whod ya rather have next door fiendss
    an ex dealer or a kid murderer?

    i’d be moving house

  11. avatar
    Queen Hatshepsut | 10 May 2006 at 12:55 am #

    Hey SK! It’s panem et circenses again! (aka bread and circuses)Juvenal said of Rome: a population so distracted with entertainment and personal pleasures (sometimes by design of those in power) that they no longer value the civic virtues and bow to civil authority with unquestioned obedience.
    Sound familiar? You are preachin’to the choir SK, no?

    So Steven – Ya had soooo many glowing things to say about GW! Only my odd love of freely moving about, career, family and friends keeps me from publicly stating exactly what I’d like to say about him and a few choice others in the evil empire. It’s votin’ day here in the Wild Wild West but I’ve given up that bad habit for the Time Being. (Don’tcha all slam me now and tell me I’m unpatriotic fer not votin’ – it’s my first time givin’ the ballot the proverbial finger. When they put something on the ballot that I believe in, that makes sense and isn’t fucked around with by the Courts, then I’ll go back.)

    Ok SK -I really hope your back feels better soon. Good thoughts and healing energy to you. Rough week. : (


  12. avatar
    CAPTAIN BEYOND | 10 May 2006 at 1:02 am #

    i read your blog, the names were switched, i totally agree esskay, i voted for Clinton and Gore cos they have smoked pot, i will vote for Hillary if she decides to run as well, the bush family is part of the free masons “network”, they feel the need to control every lil’
    @#$%&! thing we do as americans, me hope you are still with me and me Ne iko, i would hate for all of us to miss out on this GODSEND…

  13. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 1:06 am #


    Great G*d D*mn blog Kilbey…..

    I will miss ya Grant…..

    Brian Turner
    Atlanta, Ga….

  14. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 1:14 am #

    Talking about TV … I switched it on the other nite for the first time in a week & saw an interview with Bryce Courtenay ( I thought here we go, an author that started in advertising hmmm) & the interviewer asked him what he strived for these days.
    He said he was searching for values that transcend money, power & control because never has there been a stage in this world where there has been more control than now.
    I thought , not a bad bit of TV , that.
    I’ve been listening to Triple J a bit in the hope I might hear ULTC getting a bit of a spin but….nothing
    Maybe you could share with your dear readers if there is any momemtum in this regard anywhere as I’m sure most of us care.

    Dutch Pierre

  15. avatar
    verdelay | 10 May 2006 at 1:27 am #

    I tried some pot once.

    It’s been a very interesting 20 years.


  16. avatar
    anonymous bosch | 10 May 2006 at 1:45 am #

    re>>>>>we were meant to smoke the herb… maybe not as much as i do>>>>>

    that made me laugh out loud!! – in a good way.

    having always preferred booze, i have never really gotten into the weed that much, however i enjoyed your bloggy today and i happen to agree with your points. thanks for the personal insights and candidness too. you are a good man sk.

    -on a different subject, not that i have any clue about your schedule this week, however i think you should attend your pal’s funeral up the coast on friday. nothing bad can come from going.

    goodbye from the usa

    p.s. random thought – ploogy has a great name for a bloggy. ploogblog!

  17. avatar
    Krissythegroupie | 10 May 2006 at 2:58 am #

    Sheesh, after that..I need a drink. I won’t be 23 forever?! Crap.

  18. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 3:36 am #

    after smoking pot for 10 years straight i stopped 4 years ago

    for a job i guess

    i noticed that my drinky of the alkee-hall (especially the wicky)
    and smokin of the ciggies all shot up (turnin’ me into a right cunt)_

    well i have come back to the fold
    and the consumption of the other baddies have all decreased

    this is just me mind you

    i feel much happier

    a whiskey hangover makes this little glynnis one paranoid cat
    i can live without that

    great blogge today

    all the best

  19. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 3:43 am #

    mmm…drugs…no logic involved.
    just though id mention that i was driving along last night listening to the local radio station and your blog was mentioned, alonside a few tracks by gmclennan. if you’re reading this Hadley, as it seems you do, good on ya for talking about this and mentioning sk and playing the good music you play. makes driving home in traffic that much more bearable. now, hows about playing some ULTC?

  20. avatar
    persephone2u | 10 May 2006 at 4:02 am #

    Never understood why if godawful and foul-smelling cigarettes are legal, pot and other drugs aren’t? Surely the governments could make a killing on taxing this stuff. What’s stopping them? Oh yeah, the pharma companies wouldn’t like it at all…

  21. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 4:13 am #

    sk, you shouldnt sit at the keys for so long with a sore back dude. hey, look after yourself. all the rock deities are slowly going. it wont be much fun anymore when we have to grow up cos no-one from our youth will be left anymore. so, since we have the opportunity to say it while yer’ still around, we love ya and we want ya to stick around a while hey.

    im sad that there wont be anymore gobbies album, no new gb gems to enter our loungerooms.


  22. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 4:24 am #

    I would never mind having gun enthusiast next door. Yes, SERIOUSLY. Guns, like drugs are entangled in a propaganda war. SOME bad people do drugs, SOME bad people use guns. Yet whether or not guns or drugs are legal or illegal never deters bad people from doing bad things. You can outlaw assault rifles. Guess what? Bad people still get them and use them. Like drugs, the government is constantly trying to ban guns. The only reason they can’t is it IS a birthright here.

    Steve, I’m a big fan of yours but I’m need to set you straight on this gun issue propaganda. Guns ARE a birthright anywhere a free society expects to flourish, and especially in the U.S. where to country was founded in foresight on the principles of private gun ownership, and not just ownership, but the right to bear arms, which is Unconstitutionally infringed in most localities in the States. There is a reason Americans have an arrogant pride. It comes from the founding of the U.S. as a country. Granted the U.S. is not the greatest nation on earth in the current conditions, and the typical American “patriot” is a beer guzzling, football loving, war mongerer. But the U.S. was the greatest government as established. It is now perverted.

    The real patriots, not the Toby Keith type, are embroiled in a battle from within the country. Subversives have taken control of both parties of government. The war is for world government. It’s happening in Britain and Australia too, or maybe you don’t choose to realize it yet. The police state, high tech surveillance society has arrived. Give up you liberty for security. Carry a National ID, and you vill hand over de papers pleeze. (Whoever said they are proud of voting for Clinton/Democrats – blah blah blah, Clinton is part of the same Fabian Socialists as the Bush family. Kerry and Bush were brother Bonesman. As a matter of fact Bill Clinton is now a surrogate member of the Bush family. Watch him parade around with George Sr. If you have fallen into the fake left/right paradigm and believe 911 was carried out by 20 men in a cave, then you will get all the collectivism that is coming.) But I digress.

    Steve, I don’t know how much you know about the founding of the U.S. It is better than almost any poetry I’ve ever read. As much as I consider you a genius of lyric/art/music, and without intending to offend you – your genius is a candle to the inferno of the founders of the U.S. They were Geniuses on par with DaVinci. They also lived in drastically different times. So perhaps they may have channeled their talents into art forms had they not the necessity to survive against all odds. Instead they composed the most sophisticated Libertarian free society ever conceived, a Constitutional Republic. One which would have had the Greeks pining for the future. The founders of the U.S. were oppressed by a monarchy, a most totalitarian regime. They were mostly English Colonists and had few, if any, rights to property ownership, free speech, freedom of religion, etc. All of the ideals we take for granted today were scarce or nonexistent. So they got together and said fuck the government. We the people are the government and we shall govern ourselves. Without boring you with the minutia, suffice to say that the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights were the works of genius. One can only imagine the context in which they were written – “But sirs, how shall we prevent having a new king merely renamed president?” Check. Ah, the balance of power. “How shall we govern ourselves?” Check. “What shall happen if we wish to assemble and speak our mind?” Check. “What if any of us is falsely accused of crime?” Check. “What happens when the government tries to oppress its people?” Check. Double Check. Ah, the dreaded Amendment #2. The bane of all the so-called “progressive” minded collectivists. The Second Amendment. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” The only reason it is not Amendment #1 is because freedom of religion and speech are ever so slightly more important. After all, if one cannot expect to speak his mind, how could one expect to defend himself against a corrupt government. Yes, this one was written for the preservation of life and the preservation of freedom. Nowadays people just don’t get it. Guns kill, blah, blah. And it’s a good thing they do.

    Hitler, Mao, and Stalin. Other than being the three most heinous serial murderers in history, they shared an eerie similarity. Shortly after taking power they all banned private ownership of guns, (and curiously, cigarettes too). Only the Reich shall own guns. Imagine the outcome had there been an armed Jewish population in Germany. Of the few Jews who survived and managed to combat the Nazis, there are several accounts of their sole regret – that they could not procure automatic weapons.

    Fast forward to 2006. Government sponsored terror attacks. Governement spying on it’s own citizens. Wars of false pretenses. Neverending wars. DNA databases in the UK. 8 fucking million face recognition cameras on the streets of your town. “Free” speech zones. Crimes of manners, crimes of hate speech, National ID papers, satellite tracker boxes for vehicles, RFID under the skin, “internment” camps, fiat currency, black box voting, on and on and on. Hubris. Hubris. Look it up in a dictionary. Look it up in the mirror. As you say “it can’t happen in my lifetime.”

    I would feel most safe if ALL of my neighbors in the U.S. were gun enthusiasts. You have got it all wrong about guns and gun owners, and while you may just write me off as another nutbag who is clearly impassioned about guns (and I know passion and guns are just too dangerous to mention), consider that compared to me most people are just sleep walking around you. They never consider that their own government may have carried out terror attacks to have pretense to blame enemies. Hitler did as such by burning the Reichstag. Consider that the sleepwalkers are your neighbors, and co-workers, and maybe even loyal fiendds who can’t comprehend why I would berate you on this point. They read “SK says guns are bad, so I must beleieve it too.” All good progressivists believe it.

    Thanks for listening. My next diatribe, if welcomed will be on the finer points of why left / right doesn’t make sense. How many people tell you they are anti Statist or anti collectivists? I will tell as much as you want to hear. I love you too. Please keep blogging. As for you other points – SPOT ON!

  23. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 4:31 am #

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    lily | 10 May 2006 at 5:43 am #

    Very interesting blog today. I personally have never tried drugs. A choice made, in part, by the fact that one of my parents had a substance abuse problem that basically ruined their life (and ended it early) and tore our family apart. I’m not saying everyone’s drug use leads to such things, but it does happen. On a lighter note, God does put bad plants on earth. What about poison ivy and such? 😉

  25. avatar
    lily | 10 May 2006 at 5:44 am #

    P.S. – SK, hope your back feels better!

  26. avatar
    si-kli | 10 May 2006 at 6:16 am #

    If it don’t grow,
    I don’t want to know

  27. avatar
    Centuryhouse | 10 May 2006 at 6:32 am #

    Haha, your blog is always interesting.

    I’m in the US. Doing away with drug prohibition would be a great thing, I believe. Why not punish criminal behavior instead of create it?

    The government wasn’t established to guide us, protect us or control us. We’re supposed to be the boss, not little children who need direction.

    I strongly and completely disagree with you on the gun issue – not because I was raised around them, because I wasn’t. I was raised by two pacifist parents and carry that philosophy myself to a point.

    As regards guns, the fact is that bad people will always have them. Taking them from law abiding people and leaving them only in the hands of criminals (and corrupt governments) wont change that.

    Good people can either facilitate evil by keeping themselves powerless to stop it and abdicating their responsibility to stand against it, or not. I’m in the latter group.

    Being disarmed enables violent crime of all sorts where we live, and outright genocide in other places.

    If you are ever in the area again you have an open invite to go to a gun range with me. I know, it’s repugnant to your philosphy and it’s a challenge you wont take. But the offer is there, and at least you would know first hand what you are talking about when you decry an inanimate object or down decent people like me who own them.

    Despite what this comment will make you think of me, I respect your position.

    Daniel W.

  28. avatar
    Wil-O | 10 May 2006 at 6:39 am #

    hey Kil-O

    If you need anything in BrisVegas on Friday, yell out. I have the day off so the taxi is available.


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    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 6:58 am #

    c’mon steve, what you said about pot isn’t actually true.

    i look around at my friends that have been long pot smokers and more than a fair share of them are afflicted with more than just not wanting to be bothered to fight in other people’s wars…there *is* a link with mental psychosis and pot smoking. People don’t believe that pot smoking is addictive but it is and it can induce schizo behavior…believe me, I’ve seen it and if you are honest I’m sure you’ve seen it as well.

    Also, a kiddie killer or an ex pusher? mmm…they are the same actually – we all tried drugs in our youth. You HONESTLY think selling soft drugs to early teenagers which leads them on to heavier drugs isn’t the same thing as being a kiddie killer? think again my friend.

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    timetunnel | 10 May 2006 at 8:23 am #

    Steve, I agree entirely. Lately I read a newspaper article about serveral German celebs that have been caught using cocaine, and guess what, the guys who are artists (living rather “off the grid”) got a suspended sentence to prison of several years, whereas “straight” guys like politicians only had to pay a little fine. Same deed, different punishment.


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    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 8:43 am #


    all the best with your back I have a similar problem (lower back)regular doctors etc did nothing but was able to find a good chiropractor to keep me up and running. Just usual monthly treatments more when bad, not sure what the hell they do but it works. Really love the new cd look forward to a tour announcement and a trip to Atlanta I would imagine.Take Care

    Steve in FLorida

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    Queen Hatshepsut | 10 May 2006 at 8:46 am #

    As I’m about to turn in for the night I see the blog o’ the day has really stirred up some passionate opinions. What I love about you guys is the manner in which everyone manages to articulate their own views and opinions with respect. Agree to disagree. It’s bad enough I posted once, forgive me Father Kilbey, I’m about to sin egregiously and post again…

    Steve, I thought about asking you a question in my last post and I chickened out. You said something to the effect that only a junkie could understand or know what it felt like to be a junkie/to come clean/to know what kind of hell it was. Is it a crass generalization for me to ask you if you think this way of a lot of these issues? Maybe we don’t know coming off smack, but maybe we know our own stories.

    For example: I never took a street drug, save for smoking pot a few times. Yet I watched my father fall down a nightmarish rabbit hole of 15 agonizingly long years of severe back pain, surgeries, lost hopes, dreams, liquor, pills, a broken heart and come out the other end with a bullet in his head from a .357; do I know what drugs do to people?

    Pain and drugs. Haven’t been as lucky as you with pain. I’m 26. I get sick. Very long story short. I’m 39 now; I’ve been in chronic pain for 12 1/2 years. The first ten years I rode it out on OTC meds. Aspirin, etc. Wasn’t going down the abyss my dad went down (family curse or something?). Two years ago, decided I was going to not see 40 if something didn’t happen. So I’m on meds that are actually used for other things but happen to control pain too. I still won’t take straight painkillers; addiction factor too high. Am I the government’s bitch? I hate big pharma with a white hot passion that’s for sure. THAT’S who’s fucking this country over. Little old ladies who have to choose whether they want to eat this month or take their meds. So while I agree with your rant about illegal drugs, you gotta see that we all got our own stories here about soooooooooooo many issues.

    Centuryhouse makes a good point – and I’m no fan of guns either. When I was 9 years old I was held at gunpoint in a house; told I’d be killed. My father had a collection of firearms that disgusted me; the only time he ever shot one of them was to take his own life. Still, when a friend became a cop, I went to the shooting range with her. I felt the power of a 9mm in my hand. I stood there for 5 minutes afraid of the blowback. You truly experience the amazing and frightening power of a gun once it’s actually in your hand and you shoot it. I realized I was standing in an open shooting range with a bunch of strangers with loaded guns -talk about trust – or stupidity. Should two disturbed nutjobs at Columbine have had the guns they had? Of course not. How do we turn back the clock? We can’t. I personally won’t have a gun in my house. But for a law-abiding citizen – if they want one, registered, legal, kept in a safe place, locked and away from a child…that is their business. I believe we should have the right to defend ourselves. Maybe you should try it out once. What the hell. That’s probably from having US History drilled into me.

    I think I’m just tryin’ to say everybody’s got their own views, opinions, realities, and that’s cool. And nobody wants to live next to a gun nut. A friend of mine did and said nut shot a hole right through her wall. When her husband screamed “Hit the floor!” that was it. They moved.

    Needless to say nothing you write is ever boring SK. And for me, it’s usually spot-on.

  33. avatar
    Sleepycat | 10 May 2006 at 9:01 am #

    Extremely well said Mr Kilbey – and I say this as a non-user of all the illegal substances in question, but a person who is very familiar with the debate and has friends who work in drug rehab/policing and related fields.

  34. avatar
    Daberhasher | 10 May 2006 at 10:22 am #

    that was a two bowl blog!!!

    that plant WILL change the world, not in this lifetime mind you, but when we’ve raped and exhausted all other resources, it will still be there giving food, fiber, fuel AND the funk… for free baybee!!!
    itsa ship of fools we’re sailing with it seems…


  35. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 10:24 am #

    you’re grieving. so, by all means, YES, go to grant’s funeral, steve. it will help heal your soul.

  36. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 10:28 am #

    It is so interesting to see the US audience pipe up on the guns issue….it makes me really appreciate Australia and its culture that has rejected the violence of guns. I have a little boy (4) and he is allowed all toys except guns…”Guns are dangerous darling. They can really hurt people and they even kill them”, we told him when he used to ask to have a gun. He now knows to not ask for them and now tells US (no pun intended) that “guns are dangerous”.

    A couple of years ago, I was walking with him (then 2) into the supermarket, when a boy (aged about 9), ignored by his mother who was busy exchanging holiday plans with another mother, pointed a toy gun at my son and mouthed “bang”. The shock was incredible and I still live with that image….

    and just to think that the world’s most powerful country accepts and lives with images of REAL guns!

    Incidentally, I have a brother and sister I have lost to “benign” pot. My sister has smoked it for 15 years – she has not been able to sustain a meaningful relationship, job, hobby or grow in this time – she is now on a concoction of pharmaceutical drugs to prevent psychotic episodes. I love her and cannot do anything to maintain a close relationship with her – it makes me really sad. My brother is the same, although he has been smoking pot for 22 years. I lost him a long time ago.

    Please don’t preach that pot is an okay drug. It’s not – it has taken all the potential and hope out of people I love.

  37. avatar
    12str | 10 May 2006 at 10:44 am #

    guns is a birthright!! the us is a nasty country! dont wanna go into politics but that really sucks!!get a grip on yourselves americanos and clean up your act!!

    world domination!


  38. avatar
    Daniel 26, 10 | 10 May 2006 at 11:06 am #

    Stay away from drugs! I mean, if you want to use them, do so. I won’t mind. But please don’t write about them again. I’m getting bored…

  39. avatar
    timetunnel | 10 May 2006 at 11:16 am #

    Just stumbled upon this current story which show how ridiculous the governments and laws are when it comes to the oh so tremendously dangerous hemp:
    A farmer in Switzerland fed hemp to his pigs and chicken and let them sleep on hemp litter. Now he got penalized and has to pay a fine of 500 Franken (approx. 305 Euro / 375 $US). The reasons the farmer used hemp: the animals were more healthy, more piglets survived after birth, their fertility was increased.

    At least he wasn’t sent to jail. There are lots of similar stories out there which show the stupidity of the hemp ban.


  40. avatar
    rehan | 10 May 2006 at 12:05 pm #

    Hope you recover from your back problem fast. Love Rehan

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    carousel | 10 May 2006 at 12:15 pm #

    i never believed you were on “the gear” sk
    malicious gossip i deduced
    psychedelics yes
    “H” no never
    not steve kilbey
    that’s not what he’s on about i’d say
    such was my unwavering faith
    oh well
    i did an ostrich on that one
    glad you’re off it

    poor health can slow you down
    but being forced to slowing down
    detaches you from the competition of life
    teaches you to see it’s detail
    and brings you to question
    it isn’t all bad
    not that i’d wish it on anyone
    but it can help bend your perception too
    the lotus flower grows in the mud
    always loved that analogy

  42. avatar
    Invisivoman | 10 May 2006 at 1:05 pm #

    A little friendly advice– Freeze a flattened out diaper (another use for those extras that’ve been grown outta) it’s alot more comfy than chunks o’ice —Randolph Hurst–Eddie Doheney–Lilly–back in the early 20’s they, and a select few ultrariche-got together & decided that hemp was a threat to their personal wallets–THEY were the ones responsible for kronica illeaglealia!! speedy recovery!!!–& well wishes

  43. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 1:07 pm #

    To my libertarian american friends: your guns are not going to save you from a facist state: They will always have more of them than you do. Direct paramilitary confrontation with a state oppressor usually leads to the deaths of the leaders of the revolution, the deaths of many innocents, and valuable pro-fascist propaganda.

    There are smarter ways to resist. Start now.

  44. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 1:28 pm #

    “but did ya know
    that there is a receptor in yer brain
    that will forever remain inactive
    unlessit encounters thc
    now thats gotta mean something
    we were meant to smoke the herb
    maybe not as much as i do”

    You crack me up man, LOL…..

    I do agree with most of what you’ve said, and I also think you and Neil Young should get together, smoke a little herb and put together an album….Now that would be cool.


  45. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 1:33 pm #


    One more thing, there is a nasty little epidemic going on in the U.S. right now called Meth, as a parent, this does scare the crap out of me. I’ve seen the results of this nasty shit. It’s everywhere.


  46. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 1:36 pm #

    Here in Montana we have a severe Meth problem. This “Not Even Once” campaign is being headed up not by the governement, but a Billionaire named Tom Seible. Innerestin stuff.


  47. avatar
    Brad | 10 May 2006 at 1:41 pm #

    Worked for a guy that was a genuine ’60’s hippie, helped do the lights at woodstock, no joke. He always said that Vietnam was really mostly about the USA keeping control of heroin profits. I thought that was a bit over the top for a long time.

    Saw a blip on the news before they went back to the “missing blonde-of-the-year of-the-week” coverage. – US soldiers re-open and guard poppie fields in Afghanistan – once Illegal under Taliban rule.

    See book – “39 Days” about the current US admin. Rummy and Cheney been setting this up since Nixon, no accident. Cold War fear via Reagan as talking head was practice for WMD fear via Bush-head.

    I could go on and on, great blog today.


  48. avatar
    Brad | 10 May 2006 at 2:07 pm #

    Wow – great comments too! I posted, then read all the comments, and feel a second wave:

    Guns – I’m an “American” and I feel guns are all bad. The problem is there are just so many of them here. If they became illegal then it’s just true – only criminals would have guns.

    I wish there were no guns at all. I wish they would all disappear. That won’t happen. Sudden laws won’t work. I don’t know that there’s a solution to that problem. There is never glamour courage or style to having, holding, or shooting a gun, ever in any way. Guns as a hobbie?! That’s an idiot. Hollywood got your hedz on that one.


  49. avatar
    nickp | 10 May 2006 at 2:17 pm #


    When you come to London I’m gonna make a point of telling you and the guys how much your music means to me, because I wish I’d done the same the last time I was privileged enough to be in the same room as Grant.

    nick p

  50. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 2:51 pm #

    ADDICTION-dis-ease,many maninfestations,-final conflict -within-not knowing difference-“surpassing all understanding.“

  51. avatar
    Joe Burns | 10 May 2006 at 3:20 pm #

    Amen Brother!

    Do you know I had trouble at my local garden shop last week because I wanted to buy some seeds to plant morning glories in my garden? They keep the morning glory seeds behind the counter hidden in a drawer! They told me they have too much trouble with kids coming in trying to buy them to get high… (!)

    I don’t know which appalled me more – that I now look so “straight” that they would sell me dangerous morning glory seeds without thinking I would “get high”, or that it’s so hard for the kids to score some dope that they will chew seeds that will make them puke before they can get off…


  52. avatar
    CSTCoach | 10 May 2006 at 4:05 pm #


    This really stayed with me from yesterday:

    “if there is someone in yer life like that
    let em know”

    Been thinkin since then that even you and the choich won’t be around forever. You’ve been a huge influence on my work and life. Look for mail in a couple weeks, c/o KH. And thanks man, for keepin on.

    Thanks too for the insights into the Jack Frost songs. Beautiful stuff. I always liked the lyrics to Jack Frost Blues. Cool song. And Even As We Speak is one of the most beautiful songs I’ve ever heard, right up there with Civil War Lament (and All I Know).

    Sorry to hear about your back. It’s a terrible thing, really grinds ya down. I had a couple awful back injuries that sidelined me for a couple years, and nagged for several more. Completely whipped it with some brilliant exercises. If you’re into that sorta thing drop me a line and I’d be glad to point ya in the right direction (don’t want to pollute this fine blogspace with unwanted ads and links!).

    i’m sorry for your sadness and loneliness. it’s an awful ache. doesn’t go away, in my experience, but you can learn to live with it.

    feel better soon, bro.


  53. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 4:15 pm #

    you sound like Bill Hicks

  54. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 4:47 pm #

    “To my libertarian american friends: your guns are not going to save you from a facist state: They will always have more of them than you do. Direct paramilitary confrontation with a state oppressor usually leads to the deaths of the leaders of the revolution, the deaths of many innocents, and valuable pro-fascist propaganda.

    There are smarter ways to resist. Start now.”

    Actually you’re wrong. Why is it that the greatest military on earth is currently being defeated by relatively small factions of armed civilians in Iraq? An oppressor government can never succeed against a well armed population. Iraq isn’t even well armed. Whereas the opposite is unarguably true – an unarmed population is easily slaughtered by the millions by facist states. I don’t need to give you a history lesson for you to understand that.

    Do you notice that the VERY first thing the federal gov’t did in the States after Hurricane Katrina was kick in doors and try to grab guns? No they didn’t deliver food, they didn’t secure evacuation, they didn’t try to return basic utilities like water and electricity, they went on an illegal gun grabbing mission. A federal judge finally stepped in and threatened arrest of any FEMA agent trying to take another gun. The law stands. The Constitution and Bill of Rights stand. Guns will stay here. But what’s scary is that the facist state exists – it isn’t a theory, it’s here and in OZ and in the UK.

    Ask the any living Jew from the WWII era if they believe an unarmed population is better off and “smarter” for not having guns.

  55. avatar
    Wishcure | 10 May 2006 at 4:48 pm #

    I love this blog and your music…so…take care of your back…we want you healthy and sane…

    Anyway, about legal and illegal stuff…cars also kill people…and they are not forbidden…there are a lot of stupid things in this world…

    Still I hope to see Church live in Madrid, what about playing in Barcelona?

    Thanx for your great music…

    Jose, uninvited, like the clouds…

  56. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 5:00 pm #

    I agree with the other guy that grass can cause psychosis and schizophrenia. Some people shouldn’t touch the stuff. The psychiatric institutions are full of people who thought taking drugs or just smoking grass was cool. Some have been sitting in these places since the early 70s. The question of whether governments should be able to stop you smoking it is another issue. I don’t trust governments, right or left. They’ll team up soon and shaft us all, the manipulative lying parasites. Cheers, Leon.

  57. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 5:27 pm #

    Anyone see these grass stories? Of course we always knew this was true.

  58. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 5:59 pm #

    Anonymous said: “An oppressor government can never succeed against a well armed population. Iraq isn’t even well armed.”

    Very true. You would be shocked – pissing your pants and shivering in your beatle boots – to know how well stocked on guns & ammo our law abiding and low key gun owners are.

    They are better shooters than the average law enforcement or military member, have a number of effective guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

    I’m not talking about the extremeist, but the average hard working, moderate, law abiding members of society – both men and women. These are people who have clean criminal records and obey the law better than your average pot smoking dope head who is living their life in a stupor of drugged out unreality.

    They have seen the gun grabs in UK, Canada and AUS and have seen the drastically increasing crime rates since those laws were imposed. Meanwhile our violent crime rates in the US are falling where people are allowed to carry guns.

    The scary thing is that you, SK, trust those big bad governments with guns more than you trust THE PEOPLE. You rail against those governments and how evil they are, but then have the hypocracy to say they should be the only ones holding the guns? Foolish.

    You quote history and insert names like Nebuchadnesar and Cassandra into your songs, but seem so sorely lacking in historical insight when it comes to the protection of rights vs oppression of people. As long as your foolishness and rose colored glasses don’t endanger my life, fine.

    I love your music, but wonder about your ability to understand the real world and the nature of people and power.

    All of that said, I still wish you the best.
    “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.”
    Gandhi, An Autobiography, page 446 (Beacon Press paperback edition)

  59. avatar
    CeciliaGin | 10 May 2006 at 7:34 pm #

    We’ve passed a gun ban in San Francisco.
    No one has turned in their guns yet.
    No one has turned in their pot plants either, so I guess we’re even.

    For off topic distraction, go have a look at my bloggie for a picture of the “gentleman and scallop” himself, MWP.

  60. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 8:43 pm #

    I gotta nickname for yu
    I call it weakness
    Guns and drugs n fiends n the streets
    on remote islands of power and conscience
    herbs, puppet strings, mandolins, moderation
    how else can you see
    to know and be tranquility..
    so who is your foe?
    swimming deep in the ocean of bullets..
    illusions of power and balance
    as if Gandhi ever ever said
    what delusions, creatures trapped in their senses and flesh
    barely scratching the surface of real power,

    Oh yes, the swines have their logic and rationale for their aim
    they see our worlds through scopes on rifles
    and they fear everyone..
    Sorry America, afraid of your own demons,
    the native forces of slaughter return their curses
    so civilized in beady-eyed xenophobia
    I dont want to be like yu
    american life is an affliction
    if your shoe fits and you’re safetys off
    then know that I have the peace of your puzzle..

    Sweet Realization, Sweet Renunciation
    Knowledge of self = heaven in disguise
    Yogic dimensions will permeate the ether
    send us to ourselves
    deliver us into being
    you’ll see the lines blurr out
    and life flows on within you and without you
    fight war not wars..
    bless us all..

    Jaime Rodriguez

  61. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 9:13 pm #

    I am a proud US citizen and the premise of private gun ownership absolutely disgusts me.

    I apologize to the rest of the world for the faction of US people who think they are better than everybody else.

    Please don’t hate us. Some of us are very nice people who don’t do drugs and don’t shoot guns.

  62. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 9:16 pm #

    “They are better shooters than the average law enforcement or military member, have a number of effective guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition.”

    Good point! I made the initial pro-gun reply, but failed to mention this fact. In the 1970’s, the DOD conducted a study on the probability of success of a land invasion into the U.S. by a foreign army. It was concluded that the Chinese army, the largest standing army in the world, would not make it inland more than 1 mile at any point of invasion, the conclusion based on the number of private firearms and use of those arms in defense. This sheds quite a bit of light on how probabale it is for the American public to resist a facist uprising and why federal gun grabs are always on the agenda, i.e. FEMA after Katrina. The facists know quite well they can’t herd America in the world union/new world order until she is disarmed.

    ‘ “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.”
    Gandhi, An Autobiography, page 446 (Beacon Press paperback edition) ‘

    Such a poignant quote!

  63. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 9:35 pm #

    “I made the initial pro-gun reply, but failed to mention this fact.”

    You sound like a Church fan I’d like to talk with. Email me if you would:

    [sorry for the minor hijack – enjoying your blog Steve!]

  64. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 9:35 pm #

    “I am a proud US citizen and the premise of private gun ownership absolutely disgusts me.”

    How would you suggest power is balanced so there will not be another genocide like Russia or Germany or Bosnia? I think your view is naive at best. Every free society in history has fallen to facism. Conspiracy is the norm in history. There is no expectation that our free societies will not share the same fate unless we take precautionary measures to prevent it. When worse comes to worst, self defense is survival and just the will to triumph over evil people is not a strategy. Nonviolence and pacifism SHOULD be practised. But one must be prepared for survival or there shall be nothing to practice at all. It is not realistic to ignore preparing for the worst case scenario, especially as the walls are caving in. That is, unless you don’t value your own life or the lives of those you love. Besides which, the Constitution and Bill of Rights are immutable rights granted by God (or whichever maker you choose to believe in). Rights are not granted by the State. The people give the State the right to govern. We do not live in a democracy – it is a Constitutional Republic. A democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what is for dinner.

  65. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 9:53 pm #

    “A democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what is for dinner.”


    …and liberty is a well armed Lamb contesting the vote.

  66. avatar
    eek | 10 May 2006 at 10:20 pm #

    Mexico recently proposed decriminalising a whole group of drugs — marijuana, cocaine, heroin, opium, LSD, hallucinogenic mushrooms, amphetamines, and peyote — if carried in small amounts for personal use. The law was passed by the legistature and was expected to be signed by Vincente Fox. However, the US govermnment pitched a major hissy fit and the measure was quashed.

    Stupid. Fucking stupid. So frustrating to see stupid, mean people in charge.

    As for guns — I think far too many people, especially here in the US, put too much stock in guns as problem solvers. They have their place. But I sure as hell don’t think that place is in most people’s homes.

  67. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 10:22 pm #

    Gun tooting, right leaning patriot, church fans, now I’ve seen it all!

  68. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 10:40 pm #

    It’s a vacuous assumption to think pro-gun means right leaning. But keep walking the left/right road, nevermind the scenery once you step off the path.

  69. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 10:46 pm #

    “I made the initial pro-gun reply, but failed to mention this fact.”

    You sound like a Church fan I’d like to talk with. Email me if you would:

  70. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 11:14 pm #

    Gandhi as a matter of being Gandhi was a philosophical purist on Non-Violence
    in fact he based most of his principles on the illusions of power and the presence of fear being the catalyst for violence and also how UnNatural it is to be violent.
    So how would he lend the point of view that the denial of arms to his people was the highest misdeed?
    With one quote and a page no. you have completely misconstrued everything about the essence of non-violence
    could you please embellish a little more as I find it a conveniently inaccurate sentiment..

  71. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 May 2006 at 11:55 pm #

    Gandhi’s words, not mine. Ask him what he meant.

  72. avatar
    Anonymous | 11 May 2006 at 12:58 am #

    “I find it a conveniently inaccurate sentiment..”

    It really isn’t a trick question/answer. Ghandi was a wise man, not a windbag of rhetoric and disinformation. He recognized that the imperial conquest of the British cost rivers of blood. His quote is a simple one that reflects the wisdom of both pacifism and a strtegy for defense. Indians, by virtue of owning guns, would have deterred much violence. That IS a peaceful solution.

  73. avatar
    Anonymous | 11 May 2006 at 2:27 am #

    Who wants to lean to the left? They’ve corrupted the credibility of academia, stacked writers festivals, slanted the ABC and BBC. They’re anti-art, pro-propaganda (their own of course). Art is spiritual, the left is anti-spirit, mundane, disspiriting because it makes it easier for the state to control the people if they’re broken.
    They live like rich fascists. They degrade people. They like to appear they have the good of society in mind but they do nothing good for anyone and just want to control them. Cheers, comrade. Have another glass of wine and listen to pseudo-radical music on JJJ. All form no substance. Leon.

  74. avatar
    Anonymous | 11 May 2006 at 6:10 am #

    Yes Thomas J and Ben F were genius’s but can someone explain what a well armed populace can do against a tank. Or an Aircraft carrier?

  75. avatar
    Bill Hicks | 11 May 2006 at 9:33 am #

    “Pick up the GUN”

  76. avatar
    rubikon | 11 May 2006 at 9:45 am #

    Freedom is but a state of mind.

    We are all free to do what we want with our bodies, our minds and our souls… they don’t belong to anyone but oneself.

    I obey the Laws of the Universe – Gravity, Relativity, etc but the Laws of the Land.. they’re all just constructs. Governments’ telling you what to do, what not to do .. they have no right..

    We’re all born Free.. Society ties our minds up.

    “I am a Free Man. I am not a number”

    Be Seeing you

  77. avatar
    Jnfr | 11 May 2006 at 9:53 am #

    All I know is heroin added to the early demise of one of my fave musicians, Elliott Smith. It certainly isn’t brain food.

  78. avatar
    Anonymous | 11 May 2006 at 1:37 pm #

    heroin and a butter knife …. he couldnt find a gun

  79. avatar
    Queenie of GB | 11 May 2006 at 2:38 pm #

    I have been known to drink tea.

  80. avatar
    Anonymous | 11 May 2006 at 5:11 pm #

    Conveniently, it hardly sounds at all like any sort of logic or ideology that Ghandi would use,
    in fact it sounds like a snippet that a nra or progun pamphlet might throw in,
    you should rent the movie at least then talk about a saint, defensive strategy indeed, he turned every cheek and he advocated the same to all, he influence Dr.MLKing into withstanding the same abuse and not retaliate,
    I have read stanza after stanza about how to take a beating and where to take your mind and how to survive..
    Sorry it does not compute..

  81. avatar
    Anonymous | 11 May 2006 at 5:32 pm #

    people who are ‘pacifists at all cost’ enable genocidal dictatorships. they pray that all people are like you.

  82. avatar
    tim | 11 May 2006 at 6:38 pm #

    It was a bass.

  83. avatar
    Anonymous | 11 May 2006 at 8:51 pm #

    “Conveniently, it hardly sounds at all like any sort of logic or ideology that Ghandi would use..”

    It’s just convenient for you to see it that way. Ghandi’s opposition to the disarmament of India by Britain is well documented. You are blinded by the ideal that you can’t even accept great men can seemingly contradict themselves. His ideal was preservation of life, not suicide. For the others who quote HeyZeus, same thing – I can give you several quotes that self defense as a last resort is acceptable morally. Again, complicated loving men who were intelligent level headed and direct in their speech. You just hold them as totems for proof of following an uncompromising viewpoint, not one that is thought out logically.

    BTW, no one has offered anything that resembles a workable alternative. Scenaio, your door is being kicked down, terrorists detonated nuclear bombs in all major Western (+ OZ) free countries, and now your going to be herded into internment camps, there are alt news sources (via NNTP) with hundreds of accounts that the camps are extermination centers. Your 2 year old daughter, son and you wife are sleeping upstairs. (INSERT ALTERNATIVE HERE…) We’re listening…

  84. avatar
    Anonymous | 12 May 2006 at 7:58 pm #

    your take on men and contradiction is noted
    i just find it very hard to digest as I have read much of his work in philosophical tenses
    as compared to his take on specific situations such as you state,
    I appreciate your answer but I can’t marry the two and I see it is insignificant compared to his ideas of non-violence, basically the quote does him a disservice..
    Instead, enlighten the room with the presence of a master who went beyond the strongest force and became the man of bravery and compassion who found that the truest weapon he had was in making others realize that their own brutatlity was their own loss..
    Now your scenario is very doomish very imaginable and there’s plenty of gloom music in the background..
    well right off the top with all honesty I must say hey like LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL, see Begnini
    given a choice to kill or be killed? for me
    Be killed, be killed be killed and the violins enter…
    Guns changed the timeline of evolution,
    while people where taking the time to read the stars and feed their minds one millionth year at a time
    here comes the genius of a gun which kills effortlessly,
    as people consider others as insignificant then so goes the flow..
    Ultimately I am not beyond losing my temper or feeling real fear,
    I just recognize it as weakness and such a waste of energy,
    I am trying to be a holy man….and it shouldnt be acceptable to us that we regard one another as the other.
    It is a lack of understanding and lack of humanity that leads us to doubt each other..
    if suffering wasn’t the ultimate motivator then people would be less willing to gain leverage on it at the expense of others and their own humanity.
    Ghandi is real to me and I hope people dont glance at a quote of his but rather take the time to explore his ideas and free themselves and help out the cause for life and love on earth.. or have it your way… peace

    Jaime Rodriguez

    p.s if your really wanna fly check out Swami Vivekananda (wikipedia is fine but try to read his yoga books

    jnana, raja, karma, bhakti, along with Autobiography of a Yogi by P. Yogananda.

  85. avatar
    JeffV | 13 May 2006 at 1:16 pm #

    I live in the US and re the gun thing–if all my neighbors were armed, I’d move the hell out of the US. The level of ignorance and just plain old retardation in this country is at an all-time high, and our theories about the right to bear arms are at an all-time retardo high, too.

    Still, there are a lot of reasonable people left over here and most reasonable people would love to see strict gun laws.


    PS Steve–just blogged about Refo:mation

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