posted on September 27, 2010 at 11:03 pm

stress n strain

god created this magnificent world

he needed someone to tell him what he had done so he created us

we reflect back in myriad ways

we explain to him why this creation is so special

just what is so bloody good about it

why we dig it thusly

i mean he already sorta knows he did a good job i’m sure

but still its nice to be appreciated even if youre (a) god

so when we figure it out n marvel he is well chuffed…….

in a very tiny tiny way ย this is similar to why

i really enjoy reading the bells n drums site reviews

some real church experts deliberating over their fave band

trying to come to grips with

to articulate

what it is that they love about the church so much

and it makes wonderful reading for me

because these guys make me re-appreciate this old stuff

i actually listened to seance today with a fresh pair of ears

and it aint too fucking bad really

some nice things there

the boys on drums n bells tell me what to look out for

theyve explained why these songs are so good

why a few not so good too

it isnt all just gushing splather

but a real knowledgeable dissection of ย how its done

how the effect is achieved

but even so

they continue to dig the trip

i’m glad i got fans who care so much to do this

it is a songwriters dream to have these lovely things written

to have some indepth n loving analysis of your work

i really enjoy it

some of em arent even writing in their 1st language

they get different takes on whats going on

its all valid

its all great to read

i hope they can truly finish their gargantuan task

then put out a definitive book on ALL the churches songs

and i will write the foreword of course

cos these guys really do understand what i’ve been trying to get at

and their interpretations are a must for any real church fan

wholeheartedly given my stamp of approval

and as one of em says

the church arent always the best judges of the churches work

and thats true

and you know what

maybe this bunch of different characters are

like the council of nicae

they are the keepers of the true flame

and you know what?

you can write a review on there too

but it better be as thorough as theirs

cos theirs are good

and whatsmore

i had a real pleasure in reading what they wrote

it made me quite happy

yes indeed

41 Responses to “drums n bells”

  1. avatar
    thebloggedcrusade | 27 September 2010 at 11:32 pm #

    Seance,ahh yes another underated opus.
    Reverse gate on Richard’s snare in “Electric Lash”.Love it.

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    BROKEN TOYS AND HEROS | 27 September 2010 at 11:39 pm #

    I have investigated “bells and drums” and found it to be interesting to say the least. Song interpretations are a thin ice to skate upon. For very opinionated
    individuals, what one players analytical expression could be perceived as banter to another participant in the process. The comment in todays blog referring to “the church” are not always the best judges of “the church’s” work is a bold and somewhat true statement. I am an agreement to a certain point, without the creative process of the artists, the-time-energy-love/hate-and soul infused in2 each piece a possibility of an actual review would be non-existent. In other words, no1 would have anything to actually review. And so many critics are just waiting to pounce on anything-anyone without realizing the entire process. They just want to spew(positive or negative) so quickly, that the art never was allowed to mature with time. Its to quick, and so many times, not a true reaction for the masses to agree with. “Yes, the critic writes in his/her forum their EXPERT opinion that this new movie/album sux”- yet millions flock to see/listen to it and , hopefully are not judgemental before they can experience it from the heart …mind…and soul.


    And have a great day !!!!
    As Always,
    Darrin K.

    IE..Magician may not have received the acclaim it so rightfully deserves- that Friggin album is hypnotic-and maybe that is how it should have been jusged, it takes you to a place outside of yourself.

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      redgrevillea | 29 September 2010 at 6:35 pm #

      i agree about Magician – it always enlivens me and makes me happy to listen to it – ah, Marvellous record, one of my special favourites!! ๐Ÿ™‚

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    Ron Bonham | 28 September 2010 at 12:14 am #

    Well, I am tired but not sure if I am wiser for the time, as the song goes; drove over 800 miles Thurs-Satadee seeing 3 shows. Old age and maybe wisdom kept me from making the last leg of my treck, to Dallas and back on Sunday but I missed the last ever Texas TBC show where there were 3 songs in the set that might have made the drive worth it,but I have my own show today so rest was needed. Let me tell you, dancing nonstop for 2-3 hours on unforgiving concrete will cause some damage to a persons legs, man I am really hanging today! The Austin show was one for the books mainly for the encore which had Faces keyboardist Ian McClagan sit in on 2 Faces covers w/the band.

    rb,tired and a bit wiser for the time…

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    dwellingwell | 28 September 2010 at 12:34 am #

    “In “Tlรถn, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius”, it had been declared that the visible universe was either an illusion or sophism, and that mirrors and procreation were abominable because they multiplied and disseminated that universe.” – stuff on Borges

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    Steven Krut | 28 September 2010 at 1:23 am #

    I didn’t even know about that Drums & Bells site. Here I thought I was a big fan, only to discover that I’m completely outclassed. ๐Ÿ™‚ Maybe I’ll post the video I made for Deadman’s Hand and write about the song. I’m quite proud of that video. So glad those reviews make you happy!

    Hey, Steve, I have an idea on how you and the guys can pad your bank accounts. Why not debut the next album live on the Internet and charge a modest fee for admission? I bet you could get a very large number of Church fans around the world to attend. Think about it. ๐Ÿ™‚

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    Jonny Hollywood | 28 September 2010 at 4:04 am #

    congrats on being inducted into the ARIA hall of fame from the true #1 church fan, i am the man with the life by the drop plan, no other has done what i have done just for you…

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    timetunnel | 28 September 2010 at 4:08 am #

    Glad you like the site, Steve. It makes me happy that it makes you happy. It’s all give and take, going to and fro, isn’t it? You give your music, words and passion, we give our appreciation, buy CDs, write reviews, you read them reviews and appreciate them in return, then we are flattered and… wait! You probbly read one of my reviews?! /blush/ ๐Ÿ˜€

    I did a few reviews only so far but it was fun to do. Each one was such a different approach. Sometimes I knew I *had* something to say about a song and the words just flew from my fingers, and sometimes it was like: “I *want* to say something about this song”, and – bang!- Writer’s Block.

    Looking forward to your foreword!

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    Freddie | 28 September 2010 at 4:38 am #

    You know that what they did at Nicene was to decide what to force all the Christians to believe in, right? Hahaha
    Sounds interesting. Iโ€™ll be sure to stop by and check em out.

    • avatar
      thetimebeing | 28 September 2010 at 7:54 am #

      yeah i know freddo
      a bit of a sick metaphor!

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        Boyzen | 3 February 2012 at 6:50 am #

        As much as I glaernley hate Wings, there’s something about “Wonderful Christmastime” that I find inherently charming and sentimental. Somehow in my childhood, the video clip became a representation of the Christmas parties that my parents went to/hosted. It’s typical Paul-Pop, but I can’t deny that I love it, Macca-Mullet and all.

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    pernath | 28 September 2010 at 4:48 am #

    thank you steve. just today put up a little bit of blather about HHG ๐Ÿ˜€
    been on D n B hiatus for months. small n big n vast changes, now finally getting ears n time together at last…

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      thetimebeing | 28 September 2010 at 7:51 am #

      you sir are i would say, with no offence to any of the others, a top notch fucking expert on all things the church
      long may you run!
      and you always know a good veg restaurant in prague
      go little steffy!

  10. avatar
    Ellen | 28 September 2010 at 5:48 am #

    Ahhhh, great to hear. God knows The Church deserves every accolade.

    Hey, and congratulations on being inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame.

    When are you coming to Los Angeles again? I need a LIVE Church “fix”…

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    eekie | 28 September 2010 at 7:17 am #

    I listened to the church for well over a decade in complete isolation — I didn’t know any other church fans, didn’t read a single article or review about the band or any of it’s work, didn’t discuss any songs with anyone. Then I stumbled onto various church sites online and thought I’d be as happy as a pig in shit with all this church info. And I was — I read everything, watched everything, listened to everything, joined discussions, analyzed songs — for a while. But it dawned on me that both doing and reading all the song and album analysis wasn’t increasing my enjoyment of the music, it was decreasing it. So I stopped. I don’t care what meaning anyone else gets from the songs — I don’t even care what meaning (if any) you were trying to impart in your songs — all I care about is if they work for me. If they do, I listen; if they don’t, I don’t listen. Works for me.

    Kinda sad to find out I’m not a real fan though. Oh well.

    • avatar
      thetimebeing | 28 September 2010 at 7:53 am #

      jesus christ eekie youve transcended being a real fan n youre a real friend
      no get over it or i’ll kick your bum!

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        eekie | 28 September 2010 at 6:44 pm #

        A real friend — awww…squee…that’s very sweet. Sure as hell better than being an imaginary friend. Wouldn’t that be a trip — to only exist in your imagination? Of course, I wouldn’t know…or perhaps I would. Did/do the Dreambeings know?

        Hmm…guess I better wear my steel undies next time I see you if you’re going to be kicking bum. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        But really, someone has to give you a little shit — don’t want you getting too puffed up over the HOF induction. Besides, you were the one who defined real fan thus!

        “gushing splather” — eeww. Have you been watching porn lately?

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      BROKEN TOYS AND HEROS | 28 September 2010 at 9:51 am #


      I so am in agreement with u. I can dissect any song with professionalism from being a musician myself- but that would be a non-constructive use of my time. I love the church and i am never gonna argue or declare my stature as a “fan” in their realm or any other. I do know this: Steve,Marty,Peter, and Tim happen upon all of us in this universe together at the right time for the right reason- to fill all our lives with enrichment-allow us to escape in a song, lyric, album- enhance the beauty that all music can be- even more relevant-add vibrant colors to a dull day- and most important, entertain us with their craft which is un-matched.


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        Lisa | 29 September 2010 at 1:50 am #

        BT&H I am in total agreement with what you wrote. The Church is something/does something to us all. Collectively and individually those 4 fellas are stellar. It must be fate….or providence ๐Ÿ˜‰

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      ASSMIDGET | 29 September 2010 at 5:49 am #

      Eekie same outcome here. I never read reviews anymore.
      Shadowcab and Hotelwomb sites were such a great find for me years ago, a lot of info for a lone fan in the middle of nowhere.

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    dwellingwell | 28 September 2010 at 9:59 am #

    How does one transcend being a Fan into a friend ? Seems like a better place, being a friend than a fan.I am not famous , so I don’t know, but I think it would be scary to have Fans. The “I -it” relation to the max. As opposed to the “I-thou” relation of a friend. Martin Buber’s work “I and thou” goes into that stuff.

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    Karen | 28 September 2010 at 10:12 am #

    Ha Ha eekie know what you mean
    Im one of thoe gushing splatterers
    I can feel a song dunno about dissecting songs like some sort of musical surgeon… still kudos to those who can (Y)
    a fan is a fan is a fan ..

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    Cocoamo | 28 September 2010 at 11:31 am #

    Quick congratulations to you et al for the Hall of Fame induction. It’s about time, eh?

    Maybe one of these days you’ll become an overnight success….again. Hee hee.

    Mucho mucho kudos!

    Your Friend in Pennsylvania (now in Cocoa Beach)

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    Damian | 28 September 2010 at 1:31 pm #

    heh! and I though I was a fan but I’ve not heard of this drums n bells site either so I googled it and couldn’t even find a hit.
    Can someone please post a link so I can have a sticky-beak?

    I sit on both sides of the fence, there are some church songs that I love to dissect and others I just dig for the sound of them without giving them another thought.

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    Donna | 28 September 2010 at 1:38 pm #

    Congrats to you, Pete, Marty, and Tim on the Church’s induction to the Aria Hall of Fame! Must be very gratifiying to you all, as well as all of us who enjoy your music so much!! Well done!

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    dwellingwell | 28 September 2010 at 2:57 pm #

    Is that an Australian term :”Gushing splatterers ?” Never heard that one. Anyways. No More lady gaga Jokes. I wasn’t really looking to offer her lyrics. But here is an offering to all on this blog. It is a pretty good Online I-Ching. Good way to start into it. Check out the original Wilhelm text after getting a Hexagram.this is my one “superstition”

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    redgrevillea | 28 September 2010 at 3:31 pm #

    Seance is incredible…I love all the albums but this one just hits the spot for me…it seems to match my pervasive mood…even the way the vocal is buried in the mix, i can relate to that….anyway, I think it’s a masterpiece.

    The Church are visually awesome, were and still are a genius band – God created the Church, must’ve. The music’s at the top of its class. Who else would’ve brought someone over from the other side of the world to meet you and form the most aromatically cosmic band on the planet?? Your will, or cosmic will, or..

    Congrats on the ARIA award, my god you guys deserve it!!!!! Who else created, or could’ve created, Heyday et al??!

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      BROKEN TOYS AND HEROS | 29 September 2010 at 11:26 pm #

      Its P=A for me. Still this day i will up the volume around the house or in the truck and people will ask me “who is that?” and no1 can believe to this very day that it was composed decades ago. Take ur pick on that album- from Kings to Ripple, from Feel to Mistress. Nothing has ever been created or even closely duplicated to that perfection. And the trio ending of “Old Flame-Chaos-Film” energizes me in any mood. They are the songs that fill my synapses with the spark to live each day. No church album like it, and never will be again. Thats the/your best SK !!!!
      PERFECTION !!!!

      Darrin K.

  19. avatar
    davem | 28 September 2010 at 4:09 pm #

    I really enjoy visiting it from time-to-time. It’s always interesting to read the views of passionate, opinionated and really articulate churchy folk.

  20. avatar
    Jonny Hollywood | 28 September 2010 at 7:00 pm #

    thanks for the no reply as you reply to everyone else but me, I need you more than they do write now sk…

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    hellbound heart | 28 September 2010 at 7:47 pm #

    i think drums and bells and similar church sites are unreal, but in the end i have to agree with eekie…’s all about the music, how it makes me feel, where it takes me, what i absolutely super-duper love and what i just think is ok……man, the music transcends everything else……

    love always…….

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    celticat | 28 September 2010 at 9:50 pm #

    Me….well I just like The Church….a lot

    Love to yous and the fambley

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    andy | 28 September 2010 at 9:53 pm #

    i can’t be arsed to try and deconsruct and pontificate about your stuff. it’s magic as much as it is music.
    cold stark analysis?… way!
    steven…..IT JUST IS.
    the very best.
    now….more importantly,
    when are we having that curry?

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    Lisa | 29 September 2010 at 1:55 am #

    Steve – a big fat congrats on the ARIA induction! Awesome, awesome, awesome ๐Ÿ˜€ Thanks for the info re: drums & bells. I was unaware but I will def be checking it out. In my mind I keep thinking of bells & whistles LOL!

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    Martha | 29 September 2010 at 4:28 am #

    I’m with eekie.

    I CAN pull these songs apart and satisfy my own ego with some learned analysis (‘cos i do have the mental goods for all that), but I’d much rather allow the id to absorb and filter what it will.

    I mean, when you step out into the sun, would you rather take in a single ray of light and examine all it’s singularly observable properties, or just relax and absorb as much of the star’s warmth and brightness that your nebulous soul and fragile skinshell can handle?

    hmmmm? hmmmm….
    everyone needs a hobby, i suppose.
    but i’m still in camp with eekie.

  26. avatar
    jcole | 29 September 2010 at 4:36 am #

    Here’s the link for those who need it:

  27. avatar
    princey | 29 September 2010 at 10:29 am #

    Hi sk, I could never write a review like those guys with all that musician-type jargon, but I’d like to think I grok ya music as much as the rest.
    Only 10 days to go:)
    love Amanda

  28. avatar
    dwellingwell | 29 September 2010 at 1:25 pm #

    Steve Kilbey wrote: “god created this magnificent world
    he needed someone to tell him what he had done so he created us we reflect back in myriad ways”

    Question ? If he is a God, why does he need the pat on the back ? A God moves on while creating new worlds and does not look back. Someone once said :”God got hold of a bad rock” Like peatree dishes laid out in a lab, only so many will flourish and reach a certain potential. Other planets that made it to the Upper atmosphere would have an inverted ratio of Abstract thinkers vs literal minded ones compared to the ratio here on this planet. A Happening planet would be at least 90 % abstract . They would dwell in the poetic and would be telepathic.

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    shoffy | 29 September 2010 at 4:54 pm #

    I agree with Andy, “it just is” and eekie and the others….I just love your music..all of it….I cant be pulling it apaart to find the answers. I dont mind reading the reviews by others….and I think you love seeing what others think of the sometimes non sensical lyrics…..I think we all do. Drums and Bells is a great read. Shoffy

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