posted on March 20, 2009 at 8:34 pm

me
the problem
me
the solution
self obsession
ego stroker
but how could i have done it
without kilbey
i couldnt just cut off the bits i didnt like
or could i…?
can ya have bob dylans songs without his weirdness?
can ya have kilbeys trip without his malarkey?
not yet
or stay home
listen to the records
imagine i was st francis assisi
listen to me apologising for what?
being an uncertain awkward stubborn young man?
its not like i killed or robbed or even punched anyone
i was….occaisionally rude and thoughtless
obviously i’m remorseful or i wouldnt write about it now
anyone actually reading my blog
is supposed to understand that i am not a perfect man
i was unpleasant in some ways if you tried to deal w/ me
but the people dealing with me were often unpleasant as well
music biz types begging for some comeuppance
i treated most nice people nicely
i’d say i wasnt the worst bloke you ever met
but i was flogging some trip about
and oh how it tires me now to think of it
still
i tell it how i saw it
i dont try n recast myself as man of the people
i was never that
i was always nice when meeting someones parents or children
i never kicked any animals either
i was always clean
my nails were never black
my ears washed behind
i said thank you everytime
i tried not to make the ladies cry…..i could never bear it at all
i was very envious
the biz was all based on an actual index
ie the charts
and the charts were real important in the biz
and you could instantly see
you were much bigger than these
and much smaller than them
why were we obsessed with bigness n smallness?
because the church was our team…right n wrong
and we wanted to beat the other teams
thats the nature of it….or it was to us
we hated to see bloody awful teams up the top
but we also were happy when some of the underrated bands
got some accord
we loved a slew of aussie n indy bands n we mentioned em often
we just bloody hated the 80s rubbish
oh god
there was so much rubbish in the eighties
I COULD FUCKING SEE IT>>>>>WHY COULDNT YOU LOT???!
the church was a beacon of fidelity to the glorious golden period
when rock was fucking cool
and exciting
and the lyrics were …you know…kinda poetic n meaningful/less
and the blokes were blokes but with long hair n cool guitars
like stones dylan beatles
i LOATHED the thompson twins n all that horrible bloody row
i LOATHED spandau duran boy george anything like that
i hated the sentiment
i hated the look
i hated their stupid voices
the shallow vacuous words repulsed me
people say what books didja read back then?
the surrealist manifestos by breton
the sutras of patanjali
herman hesse and appolinaire
i read the bible i read the koran
i read the pali sutras of buddha
i read satre and i read biographies of stars
the lyrics of the eighties were anathema to me
consider my first lines on the first song on the first record

in the empty place
the soul stripped bare
of skins and heart
and i come apart
in your icy hands

you see
ok its not fucking shakespeare
but its not shakespeares sister either
most of the eighties
i say most
cos there obviously were good things too
but most was bloody rubbish
thats why people laugh when they hear it now
oh ho ho how funny ….
to think we used to like that stuff….?!
well i didnt
i was trapped in a decade of imbecility and i couldnae get out
and you wonder why i was a little weird
but of course
you dont wonder that
you know i’m weird
you accept me as being weird
cos weird is good, right
or you got the 21st century at your fingertips
you cant have the weird without the weird
you cant have it
not both ways
i tried
but you cant

42 Responses to “fooling some of the people some of the time”

  1. avatar
    John David McKellar | 20 March 2009 at 9:53 pm #

    This is how I feel living in the 2000’s. I haven;t heard anything groundbreaking since the mid 1990’s. Most if not all music is recycled and not too original. There’s some, as yourself and The Church who continue to amaze me – but little else. I actually loved the 1980’s. I knew then that most of the trends wouldn’t last, but it was harmless fun. Sometimes I want to be rocked and blown away – and sometimes I just want to have fun and not have to search for hidden truths and meanings.

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    Brien Comerford | 20 March 2009 at 9:58 pm #

    “The Colour Of Spring” and “Spirit Of Eden” were two great 1980’s CDs by the totally overlooked band named “Talk Talk”. They were too deep for the shallow era.

    I still think The Church is a great late 60’s to 1975 psychedelic band.

  3. avatar
    esne snoner | 20 March 2009 at 10:05 pm #

    which is why the church was so important then and now to so many people – an alternative to all that other rubbish – but then so too was died pretty, celibate rifles, ed kuepper, etc – and all still cranking it out though relatively infrequently but with the same ideals and consistency as always

    you’re not alone sk – just at a very special place at the moment with your still-intact band recording and playing like men possessed – or at least united with a purpose evolved from decades of experience and experiences

    …long may it last

  4. avatar
    Athanasius Pernath | 20 March 2009 at 10:08 pm #

    > ok its not fucking shakespeare
    > but its not shakespeares sister

    HAH! Kilbey, I love ya!!

    80es is a weird thing. there is 80es music that sounds like 80es music and is crappe (Doo Ran). There is 80es music that sounds like 80es music and is crap but somehow strangely poignant (like say Space Age Love Song by A Gull of Seaflocks), there is 80es music that comes from another planet (like Joe Walker's Clay Made of Hunters), 80es music that sounds like 2010es music (Talk Talk's Spyryt of Eden and the Laffing Stock)…the drill of Wire…the echoes of Boner and The Hedge…and there is, say, Hayday which is so beyond any fucking time frame you won*t believe until the 21st century, when Ernie, the guitar god, divides the chaff from the grains…

    > cos weird is good, right

    …and strange is what we need!

    Strange like in Love May Find Us.
    Love May Find Us is the hornet's knee!!!

  5. avatar
    EDD | 20 March 2009 at 10:12 pm #

    Steve:
    (a)Did you ever have to play a gig with any of those bands you hated?
    (b)Did you ever get to tell them they suck?
    Just wonderin. BEB

  6. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 March 2009 at 10:30 pm #

    it was a strange period…the eighties…especially if one didnt feel part of the zeitgeist…your friends heads were in one place…while you are stranded on your own…though comfortable island….the one good thing about that time is that the live scene was thriving…and there really was a strict line drawn between what once alternate and what was not…those lines are blurred now…maybe thats a good thing but anything that seems to have a certain uniqueness gets swallowed up fast and spat out to the masses (gregw)

  7. avatar
    princey | 20 March 2009 at 10:38 pm #

    You were my saviour inthe ’80’s.

    Oh my songwriting saviour
    with his pen and paper
    all the songs that he gave yer
    and I can’t let it go…. :))))

    Have a lovely day,
    love Amanda

  8. avatar
    seoigh | 20 March 2009 at 10:48 pm #

    It’s a tough question.

    Maybe the answer is that the affectations of the mansuit, both good and bad, were necessary to get you to where you are now.

    So maybe being a little rude and foppish in the 80s was necessary.

    But is it still?

    Take a plane to get somewhere. Once you’re there, you don’t need the plane anymore, right?

  9. avatar
    Steve Draper | 20 March 2009 at 11:10 pm #

    Hear hear, the 80’s was simply awful. This might help explain why you guys stood out so clearly. We all got hooked on it and grew with you. Sometimes we didn’t get it, but we eventually caught up…by about day 5.

  10. avatar
    the dean | 20 March 2009 at 11:29 pm #

    Je ne sais quoi étrange is what set the church apart from the hairdo synth band and other pub rockers.
    Who ever created the electronic handclap needs his ears clapped with real hands.

    Growing up in the 70’s listening to the great prog(for want of a less generic name)bands only to find them transformed in to stadium superstars in the 80’s left people like me trying to find something real.
    Neil Young went missing, Bowie turned disco, Genesis went supernova – horrible.
    But the church batted on and by the end of the decade produced the mind meddling masterpiece – P=A

    Amen

  11. avatar
    Richard | 20 March 2009 at 11:46 pm #

    I liked your comment yesterday about your daughters selecting their parents.

    I often wonder whether we have tricked ourselves into assuming that time goes forwards. If you look at your daughter’s lives in terms of the ‘causes’ that led to their existence, the odds against them ever arriving are infinitesimal. But turn it around, and the fact that Elli and Minna are here now makes sense of the fact that you and Karin locked eyes in Gothenburg.

    It’s not that time goes backwards; more that it doesn’t go in any direction at all. There are really just a whole lot of connected nows.

    Your comment also reminded me to find the following passage from an essay written by William Hazlitt in about 1800. I first read it years ago. I’m not sure it’s quite about the same thing – but it sort of fits. The sentiment is oddly soothing – and he sure can write:

    Perhaps the best cure for the fear of death is to reflect that life has a beginning as well as an end. There was a time when were not. This gives us no concern – then why should it trouble us that a time will come when we shall cease to be? I have no wish to have been alive a hundred years ago, or in the reign of Queen Anne: why should I regret and lay it so much to heart that I shall not be alive a hundred years hence, in the reign of I cannot tell whom? … To die is only to be as we were before we were born; yet no one feels any remorse, or regret, or repugnance, in contemplating this last idea. It is rather a relief and disburthening of the mind: it seems to have been holiday-time with us then: we were not called to appear upon the stage of life, to wear robes or tatters, to laugh or cry, be hooted or applauded; we had lain perdus all this while, snug, out of harm’s way; and had slept out our thousands of centuries without wanting to be waked up; at peace and free from care, in a long nonage, in a sleep deeper and calmer than that of infancy, wrapped in the finest and softest dust. And the worst that we dread is, after a short fretful, feverish being, after vain hopes, and idle fears, to sink to final repose again, and forget the troubled dream of life!

    (The full text of the essay can easily be found online)

  12. avatar
    Anonymous | 21 March 2009 at 12:02 am #

    why apologise
    for being who you are
    or was
    to hell with expectations in
    others..
    i personally dont want to
    hear/read about it
    you are what you are
    and i’d say 99.9%
    of people on here
    cant get enough of you
    so suck it up
    and smile!!

  13. avatar
    Richard | 21 March 2009 at 12:10 am #

    and onto today

    yes, there are at least two versions of all of us

    and today’s versions bear only a passing resemblance to the versions we ‘grew up’ with

    but there are common threads

    for all the changes, you remain my idea of cool

    I put it down to brilliance

  14. avatar
    davem | 21 March 2009 at 12:48 am #

    And you were and you ARE fucking brilliant.
    You’ve never, ever let me down and tonight 3 of us 40-somethings were talking ’bout how we can get to all of the euro gigs we’re hoping for on this #23 tour without being made homeless from the los of ££££££’s!
    You remain THAT vital.
    Gawd bless ya killer.
    x

  15. avatar
    ross b | 21 March 2009 at 12:56 am #

    I was a teenager throughout the eighties and all I cared about were the Beatles and the Jam, and it branched off quickly from there with the Church entering my radar at about 15, 1985.

    As far as eighties bands go – bands that climbed through the eighties – the Church and the Cure are about it for me really. I only like the Shire Council because of PfW but they were lame in comparison to his current solo work and his previous 3-piece bread-spread.

    Personally my favourite body of work is the Church’s EMI albums, 1980-86 – I think it’s the most consistently brilliant stuff in my collection though I’m still very much into Church post-GAF.

    There were a couple or so great albums around the period 88-89 recorded in Sydney, 16 Lovers Lane being one and Catfish ‘Unlimited Address’ being the other. Temple of Low Men was quite great too and represented the mood of Crowded House I actually did like.

  16. avatar
    Anonymous | 21 March 2009 at 1:16 am #

    Kilbey you shoulda been a comedian – love the line about shakespeare.
    A chuckle for the morning is always good.

    Dutch Pierre

  17. avatar
    davem | 21 March 2009 at 1:23 am #

    “thats why people laugh when they hear it now
    oh ho ho how funny ….
    to think we used to like that stuff….?!
    well i didnt
    I LOATHED the thompson twins n all that horrible bloody row
    i LOATHED spandau duran boy george anything like that”

    Ditto and bloody hell they’re all ours……you missed Haircut 100/Howard Jones/Rick Astley/depecheoperatinggeneratingnewlife/heaven17/alteredimages/bananathingy….gawd it was truly awful.
    And in 1982 you made me queue for effing hours with duranies to see you supporting them…and then you pulled out!!

  18. avatar
    Anonymous | 21 March 2009 at 1:45 am #

    more words,huh.great.thanks.

  19. avatar
    CAPTAIN BEYOND | 21 March 2009 at 2:21 am #

    could not have said it better myself esskay, you rocked my world, literally you did…
    Jonny

  20. avatar
    . | 21 March 2009 at 3:19 am #

    Hello, Steve. I live on the edge of the Mekhong river. It’s a long way from just about anywhere. I have most of your music on my computer (and a lot more on vinyl, a long way away), and everything still sounds shiny and new. Got the first album when it came out; like a lifeline, and grabbed every one since, like a drowning man. And now I’m living out here, on a red dirt river road, and the chances of ever seeing you live are slim at best. So here’s my invitation; come out and play for me and a few dogs and mystified locals. It’s a trek getting here, there’s nothing here when you get here (except river and sky), and the food can be problematic. All this, plus no money at all.
    I know – it sounds too good to be true, right?

    Looking forward to the new album. A lot.

  21. avatar
    Warpedjohn | 21 March 2009 at 3:50 am #

    As a baby boomer 80’s music was crap to my ears but I’ve since realized that whatever music accompanys a generation’s coming of age/ puberty years sticks in their mind and is deemed ” great”.Whatever soundtracks your 1st snog or sexual experience stays with you forever . Hence the popularity of the bands mentioned above ( Duran et al )

    Further when I turn on the radio nowadays even the alt. stations seem to play an 80s revival sound ( synths, jerky new wave rhythms, mannered vocals ) not very original.

  22. avatar
    Anonymous | 21 March 2009 at 3:52 am #

    I’m 20 years younger. In my late teens/early 20s I hated everything 90s. I tune in to todays music and think maybe it wasnt so bad after all.
    I remember being very judgemental and arrogant. Not just musical taste but in social situations as well.
    Maybe it’s just part of being a young man. It’s part of that battle to see who’s the alfa male, artistic wise

  23. avatar
    Anonymous | 21 March 2009 at 3:56 am #

    said…
    good idea. how about a show for us country folk.
    I always thought kilbey was someone who prefered nature over the city.

  24. avatar
    Anonymous | 21 March 2009 at 4:41 am #

    80’s- 90% bad 10% good

    90’s- 95% bad. 5% good

    00’s-now. 99%- bad 1% – good

    How the times have changed!

  25. avatar
    daveoto | 21 March 2009 at 7:48 am #

    Always said so, even at the time.
    What an awful decade. Musically, culturally & spiritually. Greed & selfishness ruled. We are still suffering now from the consequences of that era & are now witnessing the collapse of its "modus operandi".
    The Church were THE most important band of that decade. (AND STILL ARE). Others helped-The Rain Parade, The Smiths, the Cure, Go-Betweens, REM. But nobody as essential as your goodselves!!
    You helped me through those dreadful times.
    Long may you reign.
    D x

  26. avatar
    Hellbound Heart | 21 March 2009 at 9:02 am #

    ….have to say that i still really like some of the ’80’s artists and music that came out….madness, depeche mode (although some of their stuff was a bit gimpy), rem, sunnyboys…there were nuggets of gold in all the crap….
    after recently watching a coupla countdown dvds where at one stage you and the boys lip synched unguarded moment, there’s one thing that you and duran duran had in common……EYE LINER….the cosmetic companies must have thought it was christmas…..;-D
    love always…..

  27. avatar
    Thomas Thomsen, Denmark | 21 March 2009 at 10:17 am #

    The 80's depressed the hell out of me. I am a music fanatic, but back then I didn't really get into music until about '83, and it was pretty much all 70's stuff. I just could NOT feel the soulless crap that most of my friends were listening to. It left me completely cold. Of course I wish I had discovered The Church way earlier, but it wasn't until the late 80's that I started to investigate some of the more "obscure" music out there, which eventually led me to watch this music program on Swedish television, and there it was – the music video for Metropolis. A lifelong love affair had begun.

    That said, though, I don't really agree as for the music of today. If you disregard the top 40, there's a lot of great music just waiting to be discovered. Especially if you have an eclectic taste in music: Fleet Foxes, John Frusciante, The Gutter Twins, The Black Keys (Attack & Release), Brendan Canning (Something For All Of Us), Wilco (Yankee Hotel Foxtrot) ,Iron And Wine (The Shepherd's Dog), Devendra Banhart (Smokey Rolls Down Thunder Canyon), Howlin Rain (Magnificent Fiend), Smog / Bill Callahan, Mojave 3.

  28. avatar
    Anonymous | 21 March 2009 at 10:27 am #

    I always found it easy to deal with people, I always felt comfortable in showing off and creating the suitable atmosphere for each of them, always got a sense of appreciation (for better and worse), always easy to grab their attention. It was also faced as a sport: the right quotes, the charms, italian talking hands, spontaneous smiles, drops of cultural information, poetry, music, beautiful objects and surroundings, antiques, collections, the ability to put different people peacefully living together at the same room. Always entertaining. And always losing a LOT of energy with this sordity. Exhibitionist. Trying to hold people in the palm of my hands. Talk about ego. Being necessary, being the knower. Since 2004 when I started the whole process of coming to terms with my then already heavy past, fighting death demons and finding my own direction outside such an absorbent family/previous history of success and decadence ever superior to my puerile intents (but MINE), I started to let people go. A deception with a close friend, almost a sister certainly helped. She was living through me, taking my place, answering for myself, looking after my life. I felt protected then, dearly loved and fed. She was my living reinforcement. Ah, the need for twins. The fact was that she loved a certain definition of me and when I seemed to diverge from that definition by taking a new direction she didn’t approve, it was finito, over. Suddenly our connection didn’t exist anymore. Now, caution with people, getting intimate with people, don’t open the door to strangers so often, I feel people are invasive. Many people took my energy, drained it, stole my best nights, ideas, feelings, meanings, anti-meanings, stories to an extent I did little about all of it for myself. So I decided to leave people aside. Too many vampires around when my neck is the kind that offers itself for the thrill of being bitten. Now I see I need more superficial relationships. In the future, hopefully more social meetings with cultural and political purposes than getting emotionally involved and attached to people. I’ll focus my talent/weakness in something tangible and lucrative for me. Maybe I believe more in collectivity than in individualities. Maybe just a few individualities can shine upon the debris of frustrated souls and be trusted. Also sometimes I think people are just stories to me, “collected people as you might collect stamps”, they play a very specific part I’m very aware of in my fiction. I see and treat them both romantically and objectively for it. There’s more beauty in seeing things this way, there is also more conscience which can make me manipulate people. A romantic is always a bit of a people user too. His/her commitment is with his/her salvation. But sometimes it all sinks and pales before skin: here’s what can put all philosophy (even romanticism) to sleep. Amen.

  29. avatar
    captain mission | 21 March 2009 at 10:51 am #

    the church never let me down. when i think of all the things that did disappoint, religion, drugs, girls, family, friends, faith, jobs, politics, beliefs, passions, ideals, lust and sometimes even love. but there was always that knowledge that the new church record would be as good as the last if not better, and that is how it always has been.

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    pennybridge | 21 March 2009 at 11:01 am #

    The 80s sure was a decade of imbecility. But there are some nuggets of cold in my LP- collection i can´t live without. Kate Bush "Hounds of love", Paul Simon "Graceland", The Smiths "The queen is dead" for example.

    And i love the indie scene of today!

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts & memories SK.

  31. avatar
    Freddie | 21 March 2009 at 11:51 am #

    "I COULD FUCKING SEE IT>>>>>WHY COULDNT YOU LOT???!"

    Hahaha
    Well in my case it was ignorance.
    I didn’t know you existed until someone dragged me to a concert in 1999.
    And WOW!!!

    And secondly,
    forgive thyself for thy youth.
    Wasn't everyone a little ornery back then?

  32. avatar
    Anonymous | 21 March 2009 at 12:44 pm #

    its pitiful,isnt it.g’night.x

  33. avatar
    catchow | 21 March 2009 at 12:45 pm #

    you’re not a perfect guy? that’s no bad :perfection may be boring…
    the 80’s? a taste of time;old fashioned nowadays but ,at least,there was creation:new style
    new sound new clothes…there was good stuff too:the Cure!!!
    and 90’s and 00’s are worst!!!
    you mean j.p.sartre?…”l’enfer ,
    c’est les autres” …

  34. avatar
    fantasticandy | 21 March 2009 at 1:17 pm #

    the 80’s sucked musically and culturally.
    however, originality still equals poor sales/cult status….
    i should bloody well know!
    and i too was a big-headed know-all git in my youth too.
    i still am!

    after being disowned by emi and then being scrapped by verve after just one album, talk talk folded.
    their final double set remains unpressed and unheard.

    these days are no better…all but the artistically sterile have to go DIY!
    i should bloody well know that too!
    but as i previously mentioned….
    i know it all.

  35. avatar
    CSTCoach | 21 March 2009 at 2:57 pm #

    "there was so much rubbish in the eighties
    I COULD FUCKING SEE IT>>>>>WHY COULDNT YOU LOT???!"

    Hmm. Probably because i was just a kid in the 80's, sorta coming of age in that early period. i hated most of the top 10 shit, but a lot of the other stuff is a bit nostalgic to me now. But the way you felt then (quoted above) is how I feel about today's music. From the mid-90's on. Can't stand wrap, hiphop, or any of that absolutely tiresome repeptitive shit that dominates the airwaves today.

    Re: the 80's, it was also with Starfish (and then your back catalog) that mainstream popular music and I began to part company. So something good came of it.

    "people say what books didja read back then?
    the surrealist manifestos by breton
    the sutras of patanjali
    herman hesse and appolinaire
    i read the bible i read the koran
    i read the pali sutras of buddha
    i read satre and i read biographies of stars"

    Very cool. Thanks for that. i'm always interested to see common reading threads. sartre was a big one for me, and camus (the myth of sisyphus really tipped the scales at one time), rimbaud, the surrealists, etc

    "consider my first lines on the first song on the first record"

    It's funny, I just listened to Of Skins and Heart yesterday.

    I was also reading over your lyrics from Remindlessness a few nights ago (yeah, i do read that stuff, even study it sometimes, cause as a writer your work inspires me tremendously). I was hit again by just how fucking brilliant that album was. Even without the music, just the lyric sheet, it's fucking magical. Same for A Quick Smoke at Spots – i listened to that one all across Mongolia, over and over. Reading the lyrics the other night, i was blown away by your imagery and words.

    Brilliant. Startling. Unexpected connections that make you see language or the world in a fresh way.

    That's also why your music always transcended the 80's or any other era. When I listen from about Heyday on it becomes difficult to place any of it in any one time period. IMO it's truely timeless. There's nothing arse kissing about any of that. Tis my honest opinion, and why i value your work so much. Without that, i don't know what i would listen to in such a bleak world of music, or where i could have ever found similar solace or inspiration.

  36. avatar
    ScaughtFive | 21 March 2009 at 3:08 pm #

    I’m really, really glad the ate-ease are in the rearview. Let’s hope it never happens again. Killr, you and yer crew busted a fat daddy jam all over the oceans of dreck back then. Me and my droogies sure appreciate your service in action.

  37. avatar
    timetunnel | 21 March 2009 at 6:27 pm #

    I saw some of the music videos of 80s chart hits by Spandau Boyagoogoo et al. again some years ago (after I had watched them as a teen in the 80s). It was an awfully shocking experience. The band’s looks and how the music sounded – arrgh. It was the moment when I realized that I had memorized the 80s completely wrong and that I had been very very lucky that I had discovered Indie bands like The Church, The Chameleons, The Sound etc etc back then.

    On the other hand I was astonished in the late 90s when I realized that there’s still music to discover from the 80s, which were Talk Talk’s Laughing Stock and Spirit Of Eden (two of the best albums ever made in any universe in any dimension at any time).

  38. avatar
    runeo | 21 March 2009 at 8:38 pm #

    Steve, where can I mail order the new church CD? I got your new solo and marty’s as well. Its not up on the site except with a small size tshirt.

  39. avatar
    runeo | 21 March 2009 at 8:39 pm #

    Steve, where can I mail order the new church CD? I got your new solo and marty’s as well. Its not up on the site except with a small size tshirt.

  40. avatar
    Anthony | 21 March 2009 at 8:50 pm #

    I bought all your albums once I found the Church, and get them all as soon as they come out.

    You could say I was saved.

  41. avatar
    William | 23 March 2009 at 12:02 am #

    I’m really kind of perplexed by this “the 80s were the worst thing ever” deal from many of the regular commenters. Certainly each to their own opinion and all but..wow…really!? So we’re all writing off the bulk of a decade based on it’s most overt, POPular manifestations?

    Personally, If I HAD to pick a period, I’d take a good chunk of what transpired across the board between 1977-1984 over just about ANY consecutive 8 year period of rock/pop/underground (or whatever you wanna call stuff not getting played much on the radio) , etc before or since. And I’ll stand by the inclination to my grave I tells ya. Or until another such powerful, fertile period comes along — which btw I’m more than open to — hoping for even?

    Steve — I can kind of see your perspective on the period given your proximity to the business and trying to get your art made in the face of the worst parts of what was being held up as the standard. I can’t imagine how that must have really and truly sucked.

    But I’m sure I’m not alone here in commenter’s land in feeling that *some* of the best music put to tape was made in the 80s — and as ridiculous as it seems I feel utterly compelled to speak up for them !? It’s silly I know but what can I say?

    –william

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    smoochgirl | 13 April 2009 at 8:47 pm #

    wow, i hadn’t thought to connect the writings of breton with the church music. does he still continue to be an influence? i’ve only read a few poems by him, particularly to my art class when we study surrealism. honestly, it’s hard for me to take him seriously because it’s so wacky, it cracks me up. surrealism cracks me up in general. i don’t know why, but i admire the strange creativity these guys had.

    as far as 80’s music goes, i’m a fan of late 80’s alternative and new wave bands. then again, i hit my teenage years by then, so what can i say? much of it was great for dancin’. i think that today’s music is a ton of regurgitated crap, particularly grunge or “modern” rock that remind me of beer and zanax and tatooed necks and lip rings. i also despise the folksy chick singer/songwriter stuff. as i’ve said, it’s got to esthetically pleasing. i love music that’s ethereal, enchanting and will take me into my own little world for a while. the church pretty much foots that bill. 🙂


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