posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm

while i was in sweden i had a listen to forget yourself

fuck what a good record!

i never stopped to listen to it at the time

but theres some great stuff on there

i mean obviously we never make bad records

although some we have made i really don’t care for

but they were not bad records

forget yourself is a fizzy electronic-y guitar-pedal kind of album

i had just moved back to sydney

and the ganja here was mind blowing at that time

plus i had finally thrown off the last shackles of heroin

and i was back on form again after a bit of a struggle

it was recorded at tims old studio in glebe

it was crammed with gadgets and equipment and stuff

for some reason we had this engineer nick hard

he didn’t really seem to understand

exactly how we thought we were s’posed to be

so forget yourself is a weird hybrid record

its noisy bright and a bit digital

pretty energetic tho for a bunch of old guys…eh?

i mean we are not going gently into that good night…are we…?

anyway i guess i never really understood what it was at the time

but listening to it for the first time in ten years i was kinda impressed

we put a lot of thought into what we do

and we argue and carry on during the creative process sometimes

i think everyone in the band goes out of his way to make each song special

peter with his apollo approach to guitar

marty with his dionysus approach to guitar

tim was the walloping drums n guy who understood pro-tools

i was the geeza who played bass and sang the songs

we don’t like to write stale hackneyed showbiz stuff

on this album it seemed our horizons suddenly exploded

especially compared to AENT..a very measured record indeed

this record reminds me of some of my paintings

lots of bright colours lots of naive joie de vivre

a sonic recklessness is afoot

after AENT and its tastefulness

FY comes unleashed fucked up squashed chopped up feeding back

a strong sense of some cartoon psychedelic trip

a sense of a rebellious looseness

i have come back to my full powers as a lyricist by now i guess

after some dodgier moments on the gear in the past

in fact at this moment i was on a roll

i wrote june and don’t you fall one night  about 5 minutes apart

despite the fact i was being hassled at the time by someone as i wrote em

it was a hassle-y period

lots of people dropped in

there were always someone hanging around

we went out n took long lunches and dinners

i usually turned up late n went home early

(tho i usually do that)

a lot of good songs from these sessions went on beside yourself

yeah thats a good record you should track down if you like this one

we recorded tons of songs

we went through a very productive streak writing wise

in fact it doesn’t seem possible the church could not write songs ever

we always come up with something

look we just muck around

we just fiddle about until a song starts to form

or we follow weird little strategies of writing

i said to peter one day

give me a chord progression any chord progression

on the spot he came up with the chords for sealine

its called sealine because it reminded us of i am the walrus (geddit?)

song in space sounds like some krautrock group from the seventies

i wrote june and don’t you fall on a bass guitar only

that hardly ever happens

nick hard and tim were doing stuff with the sound

was it meant to be like this ?    i used to wonder

now it doesn’t seem to matter

the record is a glorious accident

its got a couple of beautiful songs

june and maya for 2 at least

its got electro-euphorica e.g. reversal

its got a great slow dissolve ending in summer

which was the aural equivalent to being back in bondi beach

and its got some turbulent strident stuff

and its got some triply poppy stuff

hell you can’t go wrong with forget yourself

if someone else did it it probably woulda been huge

but the church were fated to be ignored for a while

even though we still made great music like this

if we aren’t the best band in this universe we’re not far-off

ie we have delivered interesting accomplished songs and music

for thirty 2 years now and we show no sign of getting soft

still too highly strung for our own good

eccentricity or just plain mad…?

thats the church

we will be back







the squalls and the warm calms





87 Responses to “forget me knots”

  1. avatar
    colette | 11 June 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    who cares what the French think of your rebellious looseness and split infinitive? 🙂 Vive la joie de vivre de vie etc … the approach just reminded me of an English comedian who worked for a while in France. He said his French was quite bad but he always gave it a go and didn’t resort to English and the French were really encouraging despite his mistakes. It was the guts and effort they admired and I think that’s true from my own experience there…so i admire that similar kind of lack of fear of the unknown in your creative process you describe.

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      thetimebeing | 11 June 2012 at 9:04 pm #

      oh i made a slip up in french didn’t i?
      or was it the damn spell corrector

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        colette | 11 June 2012 at 11:30 pm #

        I won’t make any jokes about French letters of course

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      Violette | 11 June 2012 at 11:51 pm #

      Heh, heh, Colette, it’s the same here in Quebec. If you make an effort to speak French, we will love you for it, no matter how bad it sounds.

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    andy | 11 June 2012 at 8:38 pm #


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    hellbound heart | 11 June 2012 at 8:41 pm #

    haven’t been to your neck of the woods for a few days….winter illness combined with hours of after-hours work for school reports……reading the last few entries was a wonderful balm for my tired head….
    it took you THIS long to realize forget yourself is unreal???? bah!!!!

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    jjo | 11 June 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    Yep. Always good. “Lay Low” sells it alone. But Keyriist what a cracker. Outthere production values make it even better. A mutual rock writer fan gave this to me for my birthday. Marty asked where i had got it from, since it hadn’t quite been released at that point. Glad it’s being talked about.

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    Anonymous | 11 June 2012 at 9:15 pm #

    Well, even the poxy NME said that FY was ‘brilliant’ – but it didn’t translate into many extra sales. I remember a sound engineer and his bassplayer mate banging on about the review and how they must check out the lp cos they loved psychedelia – but neither of em bought FY in the end. Me, I love the songs and hate the mix in equal measure – I love Tim’s drumming but I can barely hear it sometimes.

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    veleska1970 | 11 June 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    i have always loved “forget yourself”. just *adore* that album. “appalatia” is the best track, methinks, although they are all excellent.

    “eccentricity or just plain mad…?”
    neither. it’s utter genius. 😉

    lotza love…….

  7. avatar
    Carl | 11 June 2012 at 9:43 pm #

    Good record and then some.


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    princey | 11 June 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    That’s what I’ve been waiting for you to say for so long, “The Church, we will be back” yay! 🙂
    Yes, yes, yes, FY is a great record, so many brilliant songs on that one record alone……absolutely love it!
    Can’t wait for more sk,

  9. avatar
    Umberto Ledfooti | 11 June 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    I have fond memories of you performing “June” at The Rocks in Sydney many years ago.

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    Chris | 11 June 2012 at 10:48 pm #

    Thank God you never gave in to the ‘commercial pop crap’ pressure. The Church are up there with Floyd, King Crimson, The Doors, Lou Reed, Zeppelin, and Zappa.

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    Marcc | 11 June 2012 at 10:48 pm #

    Steve, you should listen to the Silverline Dual Disc DVD version. It has a different mix, which is pretty interesting to compare to the original. FY is in my top 3 Church albums. It has everything! marc

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    Chris | 11 June 2012 at 10:53 pm #

    Speaking of krautrock, I have just been revisiting Rammstein…love that over-the-top industrial rock that is so quintessentially german. They are not everyone’s cup-of-tea, but they have a similar attention to musical/ production detail as you do.

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    Violette | 11 June 2012 at 11:51 pm #

    I happened to love AENT. All of it, all its bits and pieces, though it took me a while to get into, because it was, so measured.

    Now I have to go back and give FY another listen.

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    anthony | 11 June 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    Of all Church records, FY took me the longest to really “get it”. I think the production put me off at first. But like all Church records, it’s beauty revealed itself after repeated listens and continues to to this day. How many band’s records do that? I’m with Andy on Telepath. It’s in my top 10 favorite Church songs. Thanks for clearing up the title of Sealine, ha!. Goo goo goo joob!

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    Boriah | 12 June 2012 at 12:18 am #

    It´s good when you write about albums, gear, etc. I prefer that. As for FY, I think is a great album, so much better than ULTC and AENT, still, in my point of view, the production isnt good for a The Church album. It´s weird that your latests albums have been produced by a drummer and the drums sounds awful (my opinion). I cannot hear the kick drum anywhere, just the snare and some splash here and there. Take “Back with two beasts” for example, the drums are non existent -by the way, “Pantechnicon” is one of my top ten The Church songs-. As for FY, “Telepath”, “Maya”, “I kept everything” and “Reversal” are gems.

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    BROKEN TOYS AND HEROS | 12 June 2012 at 12:22 am #

    For me , what I have always lived about FY is the ‘captured Live’ feel of the album. It is and always will remain in my rotation because I can transport my self right in front of the stage at any time , so many of will agree that ‘the church’ performing live had been the true definition of why we consider them the greatest band on Earth and beyond.. I feel it is the closest piece of art that the four of you have achived that sounds unscripted and spontaneous. The raw attack from the very first notes of this ‘primal – controlled’ album…
    gives the sense of the lights going completely dark and the huddled fanbase squeezing ever so closer to the stage. It’s time to witness another unforgettable spectacle of brilliance, never a walkthru or lack of energy….Chicago crowds always amped up their noise as the set continued onward….WOW !!! Really miss you guys !!!!

    So many incredible chapters of your success , FY smiles close at the top.


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      BROKEN TOYS AND HEROS | 12 June 2012 at 5:02 am #

      And I would have to say “who gives a fuck what others , besides ur devoted family, friends and fanbase think and believe….and I think its perfectly fine to go completely…MAD !!! ….no fun being normal…”


      Revisit UILTC…that album is just as excellent …. Block + Unified Field + (hell !!!) not a bad song on it !!!

      ‘Block’ is one of The Church’s finest moments ever !!!!!

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        BROKEN TOYS AND HEROS | 12 June 2012 at 5:16 am #

        OooppPpssss…I meant ULTC !!! ( not …. ‘uninvited -intentionally – like the clouds’ or UILTC ….which may or may not have been the original title preference….hahaha ) …….

        Always wondered what you would have named each album if you had the all deciding vote…


        U23 = U24 (did they forget one by accident …. Hhmmmmm…..)


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    Brien Comerford | 12 June 2012 at 12:40 am #

    “Forget Yourself” is tenably the greatest progressive rock record ever made. It’s my all time favorite. It was so vintage it also expanded to “Beside Yourself” a rather awesome CD too !

    Forget Yourself and Dark Side Of The Moon are in the same pantheon of musical supremacy and luminosity.

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    Christopher in Cleveland | 12 June 2012 at 12:42 am #

    Hey Steve,

    Fantastic that you talked about Forget Yourself. I picked this album up in Toronto one summer day and it blew my mind coming home while driving along the great lakes and orchards. I love telepath with some of the craziest eastern philosophy stoner lyrics you have ever written, plus that awesome drum roll. A few years later I picked up beside yourself from you guys and it knocked me over once again. I can’t begin to tell you how much I love tel aviv… Anyway, to me those two albums showed that you have all still got it and to keep buying those albums. Thanks again for the intuition brought to the real world that is your music.

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    Javier | 12 June 2012 at 2:05 am #

    The best thing about FY is that it always pushes me to forget myself. And it succeeds.

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    Steven Krut | 12 June 2012 at 2:32 am #

    AENT was an album that a middle aged couple would take to the beach and listen to on their terrace as they sipped chardonnay. FY, by contrast, is an album that I can easily imagine blaring from dorm room windows onto a sunny quad where nubile coeds toss about frisbees and mingle. I think it revitalized the band. Seems like there’s been an upward trajectory ever since. I have to concur that Telepath is really exceptional. Lay Low is also one of my favorites.

    For the follow-up to U#23 I wouldn’t mind something as assertive as FY, but I guess whatever comes out of the sessions is what comes out of the sessions. I think it doesn’t matter how you follow-up U#23 as long as the songwriting is strong. I hope the break doesn’t last too long.

    BTW, I’ve made a new video. This time for The Faith Healer. Check it out:

  21. avatar
    anthony | 12 June 2012 at 2:41 am #

    oh yeah… and “reversal”. love it. headphones required for this album for sure.

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    Mark Wingler | 12 June 2012 at 3:16 am #

    “peter with his apollo approach to guitar…” 🙂

    June is so wonderful, throbs along with beauty and regret. I find myself listening to Forget Yourself more than any Church release, these days.

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    Anonymous | 12 June 2012 at 3:17 am #

    Why do church finally make a breakthrough and then sit back and let it slide instaead of nailing it while iron is hot?

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    Thomas Thomsen | 12 June 2012 at 3:18 am #

    I was stunned, when I first listened to Forget yourself because of the production (my first thought was “Did I get a bad copy?”). Today I don’t mind it at all, and Forget Yourself has long since become my favourite Church album, and it’s also in my all-time favourite Top Ten Albums. Just love it. There’s so much going on, so much energy and creativity.

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    Todd K | 12 June 2012 at 3:44 am #

    Forget Yourself was profound affirmation that, not only was The Church sustaining its level of writing and performance into a third decade, but actually improving on them. Agree that ‘Maya’ and ‘June’ are among the top beautiful songs (or any songs) the band has recorded. The cellist from Sea Ray played on the former for the Bowery Ballroom show I saw, adding an extra dash of soaringness to the middle bit. A few months later, I saw her riding a New York subway, and I proudly produced an ipod with all Sea Ray’s songs on it. Since strangers don’t speak to one another on the subway much less produce mp3 devices with another rider’s recordings on it, she unsurprisingly edged toward the door hopped off at the next stop.

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    Anonymous | 12 June 2012 at 4:45 am #

    the band’s last time through, some man started a conversation with me up on a balcony where I was waiting for lady’s room… eventually the conversation went to tim’s drumming. (He was impressed.) …yeah Buddy Rich could take pointers from him – he’s that good, but he puts all those things on his hands/drum sticks (he said). Yeah, that’s the point and why he’s that good – he knows how to make the most incredible sounds nobody else gets close to… oh yeah, he said. – I tell of this cuz that guy’s face turned so clear/happy and looked like all of the yet answered questions still floating in the universe had just come to him. He had offerd me a hit off his joint – but it was my turn to use the ladies’ room. Bye… He smiled, still looking like the world was no longer a mystery/he’d figured it all out. (nice man, he was.)

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    Ardal Cravan | 12 June 2012 at 5:25 am #

    FY is in my opinion one of the very best ever Church albums – a fantastic record and as you say was a great contrast to AENT’s tastefulness (although I really love that album also). I love Sealine, Theatre And Its Double, Telepath, I Kept Everything, Nothing Seeker, June – great tracks all, in fact the album is loaded with great material. The surround sound DVD of the album is fantastic too. Having seen you guys play FY material live in London at The Mean Fiddler in 2004 was something very special that I will never forget. And yeah, Beside Yourself is also excellent and worth checking out for those that don’t know it. Thanks for all the wonderful music Steve.

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    andy | 12 June 2012 at 8:54 am #

    what happened to ‘down to the cardboard’?
    tracks were even played in the intermisions of certain u.s. shows a couple of years back.
    i remember marty saying it was ‘in the can’ at the time…….
    what’s the story slim?

  29. avatar
    andy | 12 June 2012 at 8:57 am #

    oh..and tim’s production on FY is one of the many reasons its such a fine album.

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    andy | 12 June 2012 at 9:31 am #

    one more thing while i’m at it…..
    journos AND joe public still keep bangin’ on about P=A…oh, yes….it was their zenith…
    was it fuck!
    it was simply the day you guys discovered the vehicle had a fifth gear,
    but then you stalled it.
    peter threw a wobbly,jay dee upped-sticks and the whole thing looked busted….
    just slim ‘n marty pushing the beast up a very steep hill….
    however, a young mechanic by the name of timebandit helped fix things up,
    and a previously mentioned gangly guitar god hopped back on board too and since then things have NEVER BEEN SO GOOD.

    well….that is until some rock-mag wag announced ‘the church are the best band in the world today!’
    steve….you told me i should never stop…so i didn’t.
    we just topped some indie chart in britain(ain’t made a penny,…oh…but the kudos,the kudos!)…if i hadn’t listened to you it wouldn’t have happened.

    sooner better than later methinks nevits!

    • avatar
      thetimebeing | 12 June 2012 at 10:12 am #

      fucking huge congratulations andy!! i am so happy to hear this!

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      BROKEN TOYS AND HEROS | 12 June 2012 at 11:24 am #

      Congrats Andy !!!
      Very Very proud of you !!!
      Check ur email, finally got it right – and don’t u worry – the $$$ will come in…I can feel
      it deep amongst my bones, first time you shared The Failed with me…
      it was just a matter of time…brilliant as always !!!
      Big Grand Blessings Brother from across the water !!!
      No one more deserving !!!


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      Steven Krut | 12 June 2012 at 1:20 pm #

      Congrats, Andy! I bet that feels good.

  31. avatar
    simon | 12 June 2012 at 9:37 am #

    while always having their music around me in some form, it was Forget Yourself that really sucked me in, and made me a fan

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    skyintheairwaves | 12 June 2012 at 9:54 am #

    Love it when you reflect on your past music.

    Looking forward to the future music too!

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    caitbrid | 12 June 2012 at 10:41 am #

    I haven’t been on here in a while–life has been too hectic but I honestly feel calmer reading your blog than I have in a long time. I love when you talk about the music-making process. Also, isn’t genius very very close to madness? Thank you for sharing yourself here.
    Your infrequent but grateful blog-reader,
    Kathleen in Philly

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    M | 12 June 2012 at 11:13 am #

    after being in musical limbo for years, I gave birth and coincidentally learned that the church still existed. I left my infant son with my hub and drove to sellersville, pa on an august evening.

    I heard ‘sealine’ for the first time that night…it haunted me for days. I soon found myself on a catch up with the church jag that began with forget yourself. 6 years later and I am still haunted. there are so many amazing songs on FY…I was listening to it just this morning at work in the garden.

    thank you for all the decades of great music!

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      thetimebeing | 12 June 2012 at 9:53 pm #

      love to you meri!

      • avatar
        david also says.. | 13 June 2012 at 1:52 am #

        come back to Sellersville…………wind and leaves rustle , scrape the sidewalk….woooosh!

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          caitbrid | 13 June 2012 at 11:54 am #

          YES come back to Sellersville! 4 of the happiest hours of my life were seeing the Church there.

          Kathleen in Philly

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    reflection | 12 June 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    the church toured the US playing FY, remember the show being raw, loud and spikey, we’ve tried to cover church songs, cant be done, a blessing

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    Jmb066 | 12 June 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    After AENT I first thought wow what a radical change. Fuzzy it is and I love it, almost a double album and the Beside Yourself songs are in some cases better than the album tracks. Those must always be some tough challenges to determine what goes on the album, especially this bunch of songs. Agreed June and Maya are my faves on the album but there really is not a weak song on the album at all. Summer is one of the best album closers yet only topped by Hotel Womb.

    Best band in my world.

    Take care,


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    Steven Krut | 12 June 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    I have his version of FY with a 5.1 mix. Meant to be played on a DVD player with a surround sound setup. Makes it sound a little different. I thought I read at the time that that mix was released because there had been complaints about the production being muddy. It took me a little while to warm up to the sound of FY as well. Now I like it, but I do know some Church fans who never warmed up to it.

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    Garrett | 12 June 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    The musics always a gift
    The Church has never let me down
    for you old bones to still make some racket
    and a lovely noise it is
    is MAJOR
    be proud
    and keep on

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    Ryan Murdock | 12 June 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    FY was a fucking outstanding album. i remember how surprised i was to hear it after AENT. telepath hooked me immediately, for the poppy trippy sound but especially the lyrics and delivery. theatre and its double was another, who couldn’t sit up and take notice at that weird offbeat? maya immediately pierces you through with its beauty and truth. and so many other great songs on there. it proved once again how original you guys are, and how you never do the same thing twice. beside yourself also became an immediate favourite. that one kept me sane thru so many miserable temp jobs, i played it on repeat for days at a stretch. amazing how music can help you escape mundane surroundings and drift off on a cloud of images, impressions and ideas.

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    Michael | 12 June 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    I love the yearning in Steve’s voice on June. And the album altro is also such lovely stuff. The effect of the two is combined (for me)on Pearls from BWTB…my favourite Church song
    it’s been an amazing run from them all over the past decade..truly stunning

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    Galamor the Wizard | 12 June 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    You know Steve, when Forget Yourself came out, I couldn’t get into it at all. And that was a very strange experience – not liking a Church record! In fact I hated it – told everyone that it was the worst Church album – worse than Magician – and that they had lost it. For the first time since I saw the Church live on the Séance tour in chilly ol’ Armidale Uni in 1983, I DELIBERATELY didn’t go to the tour. LOVED Beside Yourself – Jazz is still one of the best things the Church has done – so languid and luscious.
    Fast forward to the first tour with Untitled #23. Brought a convert along (converted after Rocks Gig where you played a “best of the Blurred Crusade”)who RAVED about The Theatre and its Double. Went home. Must dig that out again and give it another go.
    Became the album of the summer for me. I now rate it as one of the Church’s best. So many great songs (except for Marty’s which I always skip – all great albums have at least 1 clanger). Summer…WOW what a song! – humidity, watermelon, bright sunlight & surfing green, warm waves in Paradise… in sound! I have a playlist on my iPod called “Psychedelic surf psyche up” and this song, amongst MANY other Church classics, is on it.
    I was finally out of debt too and loving the line “deep in the black” – oh yeah! Such a good feeling!!
    Such a great album with so many great memories entwined with it. I love it.

    • avatar
      thetimebeing | 12 June 2012 at 9:50 pm #

      it happens sometimes that way with records
      i have the same experience occasionally

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    Bernadette Keys | 12 June 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    I wish the Church played regularly

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    Larry Smith | 12 June 2012 at 10:50 pm #

    Forget Yourself and Preist = Aura are my two favorite Church albums. They may be my two favorite records by any band. I love most of the records, but those two really are my kind of thing. Tripped out, spaced out, rocked out and yet those hooks are still sharp and piercing. The best fever dreams I ever had.

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    verdelay | 13 June 2012 at 12:45 am #

    How strange; how wonderful.

    I dusted off FY last week. Must be the first time in a good few years I had consciously decided to play it.

    It came out when I washed up at 30: battered liver, addled mind, no clear direction, love-lorn and hopelessly exhausted upon the banks of a new century.

    Within a year I had packed in my band, got a better job, and met – and married – the love of my life. I also started making music on my own under a daft pseudonym.

    Forget Yourself was something of a soundtrack to all of this. The title matched my ambition. The album struck a resonant tone: it conveyed the perfect mood, sentiment, atmosphere and feel for a spiritual rebirth. It’s a bardo-hopping transmigration of a record. The mix? Distinctive, toothsome, tangy. Loved it. Love it.

    Assured of a place in my top 5 of anything you’ve ever recorded (until the next couple of things knock it down a peg).

    Well done.


    (PS That’s fantastic Andy!)

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    david says.. | 13 June 2012 at 1:49 am #

    forget thyself produced ..if anything…Converts…i clearly remember doof doofers ..and rock-a-billers..coming to me with the record…people i had been buttering up with selected snippets …now slack jawed. wide eyed dont get me wrong ..(everyone ) but forget yourself has the same almost brash confidence that made Starfish so widely appealing..of course opinions are like Deviated septums…everybody has one?…..

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    david also says.. | 13 June 2012 at 1:50 am #


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    crimsongate | 13 June 2012 at 3:05 am #

    FY… It’s a masterpiece Mr. SK. It’s in my top 5 records by ANY band. It made the Church my favorite of all bands. I’m so glad you devoted a post to it. I do hope you play its songs live. If you ever release the vinyl I will buy it in a heartbeat. Beside Yourself, a beautiful twin.

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    davem | 13 June 2012 at 5:59 am #

    It’s a great album and one of yours that I’ve never stopped playing on a regular basis.
    If pushed I wouldn’t rate it as being as precious to me as HoB, Starfish, P=A, The Church (for nostalgic reasons & I still can’t refer to it as OSAH) or Heyday, but after those 5 it’s right up there with my other favourite Church releases.
    Thank-you for bringing it to us. Your music has meant so much to me and I never have a day when I don’t listen to something Kilbey-related.

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    eekie | 13 June 2012 at 7:14 am #

    FY seems to have been right about the beginning of a long burst of exceptional creativity from both you and the band. You in particular seemed happy and excited about life and all the possibilities within it after a long period of…well…limboish existence. I loved most of FY (still do) and remember fondly the passionate discussions about it among fans. And then the flood of music from the band — BY, EMD, EMS, ULTC, Jammed, BWTB, U23, Shriek, and all those eps…. Wow! Amazing how some of the best church songs never even made it to the main albums. And the live shows…I saw the church live for the first time on the US FY tour (yeah, I was a late bloomer as far as seeing the band live went)…in Detroit! I remember driving into the city through some dodgy areas and thinking “oh crap, it looks as if these buildings have been bombed out!” and wondering what in the hell was I thinking driving through there by myself. I almost turned around and went home…but I didn’t and as soon as the music started I’d go to as many shows as possible. 24 more shows since then for me and I still crave more.

    When I think of FY I also think of so many of the other creative outlets you had begun exploring. Obviously the painting was paramount for me. It’s been so exciting seeing how much you have grown and developed as a painter…it’s really quite astonishing. I also remember when you told me you were going to be in a play — The Merchant of Venice Beach. I asked what role, and when you said Shylock I laughed and said you’d be perfect! I still wish I could have seen that play. Hell, I wish I could see any of the plays you’ve been in! Looking forward to seeing Comeback though…being on film that possibility is more likely.

    Such a great time to be a fan. I wouldn’t have missed it for the world.

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    Kraig | 13 June 2012 at 8:55 am #

    Heck, i guess I”m one of the few that loved FY when it came out. Didn’t have to wear on me! I also got the 5.1 DVD later on but stashed that away for years (nearly forgetting about the 5.1 surround album)…well, a month ago we finally got a 5.1 surround system and i remembered buying that back in 2006…had to dig it out from somewhere (since i have all on my iPod now)…so i dug that out of the closet (5.1 DVD) and put it in and sounds even MORE AWESOME than the original which is awesome. Rough, drum driven, guitar album! I remember when it came out remembering that the drums overpowered everything which was different and cool! I absolutely LOVE this album and cannot compare to all the other Church albums! I like it better that U23, but as i said…all the albums have their own individual realm. Thanks & Cheers! All are my fav on that CD, but if I had to choose. Maya.

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    thetimebeing | 13 June 2012 at 9:05 am #

    lovely brutal poem!

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    colette | 13 June 2012 at 9:26 am #

    Ecce Brutus Maximus

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      colette | 15 June 2012 at 6:51 am #

      Latin is a very logical and systematic language with all its conjugations and declensions compared to English (from my memory of having studied it for six years approx 30 yrs ago). ‘A dead language’ I heard so many times back then. It’s great to know some etymology. Sadly, on a personal level, it is a dead language for me. A few years ago at a school reunion I heard my ex Latin teacher took her own life. The same had happened to my brothers’ ex Latin teacher. So it is literally as if the teachers are dying out with the language. Maybe I should go back to Uni and study it again. I probably would if I didn’t have to run a house. I remember reading the ‘Aeneid’ by Virgil for the HSC and Cicero’s ‘Verres in Sicily’. We not only had to translate but know all the background historical notes as well. It was quite hard work. There were two in the class in year 12. I’m not sure if it is taught at all now in this state. Maybe there are one or two schools with Latin teachers. How elitist I hear some think. I specifically went to my high school to study the subject because even then it wasn’t widely available. I used to travel for a couple of hours there and back. Left home at 7am everyday and returned at 5 at the earliest. Travelled even further when I went to uni. Did a lot of studying on buses! It wasn’t a given that I go to uni. I remember I nearly fell over backwards when I read my HSC result. I had enough marks to go to uni! I hadn’t expected that. I thought I would become a nurse. I found maths, physics and chemistry hard but then we had crap teachers. I loved biology and did quite well at it, even learning some chemical equations to do with digestion etc for biology. But literature and language were my passions so all that travel and studying on buses paid off. Intellectually.

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    Chris | 13 June 2012 at 10:32 am #

    Just bought ‘Forget Yourself’. Looking forward to a listen.

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    Jesiah6 | 13 June 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    One of my favorite of the Church’s albums. I first listened to it in the summer while on a camping trip and it always brings back that feeling of warm nights staring up at the stars.

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    Reid | 13 June 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    its been some time since i listened to forget yourself as well
    i remember having the opinion and telling you that song in space was one of my least favorite songs by the crunch
    that opinion has definitely softened
    something about listening to the album on headphones helps the chaos of all the songs make sense better
    june was immediately and remains one of my all time favorites
    whatever happened to the chocolate bar baritone guitar pete played? i dont think i’ve heard it since
    of all the live memories and songs and places, one highlight that will always stand out is watching you play bass live during appalachia. for whatever reason that bass line combined with your rather vehement performance of it is one of the musical highlights i have been witness to. and i think that’s actually saying something!
    it’s aged well, and though very different to aent is a perfect logical step to the realization you collectively had that you could do anything with your music

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      thetimebeing | 13 June 2012 at 1:18 pm #

      i love ya reidy
      you are a cool geeza
      i value your opinions on my music

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    Bill | 13 June 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Steve, if there’s any justice in this world, FY someday have its well-deserved day in the sun. Not only is it a great Church album, it’s also a great psychedelic album. When my copy arrived in the mail in 2003, San Diego was literally surrounded by wildfires. ‘Lay Low’ became my soundtrack for that week. It also, unwillingly, became my neighbors song as well. I think it’s a thematic cousin to Brian Wilson’s ‘Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow’ from ‘Smile.


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    That Girl | 13 June 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    I think you all will be to sk. I saw you all on this last tour and I hadn’t had a chance to see you in a long number of years. Once you started up on stage no time had passed at all. You guys have still go it believe me. Don’t ever stop the music.

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    littlehappynever | 13 June 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    trouble with the church is theres so MANY records, even without the inevitable greates tits ones. some just sort of slip by unnoticed for a while. maybe its me getting older, not drowning in new albums anymore like i did in the days of heyday and starfish… i remember buying AENT and having some of that old feeling again. it was not shelved for weeks. it sounded painful and complete. and then FY came out and it was GOOD! dark and rich and grand and all over the place. AENT and FY allowed me to admit to myself that Hologram of B had been a disappointment. i was never disappointed before by anything the church did, so that was hard to accept. i agree that thers’s no bad churchrecord, though what is a bad record? i think hologram could be called bad if it werent for buffalo and louisiana. and tranquility, ok. glow-worm is the one i truly dislike. spent quite a few listens looking desperately for signs of cynicism or maybe a strange new sense of humour… for me comfort came with AENT and finally FY. FY said: don’t worry, these churchdudes will never let you down.
    and i guess i love things going wrong in churchsongs. makes me feel less alone.
    i’m glad your daughter is ok. hope she’s recovering and putting out new music soon. love, gilbert

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      Boriah | 13 June 2012 at 8:38 pm #

      I think quite the opposite. Hologram of Baal was an excellent album, better than FY in my opnion. Although Steve was mentally on auto-pilot those years that album is absolutely brilliant, and the lyrics are sublime. “Ricochet”, man, that´s a song: “After the demise of our beloved leader…Cassandra she told me but no one would believe her..”. A song that starts with those lyrics is a killer! Fuck experiments and prog-rock, The Chuch is a pop-rock band and with songs like “Ricochet”, “Reptile”, “Unified field” they deliver the best. Refo:mation album was another gem.

      To Steve: I´ve been listenig to the songs from “Artifacts”, great to hear echoes from the demo days. And what I find so funny is that you used to play a lot of guitar solos in your solo songs. Also you used the slide a lot, etc. Liked your demo work, find it closer and warm.


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        thetimebeing | 14 June 2012 at 12:05 am #

        i’m glad different people love different things
        it keeps it interesting

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          Boriah | 14 June 2012 at 12:09 am #

          Yeah Steve, makes it much interesting for sure. I just felt the obligation (the duty, I´d better say) of defending “Hologram of Baal”.


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            littlehappynever | 15 June 2012 at 6:58 am #

            at ease soldier, i admit defeat: tonite i put my boys to bed, dusted of HoB, put the headphones on, and cranked up the volume. youre right – its a brilliant album, the lyrics are sublime, and ricochet is a killer. listening now i hear that the guitars are blended to perfection. i guess back in 98 the fat rocking thud of it didnt do it for me, and i wasnt much impressed by the references to drugs or daughters of troy . im still not, actually. i still prefer the slower, vaguer, dreamier ones. louisiana and buffalo are as unbelieveable now as back then… i guess thats what i meant: its nice to be blown away by a killertrack, but what ive always loved about the ch – and sk’s other stuff – is something else. churchrecords were places to live in, sometimes literally. i was so spoilt that HoB didnt offer me the escape id grown used to, even despite the buffalo snowflakes. i guess it was just me. i mean, before sometime anywhere my fave song for years was texas moon….
            anyway, everybody builds their own church, and that’s great, right?
            anyway, thanks for puttin’ me straight.
            anyway, i still think HoB sounds like a pre-study for FY
            and i still cant listen to glow-worm, not for all its sincere sweetness (i missed no drugreferences here, or did i….?)

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            Boriah | 15 June 2012 at 9:08 pm #

            Glad I´ve won the war, now give me the keys of the city. 🙂

            “Texas moon”? Great song. Mine was “Ride into the sunset”, from the same album. Although I think “Ride..” is a song entirely recorded by Steve that he decided to include it in a Church album. Oh, and thanks for the fight, comrade.


            PD: I dont like “Glow-worm” much either. I always skip that song too.

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    Homer | 13 June 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    FY is one of my favourites. Nothing Seeker in particular is just a fantastic sonic wall of sound.

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    Anonymous | 14 June 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    You guys will always be the best in my book…….Hours and hours of enchanting music….Every record is its own universe!


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    Barry | 20 June 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    I remember listening to the church back in the 80’s.then one day i decided to get a “greatest hits” record and bought the 2cd singles really showed me what i had been missing.after that i purchased FY then HOB and thus it created a firestorm for i own all the albums and ep’s.i also have turned a lot of people on to the church who only knew the milky way song and we have been blown away by the creative writing and reminds me a lot of pink floyd and the beatles which is cool by any favorite song is “time being” from the S A double cd.gosh what a great song.thank you Steve and the group for inspiring me.

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    Wayne | 20 June 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    I’m a bit late to the party on this thread… I find myself agreeing with many of the posts. FY was an album which I didn’t listen to a whole lot when I first got it, but years later (especially after hearing Sealine live) I really starting getting into it. Telepath, Lay Low, Maya & June are other highlights for me. ULTC on the other hand, was a Church album that that I only picked up quite recently and it grabbed me straight away! Block, Unified Field, Easy are all up there with my all time faves. Funny that you mention I am the Walrus as Unified Field always reminds me of And Your Bird Can Sing with those great guitar runs…

    I feel the same way as Andy about Tim entering the Church fold at just the right time. He’s been so good for the band technically, musically and as a unifying force and advocate for the band. Thanks Tim!

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    Jim Wood | 21 June 2012 at 7:15 am #

    Ahh the lovely Forget Yourself. I remember, when I got it, I withdrew to my man cave (garage) and began to soak it in. Sealine, couldnt get past it for hours, kept playing it over and over. The gutairs building and residing like the tide, the vocal harmonys, bekoning, warning, and inspiring. I will never forget how that song made me feel (still does). When I was able to move on to Song in Space, it expodes with heat, the lyrics mocking my previous obsession. The Theatre and its double, truly pycodelic bliss with that uneasy ending. Telepath, my Mom was dying of cancer at the time, and I remember one drive to kemo treatment, lyricly brought me to tears, this song is a song of hope to me. See your lights, musicly wonderfull, but still dont connect with the lyrics.. oh well Lay low, this song rocks, swaying pycodelica. Maya, pulls back and puts things into perspective, absolutly wonderfull. Applatia, this songs pulses love. June= masterpiece. Dont you fall, my second fav from this, haunting forboding, a parents warning. I kept everything, i enjoy this song poolside, crisping under the sun, losing myself again. Nothing Seeker, insecurity validation. Reversal and Summer go hand in hand for me, soundscaping, and floating away. Steve the album is a masterpiece nothing less. Beside yourself, Jazz, stoney baby, and rolls right into Hit space bar,online murder witness? Thats where it took me. Crash/Ride, a song for all bands. Nervous Breakthrough, I dedicated that one to the wife. Both of these albums, continue to inspire me,thank you and the guys, for your wonderfull body of work.

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