posted on March 27, 2014 at 8:11 pm
           who profits

who profits

i dont like the old testament it frightened me as a child

a vicious old bishop promising a 7 year old hellfire

a jehovahs witness selling armageddon rags at the door

the israelites a problematical bunch

i mean i started out wanting to cheer them on

but i find them a barbaric brutal slippery stupid crowd

if they are the chosen people i dont want to be chosen

if thats the best old jehovah could come up with

a whinging whining bunch like all the others

why should i be happy when jericho falls down?

or the philistines get their dicks cut off (J asked for this!)

whats it got to do with me these garbled old fables?

its not that i mind them so much in themselves

but silly people interpreting this stuff literally has been a bane to this earth

the popes and bishops have used this tripe to murder you and me

this ugly old hopeless myth of big old nasty jehovah the jealous geezer

has been used to kill and tax and torture and molest us common people

since the day this malarkey was first adopted by the first ever pope

and…have they ever apologised for the murder and mayhem?

no they just go on pretending theyre holier than thou when the truth is in front of your nose

jehovah is a tent god invented by a middle eastern tribe millenia ago in a brutal past

i ask you is this character consistent with your vision of this world and its beauty?

how can a holy book contain such a load of superstitious mumbo jumbo and violent claptrap?

and how can people living in the 21st century give any credence to these myths?

the silly stories and borrowed bits…half of it nicked from other people..it is beyond belief

the dopey idiotic episodes one calamity after another

everything jehovah touches turns to death and destruction and plagues and warts

look what he does to job? does anyone here condone that?

fuck youd be better off under lucifer another imaginary cat

these 2 fictional constructions straight out of a badly written sci fi cheapie

battling it out for our souls…gimme a break!

and you go to hell unless you “believe” in Jehovah the jealous geeza

unless you “believe” in him you will go to hell

well that makes perfect sense doesnt it?

do you “believe” in him?

you better or you’ll jolly well go to hell, forever!

and thats a long time, my little pigs.

And dont go blaming Jehovah for this mess

its all that cunning Lucifer that rascally angel

I mean Jehovah made him and all and knew itd all end in tears

i mean Jehovah could presumably squash old Lucy pretty easy one would imagine

and let the rest of us off the hook

why wait till judgement day…?

on judgement day Jehovah will call my name

or i expect one of the helper angels will:

steven john kilbey eh? tell me. did you believe in me?

um, errr no sorry Jehovah but if…

Sorry son its off to hell with you even though you werent very naughty really

meanwhile

the whole damn thing is so incredibly silly

it really doesnt warrant me wasting anymore time demolishing a cobbled up book of old tent stories

not very good or interesting stories that dont seem to have much morality or anything

i come away disliking jehovah and his chosen people equally and contemptuously

bollocks! i say

the real god is the opposite of all this

he contains every single desirable quality and attribute

this stupid bible has put people off the real god

these stupid buildings with their stained glass miseries

these corrupt and lecherous popes and priests

the disgusting destruction and pillaging of the new world

all sanctioned by this twisted misunderstanding of a load of old stories

this is not god

it is man at his worst

christ was a cool cat and everyone here knows i dig him

why do you have to gild the lily and make him more than that?

its all accretion written after the fact.

made up by a pack of blokes in silly gowns who wanted to control you and me

and they have wreaked havoc on this world with this ludicrous book

good book..?

what good has it ever done anyone?

 

 

 

138 Responses to “i dont like the old testament”

  1. avatar
    Kohl Ette | 27 March 2014 at 8:33 pm #

    I don’t know or remember much of this either. The exaggerations did have an opposite effect on me as a child… well yes there was an initial shock reaction but it becomes blocked out and mostly forgotten. But even as a child I pretty much worked out it isn’t to be taken literally. I agree, Jesus is cool and relationship with God evolving, developing very personal thing. Maybe you have worked it all out more extensively than some but that’s up to the individual.

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    Jonn Blackwell | 27 March 2014 at 10:33 pm #

    But is the world ready for the Truth? I think so. Keep it coming Steve.

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      Anonymous | 28 March 2014 at 11:53 am #

      Yes that is the scary part. What will happen? What action will those hearts that are less merciful and forgiving take?

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    Jillian | 27 March 2014 at 11:35 pm #

    You are a very candid dude!! I am normally reluctant to be too candid on facebook. ..and yet I blab my little mouth off about everything…I grew up in a religious “cult”… (links to Waco-don’t ask)…I hated all the bullshite, but assimilated to fit in to a community…My mum and dad were in it, I think dad began to see it was a sham….this led to his expulsion from a community that had become family for him…meant the end of his family (me when I was 11). It was too much…he ended his life…I set out from then on to seek solid foundations…that could be tested/proven…so I would never be dictated to again and also, so I had the confidence to face the narcissists/molesters with powerful well constructed arguments that would confound and make them see their wrongdoing. When I left, I had the freedom to think, question and challenge fairytale nonsense!! I’m still quite vulnerable. ..But I’m free…happier and have the best friends on earth..I feel it’s my job on earth to educate people to be skeptical, challenge manmade belief systems/political ideologies..but to do it gently & with good humour/humility. Love your ponderings they make me reflect and think deeply about life…you should read some of Alain Botton’s work..you probably don’t need to. ..because you’re reflections about life are quite profound and deep..which suggests a real depth of life experience that not many people are fortunate to have…

  4. avatar
    Cocoamo | 28 March 2014 at 2:04 am #

    I think I am going to print this one out, and the next time someone starts preaching at me, hand it to them. I’ll tap the page and say, “What he said”, and go on my way. Guess I better print a few back-up copies.

    Thanks for putting it so well.

    Your Friend in Pennsylvania
    (Now in Cocoa Beach)

  5. avatar
    Ken | 28 March 2014 at 7:53 am #

    Admire your convictions as always, Steven John Kilbey. As a spiritual person myself, Jesus IS cool and The Truth is there but muddied and muddled by man-made laws and man-made preaching. Those have created the perfect recipe for unneeded wars/death/tragedy/fear. Not necessarily in that order.

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    Mike F. | 28 March 2014 at 11:12 am #

    Makes me think of a scene in episode 3 of HBO’s True Detectives.
    Click my name for the video.

    Marty Hart: I mean, can you imagine if people didn’t believe, what things they’d get up to?

    Rust Cohle: Exact same thing they do now. Just out in the open.

    Marty Hart: Bullshit. It’d be a fucking freak show of murder and debauchery and you know it.

    Rust Cohle: If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother, that person is a piece of shit; and I’d like to get as many of them out in the open as possible.

    Marty Hart: Well, I guess your judgment is infallible, piece-of-shit-wise. You think that notebook is a stone tablet?

    Rust Cohle: What’s it say about life, hmm? You gotta get together, tell yourself stories that violate every law of the universe just to get through the god damn day. Nah. What’s that say about your reality, Marty?

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    Anonymous | 28 March 2014 at 11:52 am #

    I am not the one seducing with song and words.
    I like the OT for it is a book of lessons that reveal the truths of history and the outcomes of those events from which one can learn not to repeat.
    It also reminds us that the musicians were the history makers and the truth tellers by their accounts. Although as i have said earlier i do not often agree with the acts and the heart action that lead to such despicable horrible events of the past that still go on today, the present. Without the OT it would be difficult to perceive the beginning point, to the end, and everything in between. I have discovered a very subtle hidden story (as well as the Obvious) that may only be MY interpretation, involving the beginning to the end. But it is difficult to ignore since God is a just God, a loving Father, full of grace and mercy. As He says ‘Nothing is impossible with Him’. Without the OT mixed with the new teachings of Jesus and the friends along the way, I may not have overcome and be still standing today. I agree the church corporation in its history has done more damage to our faith and bodies, then good, with its scaremongering and practices. It is good to see the tide changing and the lies that have been presented in the past now being confronted. Thank God, the popes can’t murder you and me. For God reminds I am safe in His hands and deeply loved. As many of you are or should I be more accurate and say as are all. But many choose not to accept such deep fulfilling love. Yr question – my answer. The world has stripped me of all its beauty and of what God intended it to be. Yes I still see the beauty of creation and the beauty in its people, but I now seek the vision of the 1000years of peace, and the new world and heavens, so that which brings one to sorrow is no more. I acknowledge God’s will and promises. From my recollection of the Job story it was not God who harmed Job. Satan/Lucifer/the Devil was the one who reaked havoc and disruption on the poor man. And what for? To test his FAITH. God may have allowed the events to happen, but He fully restored everything back to Job after his time of suffering and questioning. (the truth is who was really being put to the test?) It is a good example of lessons in life just how far the devil will go to prove a point and create pain and destruction in one’s life. The reading of this lesson enabled me to pray into situations and for better outcomes and to be better equipped. The biggest lie the devil ever gave is to have people believe he doesn’t exist. Is there a reason you are helping him on this quest? For even God of the OT spoke of Satan and to Satan, something along the lines of “Where have you been Satan?” “Oh you know roaming the earth to and fro (here & there)”. Theirs was once a strong relationship. See where jealousy can lead too. I guess as you know it all, the deceptions of the church and as you say the OT, you will have no need to read my book ‘How the Catholic Church gets it Wrong by a woman on God’s payroll’, when i eventually find the time to fine tune the details for it to be published. Apologies for writing an essay on your blog. I tried to minimise much of the content. And you have succeeded in taking me from my worship time this morning.

  8. avatar
    Chris | 28 March 2014 at 1:08 pm #

    I find the new terms ‘Jewish Testament’ for the OT and ‘Christian Testament’ for the NT useful in making a clear distinction between the two. Jesus was a Jew and grew out of the Israelite OT religion, but he completely revolutionised and reformed it. He also added completely new concepts such as agape/love. In my experience, fundamentalist Christians love the OT and the Book of Romans and avoid the rest coz it suits their ‘angry judgmental god’ stuff. Give me Jesus any day..and all the other religions as well. The ‘many lights but one lantern’ kind of thing…that the spiritual and the godhead are experienced and communicated in different ways according to people’s cultural history or understandings, but it’s the same spiritual Presence. It’s the same one ineffable God of all, you know, like Steve sings the Buddhist and Hindu saying ‘All is One’. That ultimately all is one. That it’s man who creates variation and difference, and maybe God does too, but our instinct is towards a perfect unity of things, isn’t it? Harmony…unity…peace. Lack of conflict…lack of destruction…and I think that most of the great world religions, if you look down into their heart, they actually proclaim that. Islam means peace. Buddhists strive for peace. Judaism has a similar greeting of peace to Islam…the Jews say ‘shalom’ and the Moslems say ‘salaam’…’May God’s peace be upon you’. Jesus said, ‘My peace I leave with you’, and too much in the world emphasizes difference and not enough people are emphasizing the commonalities…the deep unity that is there…don’t you think?

    • avatar
      Trudi Vestoucvic | 30 March 2014 at 1:41 pm #

      Maybe if some remote tribe in Patagonia also believed the same things but they don’t. Hello, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all from the same area and of course some of their words are going to be the same!
      Every religion believes in one thing – oh fuck we’re going to die but how can we die when I’m self aware so let’s make things nice and dream up what we consider to be good and call it god.
      Didn’t John Lennon sing “God is a concept by which we measure our pain”?
      He’s no god or guru either but some things ring true.

  9. avatar
    Eskaedor | 28 March 2014 at 1:33 pm #

    Rock n’ Roll is the devil’s music. We know this. Evil. Late nights watching nineteen fifty six six six inside a yellow square frame. Drug free, alcohol free. Cigarettes, sure ok. Time to move on. Let’s clear the dinner table and play cards or fuck. Maybe some Dungeons and Dragons. Okay okay okay okay… enough already. Let’s go outside and meet the neighbours. Some we don’t like, some don’t seem to like us. Is it because we said hello? Are they too busy? Am I too ugly? Do my social skills not compare with those of Christ? Maybe we should go back inside.

  10. avatar
    Anonymous | 28 March 2014 at 10:07 pm #

    Oh for fuck’s sake, there’s no god anywhere. None. It’s all bullshit. If the piggies in the farmyard shit think some daddy in the sky is looking out for them and they’ll be going to Sugar Candy Mountain when they die, does that mean they actually are? No. They’re heading for the abbatoir. And so are we. There’s no god, anywhere. You’re alone in a howling chaos. Suck it up. Move on.

    • avatar
      thetimebeing | 29 March 2014 at 1:34 pm #

      i disagree. i have encountered god. i have personally experienced god.

      • avatar
        Anonymous | 29 March 2014 at 5:37 pm #

        I’m with Steve I have been pulled from the fire (so to speak) by God that many times it is impossible to deny His hand in my life and the demons He has continually pulled off me who wished me harm.

        • avatar
          Anonymous | 31 March 2014 at 8:23 pm #

          Please explain to us why a non-interventionist god intervenes on your behalf but just sits back and watches atrocities happen daily throughout the rest of the world.

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            Anonymous | 1 April 2014 at 11:50 pm #

            Buy my book when its published. Or stay tuned for if or when I get my blogsite upand running. Or who knows God may even put me on a podium to explain it to the masses. Something im not looking foward to if this is His intention. But I accept it. Or you could go and read your bible like I had to and understand the bigger pictures going on and learn how to stand through the assaults of the devil.
            Words from a book ‘Credo’ given to me to read perhaps say it best. Erebert says, “everyday I do battle with the devils which tear against me. I give witness that one of the Lord’s weakest vessels can stand firm against the strongest fogrces which rise up against him.” But God himself says that He protects us more than we ever know. I have learnt to rebuke that which harms in the authority of Jesus Christ. Just as the archangel michael rebuked satan in days of old. And Jesus rebuked the waves when He wanted them to stop. I have learnt to use the teaching and authority Jesus gave His followers.
            Much of the world chooses not to acknowledge God as u can read by the varying views on this site. Then there are those who choose paganistic practices which allow harm into the community, whether they realise it or not. So who is not intervening, God or the choices of thyself, and the consequences of those choices.
            Alas, though, there is always that bit in the book of Revelations that I cannot ignore.

          • avatar
            Anonymous | 2 April 2014 at 12:20 am #

            Who would have thought that one moment in a park could bring so much revelation.

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          Anonymous | 1 April 2014 at 8:53 am #

          I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “my grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong. 2 Corinthians 12:7-10

          • avatar
            Anonymous | 2 April 2014 at 12:12 am #

            So what?
            What’s St. Paul got to do with Jesus?
            Apart from hijacking him and twisting his message to invent ‘Christianity’, that is?

          • avatar
            thetimebeing | 2 April 2014 at 7:47 am #

            yes

      • avatar
        Anonymous | 29 March 2014 at 7:01 pm #

        Shiva gave u an hour’s sleep, no?

      • avatar
        Cocoamo | 31 March 2014 at 3:08 pm #

        I would love to hear the story. Hope some day you write it down (or have you, anywhere?).

        Your Friend in Pennsylvania
        (Now in Cocoa Beach)

        • avatar
          Anonymous | 2 April 2014 at 12:11 am #

          Steve told us this story years ago, dude!

          • avatar
            Cocoamo | 2 April 2014 at 2:40 pm #

            Aw shucks!

          • avatar
            Anonymous | 3 April 2014 at 9:02 am #

            Steven only gives his version side of the experience what about the other characters version of the moments and the knitting together of the bigger picture.

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            Anonymous | 3 April 2014 at 10:29 pm #

            @Anon 9.02 – seeing as Steve met Shiva while asleep in rehab, I’m not sure who or what this ‘other character’s version’ could possibly be. Maybe you could ask Shiva when you go round for coffee?

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        Anonymous | 2 April 2014 at 12:54 am #

        Interesting once u have… Such as dying and then coming back or I am sure many other ways how truth becomes so clear, if any fear was ever there before, it goes away complete… That’s the power of god. No fear for yourself… Leaves u to pray for others. U want to tell them it will be okay, He’s got your back as long as u remember he’s a part of all futures too.

  11. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 29 March 2014 at 4:04 am #

    The Book of Isaiah is awesome and compelling and Genesis 1:29 espouses a vegan diet.

  12. avatar
    Moloch | 29 March 2014 at 10:09 am #

    Well, Yahweh (Jehovah) is a WAR god afterall!

  13. avatar
    Kohl Ette | 29 March 2014 at 10:50 pm #

    Dropped by
    came to say goodbye
    to the coast
    might be a while
    chose a single frangipani
    it’s with me here now
    but a touch browned off
    although its perfume
    intensifies
    almost turned back
    to leave on a little shrine
    but of course was selfish
    and made it ‘mine’
    so anyway
    tomorrow’s the day
    i go away
    i write this now
    a way of informal praying
    and saying
    maybe see you soon
    if not in this world
    maybe then
    even sooner!
    (this is sure to be lunar) 🙂

  14. avatar
    Chris | 30 March 2014 at 10:57 am #

    That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.

    ― Albert Einstein

    • avatar
      thetimebeing | 30 March 2014 at 2:27 pm #

      yes chris. and chris i see and feel god moving in you. your deep compassion. your calm. and your sadness at this mess humanity is in. you walk the taljk my dear friend. love on you man

  15. avatar
    Alex Cat | 30 March 2014 at 1:29 pm #

    You had me cheering you on: the oh so obvious elephant in the room; if “God” created Lucifer then God can de create him. If he knows everything that ever has and will be then why did he create him in the first place if he knew he was going to be such a problem? If he knows he eventually turns out good then why not just fast forward everything past that point? So stupid. Complete and utter rubbish. People who believe this shit are brainwashed by fear indoctrinated in them before they are taught to reason.
    But then you go and mention the need for yet ANOTHER personification of human altruism.
    We’ll always have to agree to disagree on that point I’m afraid.
    Church fans can be atheists as well.

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      Anonymous | 31 March 2014 at 5:39 am #

      Oh, an atheist – who believes in nothing (so it is said) and yet is capable of pondering & presenting such big questions. God who is omnipresence gave me a seat front & centre of 1 of the worlds biggest atheist at one of his talkshows. Nevee seen such a stunned look on his face as he stares srrsight at me. Couldn’t work out if he wss going to have to rethink the lies he has ever printed or God was giving him a message he didn’t want to hear.

  16. avatar
    Steven Krut | 31 March 2014 at 5:30 pm #

    It’s strange how people who are otherwise fully rational accept preposterous nonsense as the foundation of reality. There’s an entrenched system of indoctrination, but deeper than that there’s something about many humans that actually wants an authoritarian being ruling over the universe. The more authoritarian and assertive the doctrine is, the less scary uncertainty there is to cope with. People want a strongman telling them the way it is when it comes to uncertain and unsettling matters. Someone to shame us, someone to rule us, we want you Big Brother!

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    Kohl Ette | 31 March 2014 at 6:37 pm #

    pray for me i will pray for you. thank you if you did or do. I pray even in atheist phases. Dry prayer said Julian of Norwich is equally pleasing to god. God is your inner beauty and goodness i found in my heart of darkness for doubt is also faith. amen=women allelouia shalom.

  18. avatar
    andy | 1 April 2014 at 7:16 pm #

    ole time religion brings ’em flocking in don’t it.
    just be nice!
    accept diversity and show a bit of respect.
    simple.
    realy.

  19. avatar
    Michel | 2 April 2014 at 12:00 am #

    There must be a God if Steve Kilbey and Robyn Hitchcock are touring together !
    (or am I april’s fool ?).
    Suggested name for the tour :
    ” If you were a priest = aura”
    Suggested song for an encore jam :
    “Bass”

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    Anonymous | 2 April 2014 at 12:05 am #

    So some people say. Be blessed that I do not rebuke you this time.
    I don’t desire to share my moments, as my story belongs to me. But I know that I maybe forced to, for people like you.
    The surprise of those who will read, when they see all the connections of the people in this 360 degree journey coming full circle (so to speak)

    • avatar
      A nonny mouse | 2 April 2014 at 5:54 pm #

      Huh?
      Now we’re getting the real nutters speaking their sanctimonious rubbish.
      Sounds like this guy wants us to buy his book to find out the true story. Oh, the mystery!
      Give us all a break!

      • avatar
        Anonymous | 3 April 2014 at 9:07 am #

        Some people don’t like the truth. Guessing your one of them. Oh Lord, and here is my reasoning why I am happy to leave them behind. But it was not me who sacrificed my life for all as you did on the cross.

        • avatar
          Ride Fan | 3 April 2014 at 6:32 pm #

          “I don’t care about the truth” – Leave them all Behind

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        Anonymous | 4 April 2014 at 6:07 pm #

        a nonny mouse yr response to msge at 1205am, which was written in response to anon at 0825 on 310314. and so …
        Maybe sanctimonious rubbish to you. It is a reality to me. Whenever the witches at work assaulted me with their spiritual filth. I would REBUKE the situation in the authority of JC. At least seven of them operated in these practices. I was not always sure which one it came from, though sometimes they aligned to make the hit stronger. But by the end of the shift, it was usually the one who left in tears, that is presumed it came from. I figured God spoke to them re: the rebuking of the situation. They often made me quite ill. One of these times I was so ill after their continual assaults upon my person all day, that I barely had enough strength to drive home. I showered, and lay on the couch praying for deliverance over the next few hours. I had somewhere to be that night. If the Lord wanted me there, He needed to provide me with the strength and enough wellbeing. I advised him I needed a chair as I was too weak to stand the full length of the event. On my arrival, all ticketholders were advised the standing event had been moved to another room in the complex and would now be seated. Much to the disappointment of another who wanted to boogie their shoes off as the night played tribute to many good songs by a good Aussie band. The words carried on the wind was ‘that I had fought death that night’. Despite my weakness, it was an interesting night with a few too many coincidences in similarities of spoken words from past circumstances.

  21. avatar
    Kohl Ette | 2 April 2014 at 8:18 am #

    I have the sense that it is through Jesus’ associates… that includes us all, like em or not that we appreciate both Jesus’ humanity and godliness and our own humanity and spirit. From certain experiences, the holy spirit is pretty cool too!

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    Chris | 2 April 2014 at 10:26 am #

    Right back at ya Steven! Looking forward to the Freo gig! Pax

  23. avatar
    Tim | 2 April 2014 at 3:57 pm #

    I just bought a terrace in Mansfield Street. What number were you at back in the day? Just checking for slow cracks. Tim

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    Anonymous | 3 April 2014 at 2:05 am #

    Manipulation… Finding need to… Is confusion. Stay within the good. No manipulation necessary. Otherwise, it consumes the manipaulator. A lie is a manipulation. Fear follows. Hard habit to let go of, but well worth the effort. God bless

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      Anonymous | 3 April 2014 at 9:00 am #

      One of the first steps to finding the freedom, is to stop the lieing. For it is written the father of lies is the devil john8:44

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        thetimebeing | 3 April 2014 at 12:32 pm #

        and the father of the devil is jehovah

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          Anonymous | 3 April 2014 at 1:37 pm #

          That is true. And what will be the final outcome of that.

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          Anonymous | 3 April 2014 at 10:31 pm #

          Satan’s not even in the Old Testament, though – he’s a much later theological construct. But I see what you mean and you’re right.

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            Anonymous | 4 April 2014 at 6:00 pm #

            I like to simplify things. My life is complicated enough. you can be technical if you like.(the only thing I am technical about with the bible is that the word catholic does not appear anywhere in there). But for me anything before Matthew is OT(including the prophets) and anything after that is NT & revelations is revelations. (Steve may have 100 guitars all with different names, a muso requires the detail of instrument. I as a listener just know the guitars he plays give out beautiful music with his assistance, and in my ignorance of musical instruments, the only other thing I could tell you is colour. But as I have no desire to play an instrument, I don’t feel the need to know the technicalities. makes listening more enjoyable.)I may not be able to immediately pinpoint exactly where a verse is. though I know it is more important to know that it is in there and the interpretation and direction of what is being said or taught. old prophet zechariah 3:2 speaks of satan. and Jude 1:9 is where the archangel says “the Lord rebuke you Satan.”

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            Anonymous | 4 April 2014 at 10:39 pm #

            No, Anon. 6.00, the original Hebrew word ‘adversary’ was replaced by the name ‘Satan’, when the Bible was translated into English many, many centuries later. It’s a deliberate insertion to twist the original meaning in order to serve the purposes of the Church. You don’t know much about this stuff, do you, Anon 6.00?

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            Anonymous | 5 April 2014 at 8:06 am #

            The devil is known by many names. Adversary /oppressor / lucifer / satan. Just to list a few. Chameolon of chameolon’s is he not.

          • avatar
            thetimebeing | 5 April 2014 at 10:14 am #

            why did god make this nasty character?

          • Kraig
            Kraig | 9 April 2014 at 7:22 pm #

            What was the origin of Lucifer? What responsible position did he hold? How does the Bible describe him?

            http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4979/t/did-god-create-the-devil.aspx

            “Thou wast created.” Ezekiel 28:13, 15. “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth.” Ezekiel 28:14. “Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty … every precious stone was thy covering … the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. … Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” Ezekiel 28:12-15.

            Answer: Lucifer was created by God, as were all other angels (Ephesians 3:9). Lucifer was a “covering” cherub, or angel. One great angel stands on the left side of God’s throne and another on the right (Psalms 99:1). Lucifer was one of those highly exalted angel leaders. Lucifer’s beauty was flawless and breathtaking. His wisdom was perfect. His brightness was awe-inspiring. Ezekiel 28:13 seems to indicate that his throat was specially prepared to make him an outstanding musician. Some think he led the angelic choir.

          • Kraig
            Kraig | 9 April 2014 at 7:25 pm #

            …as I was always told, the devil was crated and fell from heaven, was created as good but became evil, God did not intend this, as with all of our sins, this is the same ideal

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        999 | 4 April 2014 at 5:53 pm #

        OH MY LORD!

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        Sandra Everingham | 4 April 2014 at 6:01 pm #

        I think someone thinks this is a “church” page not a “Church” page!

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          Anonymous | 4 April 2014 at 9:13 pm #

          I’ve often wondered more times than I can count on both hands – how is it that out of all the bands in the world – this group of band members got to call theirs ‘The Church’?

          Perhaps they go hand in hand.

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            Sandra Everingham | 5 April 2014 at 8:10 am #

            Steve called this “I don’t like the Old Testament”.
            I think THAT says it all!
            I have even known another girl’s religious father who forbad her to play “The Church” as he considered it sacrilegious.
            “The Church” I take it with over 30 years of listening, are into exploring other states of consciousness that sometimes overlap “religious” experience but that does not necessarily mean, especially in a (thankfully!) secular country like Australia that they in themselves tie themselves down to a particular religion like Christianity or anything else.
            Keep your dirty Christianity hands off our Church!

          • avatar
            thetimebeing | 5 April 2014 at 10:14 am #

            ha ha

        • avatar
          Anonymous | 4 April 2014 at 10:42 pm #

          No, Sandra, the opposite – ‘the Church’ (capital C) is the religious organisation, while ‘the church’ (no capitals) is the band. Ask Steve, he knows.

          • avatar
            Sandra Everingham | 5 April 2014 at 8:13 am #

            The reason I would take it that we are arguing over capitals is because Steve Kilbey is a poor humble poet of little material means but IS a legal entity whilst something like the Catholic church is a billion dollar business that can’t be sued for child molestation because it isn’t a legal entity!
            With money comes Capitals!

          • avatar
            Anonymous | 5 April 2014 at 11:50 am #

            Would love to make comment direct comment to 0810am and steve’s HaHa but I am forbidden, for more reasons than one.

          • avatar
            Anonymous | 5 April 2014 at 11:56 am #

            Oh Lord that is so not fair. You keep my sharing of comments locked away for the right time. And i have such a doozy re whose hands on who. Until the next time.

  25. avatar
    Anonymous | 3 April 2014 at 3:13 am #

    Hail, Satan!
    (throws Ronnie Dio devil horns, etc).

  26. avatar
    Boriah | 4 April 2014 at 1:02 am #

    I worship Baal, I worship the sun, I worship the son of the Evil One.

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 4 April 2014 at 10:44 pm #

      You worship one thing only, Boriah, and we all know what it is!

      • avatar
        Boriah | 7 April 2014 at 8:28 pm #

        Eddie Van Halen, perhaps???

        PD: show yourself asshole.

    • Kraig
      Kraig | 9 April 2014 at 7:21 pm #

      ..let me go on one condition, and then I came back on my native shore, then they didn’t want to play this anymore…

  27. avatar
    Kohl Ette | 4 April 2014 at 3:29 pm #

    peeps!

  28. avatar
    Honnold | 4 April 2014 at 7:51 pm #

    I don’t believe in God. I have yet to find a geographical, religious, etc. group of humans that are particularly compelling in my limited experience, but I do believe some very great people are scattered about. I usually avoid social media. Nothing to promote. But, I have set up an alias on facebook and started making snarky comments on the pages of Republican politicians. I feel a bit dirty afterwards, but I feel like they have been crossing the line for so long now and I’ve never said anything. Maybe I’m doing it for the wrong reasons and have posted on this more cordial, civilized Time Being board to confess my pettiness. Or maybe urge like-minded individuals to join me in bum-rushing these foolish bastards’ show. The people on these Republican boards don’t take well to criticism, either. A couple quotes like “Brownie, you’re doin’ a heckuva a job!” and they try to make it personal real fast. That’s how I know they’re probably in the wrong. That and they can’t string together a coherent sentence.

  29. avatar
    Honnold | 4 April 2014 at 7:58 pm #

    Forgot to add… Jillian, very interesting post. Having grown up in a cult you’ve seen some of the worst of human nature: it’s manipulativeness, coercion. Hopefully, that hardship has helped you avoid pitfalls later in life by cutting through the bullshit.

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 4 April 2014 at 10:45 pm #

      Worst of human nature? Manipulation, coercion, hardship? Sounds like the average nuclear family, to me!

      • avatar
        Honnold | 6 April 2014 at 7:24 am #

        Exactly. I was thinking the same thing as I read Jillian’s post. But no less compelling.

  30. avatar
    Anonymous | 4 April 2014 at 10:48 pm #

    Scientist on BBC Radio 4 in 2012, during a discussion on the paranormal:
    “I wouldn’t believe that, even if it WERE true!”
    Says it all, really.

  31. Kraig
    Kraig | 5 April 2014 at 7:47 am #

    People that don’t believe in God bore me thinking it’s a fairy tale…i mean why would you not have one ounce of hope or belief? What went wrong in your life? It boggles my mind how someone could not believe in any supreme being of some sort just as much as your mind is boggled i suppose.

    God or not, entity or not, maybe the Universe is God, but the human mind just cannot comprehend such thoughts and will never comprehend it. Why not just have some hope in the meantime, you don’t have to go to church, have a religion, just hope that you will be saved in the meantime.

    It’s a big downer to go through life not believing in anything, especially a God or even believing in yourself. I myself believe there is a God and there’s been times he’s come through and times he was too busy, but for theory purposes if there isn’t one, then at least you lived a good life with rules and regulations and a conscience. God(s) and religion keep the human race in check. It’s a good thing! If everyone on this Earth went around with no belief in some God, Power, or Jesus to keep them in line… or not believing in ANYTHING then we are all fucked! Would be a free for all; war, theft, murder like you wouldn’t believe, and NO HOPE for humanity. These things go on not because God isn’t listening, they go on because there is true evil in this World like anyone, God is not perfect either, he or she does good when they can do good, like us, made in his image, do good when we can but we cannot always do so. That’s my 2 cents

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 5 April 2014 at 9:24 am #

      Dude, we ARE all fucked. Man up. Face it. Move on.

      • avatar
        DP | 5 April 2014 at 11:04 am #

        Anonymous Dud you’re double fucked. Can’t move on when you say there’s no God, since after you die you will not move on.

    • avatar
      im with this guy | 6 April 2014 at 1:04 am #

      Stopping for a moment to pray… Wouldn’t it be nice for everyone if we trusted enough to truly believe in something other than ourselves. who brought that smile into this room after everything else?

    • avatar
      Honnold | 6 April 2014 at 7:30 am #

      I wouldn’t exactly judge intellects on one’s “ability” to believe in God. A fantastic movie on the subject of faith is “The Rapture” which starred Mimi Rogers and David Duchovny. Highly recommend.

    • avatar
      Honnold | 6 April 2014 at 7:33 am #

      Also not believing in God does not preclude believing in other things such as oneself.

  32. avatar
    Anonymous | 5 April 2014 at 1:59 pm #

    I think I’m turning Japanese.

  33. avatar
    Anonymous | 5 April 2014 at 4:09 pm #

    I’ll be dead, guy – no heaven OR hell. Gone. You will be too.

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 5 April 2014 at 10:31 pm #

      Funny. Just read yr post & song popped in2 my head. ‘I’m on my way 2 heaven we shall not be moved. Just like a tree…’
      Also noted later comment JF is available only by download.

  34. avatar
    Anonymous | 5 April 2014 at 5:37 pm #

    grrr. I paid $20, downloaded for four hours until my lappy crashed; recharged for sixty bucks; now I “don’t have permission” to access my file. Can’t you just snail mail my Jack Frost Tour vid?

  35. avatar
    Kohl Ette | 5 April 2014 at 11:50 pm #

    Hey Steve! How yo doin man/bro? I wanna let yo know i ant forgortten yo. Everone here is real friendly but respeckful. Well mostly. Know wha i ‘m syin? sayin’? Well anyways this is a real eye opener. Was blahnd but now ah see. Lord keep us
    safe. Ah walk in trust here. Wha else kin a paw gal do? But ah miss ya n so lonesome in some ways n home sack. Well hon i jis wanna thank yo n hope yo doin alrart! 🙂 <3 (lerv)

  36. avatar
    revgreene | 6 April 2014 at 4:25 pm #

    Time to roll out that old wisecrack – “Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac ? – stayed up all night wondering if there is a dog”

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 7 April 2014 at 8:48 am #

      It is often the funniest thought that God spelt backwards is dog. And who do they say is man’s best friend. And who is able to love a human being unconditionally in this world. As they sit patiently at thy feet, or looking at the front door waiting for the one to come home.

      • avatar
        thetimebeing | 7 April 2014 at 11:16 am #

        thats probably the worst and most inane comment i ever fucking read!

        • avatar
          Cocoamo | 7 April 2014 at 12:56 pm #

          Hee hee.

        • avatar
          Anonymous | 9 April 2014 at 7:53 am #

          It’s just an observation.
          I’m not an animal person, although I wouldn’t hurt then. With exception of insects.
          I don’t understand how some people can treat their dogs better than another human being.
          I have watched that some people who feel they lack love from others or shun the love of others and from God. Get wrapped up in the love of their dogs. Unlike humans if a dog usually gets fed at 7pm & doesn’t get fed till midnight. It doesn’t hold a grudge and will still coming running to greet their owner at the door.

        • avatar
          Anonymous | 9 April 2014 at 8:36 am #

          As if God knew some of us would be unable to express unconditional love to others because of their actions or perhaps who they are or how they look. Everyone deserves to know love unconditionally and experience. Our hardness of heart prevents sharing this at times with all. It is as if God uses the animal to say you are not alone I Am with you.
          I have always had God so it is not something I need. But I am also fully aware of family members pets jumping for joy at my arrival at the front door.

  37. avatar
    Anonymous | 7 April 2014 at 7:52 am #

    Was aiming for 100 comments on yr blogpost. As I checked this morn – 1 off at 99.
    God bless you all, keep you safe and guide you in the right direction. Amen. Keep smiling 🙂

  38. avatar
    Anonymous | 7 April 2014 at 8:45 am #

    Smart man that brother of yours. Getting you to start your own blog site all those years ago. Guessing you are well equipped in the technicalities of the software and editing and uploading of your creative work.
    I on the other hand am slightly overwhelmed at the task ahead. Little by little, step by step, I will have the words presented for all to see.

  39. avatar
    Anonymous | 7 April 2014 at 10:08 am #

    Death is the end. Grow the fuck up.

    • avatar
      thetimebeing | 7 April 2014 at 11:15 am #

      thanks for the benefit of your experience and wise words

    • Kraig
      Kraig | 9 April 2014 at 4:50 am #

      Anonymous…If death is the end then why is there a Spirit World out there and it’s been proven, seen, and felt with my own senses. It’s also on a lot of tv lately. Orbs in photos, paralaysis in sleep, messages from beyond, my keys moving in the night, on and on, i can go on with just my own experiences and photos. So sad you guys who don’t believe never experienced this in your life or are not in tune with the spirit world. Maybe then you would understand and believe. With this Spirit World then there is some supreme being somewhere or some transfer of energy from this life to the next realm. That energy existence is my God, or mabye all gods, or your belief.

      P.S. Why so many Anonymous posts on this blog? People afraid to be real with their belief? God does say if you truly believe to no fear your beliefs even if it’s not believing. But how is not believing a belief i say?

      • avatar
        Anonymous | 9 April 2014 at 11:49 pm #

        Orbs?! For fuck’s sake. It’ll be ectoplasm and automatic writing next. Wake up, you docile clod.

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 9 April 2014 at 7:58 am #

      You tell that to Peaches Geldof. I on the other hand beleive she would have made it home to heaven. What a beautiful girl from the shorts I saw on telly. It saddened me to see a life with so much to offer cut short.

      • Kraig
        Kraig | 9 April 2014 at 2:55 pm #

        Guess God gave her a different agenda in life, I believe that people who leave this life early are chosen because they either did something right and changed the World for the better, or God has some different agenda. Plus genetics and the vessel we are born with sometimes doesn’t operate up to par, hence why the human body fails at times and it’s not Gods fault. We are not perfect in any way.

        • avatar
          Anonymous | 10 April 2014 at 7:52 pm #

          One UK paper is stAting she was caught up in a ‘black arts’ cult.

      • Kraig
        Kraig | 9 April 2014 at 2:57 pm #

        P.S. It is sad to see this happen so young in life. What a shame. May she prosper in the afterlife

  40. avatar
    Chris | 7 April 2014 at 11:17 pm #

    …wow! 106 comments! Who said people aren’t interested in religion anymore?

    ‘Why did God create Satan?’ Good question sk…the problem of evil….why does a loving God allow it? Many ideas: St. Paul’s kinda clever – if we didn’t know evil we wouldn’t know what good is. Free will – to know evil and to be able to choose it is to be like God….sign of our sacred godly nature. Evil exists and seeks to attack love, peace and goodness…it just is, we don’t know why because we mortals can’t know everything, but being aware that it is real encourages us to strive daily to establish love, peace and harmony in place of hatred, destruction and disunity….God’s will and desire for the creation.

    Pax

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 8 April 2014 at 10:51 am #

      What possible use is a non-interventionist God?!

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 9 April 2014 at 8:04 am #

      Same reason He created you & me & all of us.
      For His pleasure.
      What satan had wasn’t enough for him,
      s wanted more,
      s wanted control.

  41. avatar
    John Garratt | 8 April 2014 at 2:37 am #

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 9 April 2014 at 8:09 am #

      Enjoyed the comedy. Hopefully no-one who was in the audience at that gig has not died from his spoken word prayed. (I prayed interventional prayers to his testing) Beware of the spoken word that speaks harm into anothers life.

  42. avatar
    Chris | 8 April 2014 at 1:25 pm #

    How cool is this!! I asked a bunch of 14 yr olds what they thought about ‘God’. This is what some of them wrote:

    • God silently watches over everything and everyone. Some people believe that God is a spiritual being, and others think he is ‘make believe’, meaning he is just a thought up answer to many of the universe’s toughest questions. I have been brought up with the idea that God exists, and heaven is where good people mystically go after they die.
    • Everyone has different ideas and theories about whether God exists or not. The main beliefs are still there, such as God is omnipotent or he/she is infinite and timeless. Whether you call him/her God, Allah or even believe in science, everyone has a God or religion.
    • What is God? Who is God? Where is God? God is all-knowing (omniscient) and omnipresent. He can be in any place at any time. God is spaceless and timeless. We look to God for guidance, acceptance and reliance. Many people in life wonder about the meaning of life, and where we’ll go after life on planet earth. We need to find God; he will tell us what will happen after we leave earth. He will also tell us what will happen whilst we are on earth. God exists; we just need to reach out to him and he will guide us towards the right choices in life.
    • God is an almighty ruler who is the father of the world. People believe that he lives in the sky, but I believe that he lives next to us every day, showing us what we need to be doing. God is invisible. People who love God can see him.
    • God is known all over the world. He has many names, forms and powers. God is the love in the world, and the peace. There is only one God but his name varies: Zeus, Allah, Jesus, Love, Compassion, Faith and all things positive. But God’s word has been misread too; people fight and wage war to prove that their God is the one and only.
    • Many people throughout the world believe in God. God is and infinite and timeless spirit that people can rely on and call upon in times of desperate need.
    • God is unfathomable. It is the essential nature of God to be infinitely more than we as humans can comprehend. He must have all knowledge and have created all of existence. This is the most basic of logic.
    • God is often perceived as the Supreme Being and principal object of faith. Sadly, due to the society we live in today, so many people are apathetic about religion, but specifically about God, meaning that they show no interest or concern for God. God’s love is infinite. God loves us more than anything.
    • God is like chocolate, sweet and forgiving. God always forgives you if you do something wrong because God is really cool and he has swag. God is always nice and talks to you in a special way. God is too nice to be human because he has endless patience and caring. God is my friend.

  43. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 April 2014 at 5:13 pm #

    There’s no Tooth Fairy either, guys.

    • avatar
      Cocoamo | 8 April 2014 at 10:20 pm #

      Aw shucks!

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 9 April 2014 at 8:11 am #

      Shoosh u. I always got my 20c or 50c in my glass of water.

  44. avatar
    Possible Imposter | 8 April 2014 at 6:34 pm #

    Can’t let these Christians get the last word.

  45. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 April 2014 at 8:17 am #

    So is my word that goes out from my mouth: it will not return to me empty but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose from which I sent it… isaiah 55:11

    • avatar
      Possible Imposter | 9 April 2014 at 5:59 pm #

      As I said, can’t let these Christians get the last word!

    • avatar
      Possible Imposter | 16 April 2014 at 8:43 am #

      “And so is my fart that goes out of my arse: it will not return to me empty but will accomplish and achieve the purpose from which it was sent….” Imbecillis 23:13

  46. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 April 2014 at 8:30 pm #

    Steve just play the guitar

  47. avatar
    Possible Imposter | 16 April 2014 at 8:38 am #

    Can’t let these Christians get the last word in…..

  48. avatar
    Kohl Ette | 16 April 2014 at 4:20 pm #

    ‘Fairies dont do poohs’ Fairly common sense


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