posted on April 19, 2014 at 1:54 pm
easterly breeze

easterly breeze

its almost impossible to talk about this character jesus

everything has been said

much evil has been perpetrated in his name probably more evil than good has come of jesus and his mythos

witches burnt crusades waged with loads of dirty fighting

continents invaded ransacked and converted torturing and maiming over ideological differences

the christians of the western world have murdered millions all in the name of the prince of peace

could any one of these rampaging bloodthirsty popes seriously have read the gospels..?

their behaviour is the very antithesis of Jesus’ life

finally the corrupt churches have preyed on children

they have manipulated the peoples anxieties

they have grown to be fat and powerful and gold-loving monsters

i exhort my readers to not blame this on Jesus

they called Jesus the man of sorrows

but his greatest sorrow surely is not his own crucifixion

but the fact that this scum has used his teachings

which espouse ahimsa and charity and mercy

to perpetrate the horrors the christian organisations have unleashed

now go and read the fucking bible!

go on can you see what is happening in these pages..?

being somewhat of a minor expert in all things myth and ancient world

seeing how i have read the koran and the gita and srimad bhagavatam

and the iliad and the odyssey and the norse myths

and ive read the (not so) good book a few times too

and i have delved deep into these subjects

and i am naturally interested in these things

so for whatever its worth here is my easter take

everyone who wrote about christ wrote long after his death

there are no first hand accounts they are stories passed down and around

they are surely have been elaborated on

there are 4 gospels each writer talks about bits of the story the others dont mention

the stories were surely manipulated and altered and mistranslated

one cannot simply take the stories about jesus as gospel

i reiterate that matthew mark luke and johnny never met Jesus

He is only once mentioned in history (i think but may be wrong)

there are already many other heroes who are born 25 dec and who are killed and reborn

A lot of Jesus’ story is obfuscated in accretion, yes it’s true

a lot of the rationales have been added on by the churches hundreds of years later

ok get ready for my main point here

it isnt about jesus

it’s about his message

his message somehow manages to survive through all of the above

some continuity of thought just like the buddha’s

and here again one wonders if Jesus had heard Buddha’s message

Jesus’ parables certainly resemble Buddha’s sutras

Using simple stories about farmers and families and livestock

Jesus and Buddha were able to get across subtle but important spiritual ideas

to the great confused woolly-headed masses who have trouble understanding

they still do

Jesus himself whoever he was or wasn’t is always de-emphasising himself

there are a few grandiose statements however which atheists always quote

yet i wonder which pope or catholic hack may have stuck those words in his mouth

Jesus is not about Jesus Its about his message

his message is basically to be kind to each other

read his message and think about it

dont be distracted by all the hoo-ha and bullshit

that has circulated by cynical charlatans of emperors and popes

chucked in there to give them leverage over us: the proletariat.

They have raped and plundered and molested and murdered us for 2000 years

i ask you to read the gospels and see how they got all of this out of that

Jesus offered people  a new way to lead our lives

he suggested peace and love

he was like johnny lennon who also got taken down for saying the same thing

People, it is the song not the singer

it doesn’t matter who you believe Christ may be or may not be.. can you live by his words?

can you inculcate love and empathy for the old and poor and dispossessed?

can you share what you have?

do you disdain wealth and realise its potential for corruption of the soul?

do you abstain from violence and cruelty?

can you forgive and can you show mercy?

this is what Jesus is about

he does not demand belief from you

that is such a pointless stupid exercise

believe in me …!

what the fuck does that mean or prove?

jesus exhorts you to be a good person

and he explains in easy to understand ways why you should be

only his words matter

focus on his advice for a successful life and a successful planet

and wonder at how his message has been perverted

and turned into witchtrials and holy wars

and then imagine if everybody was playing by jesus rules

and doing as they would be done by

thats all jesus’ message is

be nice

it all boils down to that

all the rest is something stuck on there by some other untrustworthy cat

ps dont read St Paul

hes no saint he’s a murdering bastard dickhead aggrandising himself in JC’s name

in fact he’s an early example of how it all goes so wrong so fast

i hate him

and so would have Jesus

you can take my word for it

happy easter sk bondi saturday arvo

160 Responses to “i like (some of) the new testament”

  1. avatar
    Anonymous | 19 April 2014 at 5:29 pm #

    True. Christians aren’t interested in following the teachings of Jesus. They’re interested in worshipping the Risen Christ.

  2. avatar
    Anonymous | 19 April 2014 at 6:48 pm #

    Gotta love ya Steve. Haven’t read yr words yet as I am presently scoffing my dinner. But love yr pic. Brings a nice smile to a nice celebratory Record Store Day.

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    Anonymous | 19 April 2014 at 7:32 pm #

    Oh Steven your a sorry tale.

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    DavidP | 19 April 2014 at 10:06 pm #

    I like your whittling it down to its essence here sk.
    More of a New Testament kind of person myself than the Old Testament.
    Although there’s things to understand in the OT such as the patience of Job.
    The OT is more “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth”.
    Jesus came and changed that to “do unto others…”.
    If you read the third part to that book I gave you Flight of the Feathered Serpent you will apparently get a first hand account of Jesus, have a read,
    I recommend it!
    Now don’t be angry at Paul you silly billy, take yer own advice!
    Although Paul’s version is what became popular and thus the “religion”,
    it helped make Christianity mainstream and with it the general story of the path of the Christ and some of his sayings all of which contains good advice but also an esoteric side for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear. Maybe Paul was just playing a role so that Christ’s messages would still reach into the present day and beyond?

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      thetimebeing | 19 April 2014 at 10:21 pm #

      and what about the people he killed and persecuted?

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        DavidP | 19 April 2014 at 10:30 pm #

        no doubt he paid a price for that if it is true

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        Anonymous | 20 April 2014 at 1:42 am #

        That was b4 he accepted Jesus and the truth the way and the life. Paul who was Saul “why do u persecute me”. I too have some issues with Paul’s teachings. But God uses all if us in many different ways for the growth benefit of others. You missed a lot of what Jesus is offering. More than just a nice guy. More on this later.

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 20 April 2014 at 5:33 am #

      Steve’s right – there aren’t ANY first hand accounts of Jesus. Don’t you people know anything about this stuff?

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    Sam | 19 April 2014 at 11:13 pm #

    I just finished reading a book called “Zealot” by Reza Aslan. It’s a historical analysis of Jesus, the gospels, Paul, and the Roman appropriation of his message, which true message Aslan argues was mostly an attempt to rebel and deliver the Jews out or the hands of the Romans, and that he was killed because of sedition. Fascinating (IMO) regardless of a person’s faith or lack of it, and not out of line with some of your thoughts in this blog, though he speaks more about the history to understand what the message was and not what he postulates it became via Paul.

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      Anonymous | 20 April 2014 at 8:54 pm #

      Tacitus never visited Palestine. It is NOT a first hand account. Josephus mentioned the FOLLOWERS of Jesus, decades after Jesus’s death. That’s also not a first hand account. Wake up, halfwits!

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    Kohl Ette | 19 April 2014 at 11:38 pm #

    Aah youre so much like him

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    Chris | 20 April 2014 at 12:43 am #

    The Bondi Prophet holds forth again…thank God! Nice card sk! Pax of Peace and Love onya for Easter! Jesus Rocks! And so does sk!

  8. avatar
    eekie | 20 April 2014 at 5:03 am #

    I’m just in it for the chocolate.

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    Kohl Ette | 20 April 2014 at 8:12 am #

    Anyone can be a first hand account of yesu if they want

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      Anonymous | 22 April 2014 at 7:17 pm #

      Only if they actually met or saw the historical Jesus.
      Jesus was a human being, not some pre-existent supernatural entity in disguise, who’s still floating around in a celestial chatroom.
      No one who ever met or saw Jesus wrote an account of him.
      None that’ve survived or have even ever been alluded to, anyway.

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    Chris | 20 April 2014 at 9:17 am #

    There are at least two eye-witness accounts of Jesus…. by a Jewish historian: Josephus, and a Roman historian: Tacitus. There is more historical evidence for the life of Jesus than for Caesar or Plato….intriguing….

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      Anonymous | 23 April 2014 at 1:49 am #

      Nope. Neither Tacitus nor Josephus ever met or saw Jesus.
      So how could either of them write a first-hand account?

  11. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 April 2014 at 2:29 pm #

    Happy Easter sk,

    Hope the Bunny bought you lots of chockie eggs.
    I was lucky he treated me to a lot of goodies.

    Enjoy the break.

    Peace & love
    Therese

  12. avatar
    Mark Wingler | 20 April 2014 at 3:02 pm #

    Hmm.. Paul a dickhead? Well he certainly made a transformation from a dickhead and here is historical perspective to support this. Your harsh judgement is certainly not Christ like. There is, IN FACT; loads of supportive Archaeological evidence for the birth, life and death for Christ that carbon dates to his period of existence. Not buying or selling here. NO you’re not an expert Steve, nor a minor master.. 🙂

    Try to treat others with respect sir Steven. For your words..

    Tsk tsk.. Such a disappointment.

    • avatar
      thetimebeing | 20 April 2014 at 3:29 pm #

      my harsh judgement? what about his killing people. thats harsh my man

      • avatar
        Mark Wingler | 20 April 2014 at 10:08 pm #

        Actually his change came about in religious transformation. You change don’t you, my man? Sometimes for the positive? Jesus is about forgiveness and kindness. Paul a biblical statement on what the teachings of Christ can inspire. Change and goodness.

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        hmmm | 20 April 2014 at 11:38 pm #

        Cambodia… The kr was a zealot fringe of buddah, more current? Sri Lanka and Burma… B monks lead in the killings and other torments of Muslims… Further back ? Since nobody can help who they are due to previous karma, monks would direct beatings of young peasant boys and other things to hasten their humility… And I think the first writing in b was about 400 yrs after the fact… Though, as with other religiions including Hinduism, they don’t like you talking about the truth so much as the official picture. Kinda sad… Think today of st. Mother T… Had she been able to sway the Vatican to not resell the billions in vaccinations donated to save those children from death, she would not have to hold all of those children and prayed for them as they died…. But at least lucky for them, she and her missionaries were allowed yrly vaccinations so they would not perish so they could continue their work. So today I pray for pope Fragncis… Maybe he can change the Vatican. That would be good and then, all religions would find hope to be better. That would be pretty

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          Anonymous | 23 April 2014 at 1:50 am #

          How do atrocities carried out by Buddhists and Muslims excuse those carried out by Christians? Irrelevant, mate.

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            but then | 23 April 2014 at 10:45 pm #

            you remember the past to not make the same mistakes; not live in/use as an excuse to be irrelevant.

            awhile back – someone worked for’s relative stole a paycheck (from me); when I quit, the person worked for thought he’d paid me, had to take him to court… came up that the check did have that other’s handwriting all over the endorsement… that person’s excuse? he was okay to do what he’d done cuz 100s of years earlier [my] race had made his race slaves… ‘wait a minute, I was born 20 some yrs ago… I never hurt you so something’s wrong with you that you want to use a history neither of us was never apart of to blame your evil on me.’

  13. avatar
    Steven Krut | 20 April 2014 at 3:11 pm #

    Matthew, Mark, Luke and John didn’t even write the gospels to which they are ascribed. The true authors are unknown. But it makes for a better story to say these prestigious men wrote them, doesn’t it? Christianity is full of nonsense like that designed to make the narrative more compelling. My pet peeve is the Trinity, which is nothing more than a very earthly diplomatic compromise designed to unify the squabbling factions of the church. It doesn’t even make any sense. You can’t tell Christians this, though. They say you have to take it on faith. If I’m going to have faith in something, it’s not going to be in some 1st century political maneuver to consolidate power.

    I find the possibility that Jesus was influenced by Buddhist teachings VERY intriguing. It’s actually easier to believe this than all the nonsensical embellishments the Christian church has spewed forth.

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      hmmm | 21 April 2014 at 12:12 am #

      U are Translating too closely specific. It/they are the gospel “according to”… I don’t believe many if any attribute the writing directly to the saints … Kind of like with buddah, those writings were composed hundreds of years after his death too.

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        Steven Krut | 21 April 2014 at 12:10 pm #

        I think most Christians are under the impression that the gospels were actually written by Mark, Luke, etc. I’ve heard countless sermons where the preacher, when analyzing scripture for the congregation (or TV audience), says something like, “So what Luke is telling us here is…” What’s more, a surprising number of Christians think the gospel writers were disciples of Jesus.

        We have more certainty about what the Buddha said because Buddhist monks obsessively chanted his sayings thousands of times a day to preserve them. Maybe there was some drift in the exact wording of these sayings over the centuries, but what survived to get written down is probably pretty close to what the Buddha actually said.

  14. avatar
    Michel | 20 April 2014 at 5:55 pm #

    St Paul…
    I have been baptized and did first communion in a St Paul’s church.
    Later I moved to St Steven’s church.
    St Paul is still a strong influence anyway, for the gospels he wrote along with St John, St George and St Ringo.
    Amen,
    Happy easter/St record store day !

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 21 April 2014 at 1:24 am #

      Me too.. under the sea in an octopus’ garden… In the shade! Most philosophically beautiful song they ever released. Blessed be st. Ringo. Have tics to sir Paul. I’ll be a newbie… Though all stars do smile

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    Chris | 20 April 2014 at 7:04 pm #

    Wow S Krut….this ‘nonsensical’ story has managed to convince 2.5 billion people alive today to be baptised followers of Jesus…including people with PhD’s in science, politics, history and anthropology….

    • avatar
      hmmm | 20 April 2014 at 11:54 pm #

      And many current theology doctorates too… Have taken up archaeology to compel scientific history more light. I applaud them. Happy Easter

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      Steven Krut | 21 April 2014 at 2:36 am #

      Well it make’s for a great story, doesn’t it? It always amazes me how otherwise smart people just accept all the made up stuff as “gospel.” People are afraid of their mortality, I think, plus they are indoctrinated into it as children. Plus, there IS beautiful substance at the core of it all – Jesus’ message. I like the think that people accept the nonsense so they can have that message. Too often the nonsense obscures the message, though, I think.

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      Anonymous | 22 April 2014 at 9:12 am #

      There are lots of stories that are nonsensical that are believed by billions of other people. e.g. every religion
      Doesn’t make them true.
      People say it’s an easy route (as in “root” while we’re at it) to be an atheist but you have to actually have the audacity to say that just about everyone else in the world is wrong – that’s a HUGE step! Christians talk about a leap of faith – atheist have to take a leap of evidence.

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      Anonymous | 23 April 2014 at 1:54 am #

      Just because some people believe it, doesn’t make the story itself any less nonsensical, though, does it?

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    Anonymous | 20 April 2014 at 8:42 pm #

    Moron. Do you actually understand what a first hand account is, chump? Obviously not. Utter, utter clod.

    • avatar
      thetimebeing | 20 April 2014 at 9:04 pm #

      hey take it easy. lets remain calm here

      • avatar
        revgreene | 21 April 2014 at 4:20 am #

        Steve’s right…. lets remain calm. 1 enduring memory of 2013 was having a meal in an Oxford hostelry which apparently back in the olde days hosted informal meetings of the Inklings (a discussion group which included Tolkien and CS Lewis) and partly listening in on a conversation between a table of theology dons whilst chatting to my son about the merits of the filmed versions of Chronicles of Narnia. I couldn’t help feeing that belief, faith , fantasy, fact, lies, history (mostly blurred “facts”) etc are such ever shifting ever personal concepts that the debate could go on to infinity . I don’t have faith and am not a particular fantasy fan but think we call all learn a little from parts of LOTR, The Simpsons, Flash Gordon, a brief quip from a random person in the street, intelligent song lyrics or a bible quote, not in a dogmatic sense but as food for thought or fuel for debate

      • avatar
        Anonymous | 22 April 2014 at 10:53 am #

        Sorry, Steve.

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    hmmm | 21 April 2014 at 12:24 am #

    I think we tend to forget buddah wasn’t allowed to leave his parents’ castle until in his early 30s, or around then and what he saw of the outside world horrified him so deeply that is why when how he determined to turn inward (meditation of the self) to understand why. Where his philosophy began. Which is good to do as long as no judgement/karma of others becomes a stone. Kind of sad, really. Truth isn’t judgement, or at least it shouldn’t be. It’s just truth. Unfortunate how it is so feared and unpopular

  18. avatar
    Cocoamo | 21 April 2014 at 12:06 pm #

    Now, I don’t mean to be disrespectful saying I read this blog for the comedy, but I sometimes you guys crack me up so. Can’t decide which is funnier, Eekie saying she’s just in it for the chocolate, your response to Eekie, or “now go and read the fucking bible!”.

    It’s just that I know more than a few holy roller types who would read this and then their little headies would just, like, explode, and then I would have to clean God knows what their brains are composed of off the walls. And that would be from them seeing the word “fucking” used to describe “bible”, which they reverently keep on a decorative pedestal with all their family records tucked inside the front cover.

    Anyway, I’ll be chuckling for a while and thank you again for that.

    Seriously, as usual, I agree with practically everything though. The part about practicing forgiveness and mercy I find particularly difficult, not the least of which is for my own past sins. (OK, I’m sure I’ll rack up a few more goodies before I bite the dust).

    The quality of mercy is not strained;
    It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
    Upon the place beneath.
    It is twice blest;
    It blesseth him that gives and him that takes

    See more at:

    http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/21707

    Your Friend in Pennsylvania
    (Now in Cocoa Beach, still)

  19. avatar
    Moloch | 21 April 2014 at 2:04 pm #

    I’m a day late but…..

    “Happy first Sunday after the full moon after the Equinox!”

    the Pagan then slowly slips away, hoping that someone actually realises the significance of his statement….

    😉

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 21 April 2014 at 9:05 pm #

      Oh I realise the significance of the pagan ways & I’m not to happy about it.
      As for the bible I stand on mine.

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      Anonymous | 21 April 2014 at 9:18 pm #

      Acts 7:42-43 but God turned away & gave them over to the worship of the heavenly bodies. This agrees with what is written in the book of prophets: … you have lifted up the shrine of Molech ….

      Thought u mite like this verse considering the spelling of yr name and the devil god that was worshipped.

      • avatar
        Moloch | 22 April 2014 at 7:56 pm #

        As expected, the religious zealot is prepared to shoot the messenger in preference to acknowledging the message.

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          Anonymous | 23 April 2014 at 8:16 pm #

          Those who harp about zealots are usually the ones assaulting them.
          I accept that others would label me a zealot. But as a matter of self preservation one must be a zealot to stand through the horrendous practices of spiritual assault and survive.
          Thanks be to the hand of God the heavenly Father and the authority, power, strength, healing, perseverance and everything else that Jesus offers that I am still here today.

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            Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 10:05 pm #

            Not according to Jesus.
            Jesus says that you have to suffer all attacks, abuse, insults and indignities and offer yourself up to your oppressors for further abuse.
            Jesus says so, quite explicitly.
            Your zeolotry is quite clearly contradicting the teachings of Jesus.
            How’s it feel to deny your Lord’s teaching?

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            Anonymous | 28 April 2014 at 7:33 pm #

            Re anon below 2404 1005pm : if u knew y He said that you wouldn’t be spruiking it to say “deny the Lords teaching” eg turn the other cheek and let them slap that one too.(although i hav heard others say it becomes more difficult to slap the other chhek with the same hand & brings about a completely different meaning) The discipline is to stand through the assaults thrown one’s way with what Jesus has equipped one with and use His authority and overcome. Though keep pushing hard enough and our patience runs thin and then one starts to demand they are sent to the gates of hell at the next assault by the same inflictor.

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    Kohl Ette | 21 April 2014 at 7:20 pm #

    would you swear on the bible then? just dont say the e word

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 22 April 2014 at 9:14 am #

      God says let yr yes be yes and yr no be no.
      Do I swear – yes especially when I kick my toe.

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    A nonny mouse | 22 April 2014 at 9:02 am #

    This whole debate sounds like a REALLY good excuse to not have ANY religion.
    Imagine people getting this upset and arguing over the story of Santa Claus?
    What a load of crock.
    Look where it’s lead the Middle East – 2000 years plus of arguing and wars that have spilt out all over the world.
    As Johnny Rotten said, “I HATE RELIGION!!!!”.

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      Anonymous | 22 April 2014 at 2:05 pm #

      That’s ok for the one who religiously partied on in a punk rock band.
      I don’t have religion I have FAITH with the exception of religiously checking Steve’s web site.

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        Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 10:06 pm #

        Faith in what?

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          Anonymous | 30 April 2014 at 10:09 am #

          My FAITH in God the Heavenly Father, my Lord & Saviour God Incarnate Jesus Christ & the gift and movement of the Holy Spirit. My faith (& knowledge& awareness) of their workings in me &with me although I can not see them. mytrust & faith in the things to come although i have not seen Jesus i beleive in Him & the promises& that there will be an end to the suffering & a final outcome of eternal life. & my hope it will all happen much sooner than later. My faith & trust in their continual healing & deliverance, protection & provisions in my situations & others. & though we are persecuted for choosing Jesus (the way the truth & the life) we still believe& stand strong.

          Jesus offers us a future without sickness disease pain or tears. Jesus is more than just a good guy. He is our defender our judge our witness to truth of events. He helps us to overcome in His strength power & authority. (For it is said even the newest Christian has more power than the devil). One just needs to start exercising that FAITH & put it into action in their own lives.

          Jesus gives back the freedom that has been stolen from us. Know yr relationship with Jesus . Trusting in it. Don’t let it go. Hold onto the promises. Hold on to His authority. Know that He loves you very much & you don’t have to put up with the bullying in this world. He showed you what others are capable of and gave you the provisions to overcome and not be beaten down. He gave His followers authority to rebuke, to bind & silence & to send away. He also gave forgiveness & salvation & mercy, and provides the way back home and reconciliation with God the Father. He also gave us the Holy Spirit that leads us to all truth & empowers us. He brings healing & relief to those oppressed by the devil. He took our infirmities & bears our sicknesses. He reveals the kingdom to us. Jesus words reveal & show many would come in His name, perpetrating to do good but have their hidden agendas & desire to sully Jesus name.

          I disagree with no first hand accounts of Jesus. My life is a continual 1st hand witness of Jesus working in my life & revelations of God. Although I cannot see him I know it was him who delivered me from paralysis of the face within 10days. When it is known Bells Palsy takes 3mths or longer if lucky. One example, I can give you many. I maynot see Him but I certainly know when His presence is near. Blessed are those who have not seen Him yet beleive it is written.

          The gospels revealed to me what was needed to overcome. As I read them I asked “what did Jesus do”. & in these gospel writings it states Jesus did walk with the writers Matthew a tax collector. Luke I understand a physician. & John I still hav confusion over who? But that is because I dont study the gospels & its writers. I study their contents & the events & actions. So no I am not a theologian. So disagree with SK.

          Jesus did more than share the message ‘be kind to others’ – He sent death packing. He said “do not worship the devil but God yr Father.

          SEEK Jesus whilst He may be found.

          • avatar
            Anonymous | 30 April 2014 at 8:53 pm #

            Nutter.

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    Kohl Ette | 22 April 2014 at 11:34 am #

    i might pray to the patron of hopeless cases. Haha! the contradictions of life!

  23. avatar
    Lady Di | 22 April 2014 at 12:01 pm #

    Happy belated Easter SK, my computer decided to have an Easter break too.
    Loved this post, you’re spot on as usual, but I’m wrestling with my faith at the moment, so not a good time to comment.

    Sorry we missed the Vanguard gig but I had to rush Therese to hospital that very day. She’s home and recovering now and some medicinal chocolate from the Easter bunny seems to be helping.
    Now I’m facing my own health scare. Need some healing vibes from Doctor SK.

    Hope to see you playing somewhere soon. Miss you.

    Love Di

  24. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 22 April 2014 at 4:26 pm #

    Jesus did NOT advocate ahimsa and he consumed meat and fish. Ahimsa is totally an Indian creed.

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    Anonymous | 22 April 2014 at 7:10 pm #

    In the words of Julian Cope: ‘St. Paul was a motherfucking lout’.
    After Paul’s ‘experience’ on the road to Damascus, what did he do? Did he go to Jerusalem, to talk to the Disciples and others who’d known Jesus? No, he went and sat in the desert, dreaming up bullshit out of his own head, based on nothing but his own imagination.
    When Paul finally did go back to Jerusalem, he met Peter – and told him that he was wrong about Jesus and that he, Paul, was right.
    Paul then preached his ‘message’. When people who had known Jesus protested ‘but that’s not what Jesus said’, ‘but that’s not what Jesus did’, Paul’s response was ‘let me hear no more about this man, Jesus – let me tell you about Christ the King’. This bullshit provoked a riot and Paul had to be rescued by the Romans. Ironic, no?
    Paul said that good deeds meant nothing without faith.
    James the Just, the actual brother of Jesus, said the opposite: without good works, your faith is meaningless. That seems far closer to Jesus than Paul’s statement.
    These two things illustrate the problem I have with Christians: many of them seem to think it’s ok to believe that ‘Christ’ was the Son Of God while never even attempting to live according to the teachings of Jesus.
    Paul excuses that hypocrisy – ‘let me hear no more about this man, Jesus’ and it’s faith alone that counts.
    In the light of that, I think Julian Cope got it right.

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      thetimebeing | 23 April 2014 at 8:03 pm #

      agree with everything here totally

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      Anonymous | 23 April 2014 at 9:04 pm #

      God also purposed many good works for faith in action.
      My own experience in regards the FAITH I have been equipped with “faith without action may mean one goes to their grave earlier or suffer more than is necessary”. Jesus gave us the tools to overcome and stand through that which assails us.

      • avatar
        Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 10:07 pm #

        We’re not talking about God – we’re talking about Jesus.
        Not the same thing.

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    crimson | 23 April 2014 at 1:47 am #

    i had a dream many years ago where i walked with Jesus thru green hills somewhere, it felt like somewhere he had preached. i just saw him for what he is in that dream, an infinite being beyond words, as we all are. he just showed himself as the being he was, showed me the history and what had been done in his name, and said “none of that had anything to do with me”. i am this… and my feeling was very much inline with what you described SK.

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      Anonymous | 23 April 2014 at 8:25 pm #

      I too have experienced the green hills after calling out to Jesus when a demon was assaulting me. The incident stopped immediately as my Lord dealt with the situation. When everything was calm again I could recall playing on the green hills with others and what we were doing. Thank God He is only a word away.

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        Cocoamo | 24 April 2014 at 1:22 pm #

        Wow. Good story. Demons are so scary.

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          Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 9:37 pm #

          If u belong to Jesus they have no authority over you. Although they try to harm and threaten.if one is not confident enough yet to rebuke situation in name/authoritybof JC the cry out to Jesus for His intervention as I did. I also know songs of praise and the demons flee. You just keep singing to the Lord until you are at peace in yr situation. A few ways I have discovered to overcome. Handing situation completely over to God for He knows what action is required for your protection. Yes have found myself in many scary situations because of what I pray. I trust God completely to pull me through no matter how tough it gets. Do I like the situations whence they come at me – no. But God knows how to deal with them better than me. So I take my complaint to the top.

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          Anonymous | 25 April 2014 at 1:27 am #

          I think them more stressful than scary.

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        Padded room for Crimson! | 24 April 2014 at 10:11 pm #

        Utter bullshit.
        A ‘demon’ was NOT ‘assaulting’ you.
        Cretin.

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          Anonymous | 4 May 2014 at 11:58 am #

          I’m making my “green room” crimson! And its going to be padded too!! Love the name!!!

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        ABC | 25 April 2014 at 8:13 am #

        Bad trip eh?
        Isn’t it the Christian lobby that says keep off the drugs?
        Tsk Tsk.

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    Exiled From Eden | 23 April 2014 at 2:16 am #

    Jesus was not God Incarnate nor any kind of pre-existent divine entity. Jesus was a human being, a wonderful man with many, many great teachings.
    But here’s the thing – Jesus believed that God was about to intervene in human history, bringing about the end of time and instituting the kingdom of Heaven on earth. Jesus viewed this as an actual and imminent apocalypse that would take place in the real world and fully believed that his sacrifice on the cross would be the event that ushered in God’s intervention. Hence his despair when it didn’t happen.
    All of which adds up to this awkward fact:
    God wasn’t about to intervene to end human history and instigate the kingdom of God on earth.
    Which means that Jesus was wrong.
    So where does that leave us?

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    Bill.kimmerly7 | 23 April 2014 at 7:19 pm #

    Jesus is alright with me , good read SK

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    Caiphas Crewcut | 23 April 2014 at 7:43 pm #

    Hey, Christians – Jesus said ‘what you do to the least of men, you do to me’.
    Ever punched someone? You’ve done it to Jesus.
    Ever treated someone like shit, cheated, stolen from and insulted them? You’ve done it to Jesus.
    Every single shitty act you’ve ever committed, you’ve done it to Jesus.
    He said so himself.
    How’s that feel, Christians?

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      Anonymous | 23 April 2014 at 8:31 pm #

      Judge yourself before you judge others. What have you done that may need changing in your life before you expect others to fit in with your way of life.
      Fortunately Jesus sees the truth of all actions and what lies behind some of them.
      Lets hope your not one of its manipulators.

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        Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 10:14 pm #

        Irrelevant comment, anon 8,31, totally misses the point.
        The point is: if you claim to be a Christian, you have to treat every person you ever meet with the same honesty, decency and respect that you’d treat Jesus.
        He said so himself.
        Have you managed to live like that?
        No?
        How’s it feel to deny your Lord’s teachings?

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          Anonymous | 29 April 2014 at 9:00 pm #

          I guess I often find the Tears for Fears song everybody wants to rule the world relevant to me. ‘Welcome to your life/there’s no turning back/even while we sleep/we will find you/acting on your best behavior’. Then God asked “why is she not?” And then the truth of it all started to arrive in many revelations.
          But yes I have physically punched someone whilst a Christian still on milk. And as one who has grown in understanding have played back that seen in my mind 20odd years later putting Jesus between me and the person. And yes I said, “sorry lord”. No buts, but the differnce is one can see a physical punch coming at them – what about the spiritual one that one cannot see coming and how it was perpetrated.

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        ABC | 25 April 2014 at 8:10 am #

        Well he’d already know if he knows everything baby!
        Typical sanctimonious, hypocritical, non-sensical Christian drivel.
        Too superior to actually put the same guilt vibe on themselves:
        “Judge yourself before you judge others. What have you done that may need changing in your life before you expect others to fit in with your way of life.” INDEED!

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    Anonymous | 23 April 2014 at 8:37 pm #

    Jesus also said “many will come in my name saying i am Christ and deceive many”.
    There are many wolves amongst the flock and that is why it is important to test the spirits.

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      Anonymous | 28 April 2014 at 9:20 pm #

      Rubbish. Quite clearly a much later insertion to suit the purposes of the early Church.
      Jesus expected God to bring about the end of the real world to end within his own lifetime – so why would Jesus even consider a later period in which imposters would claim to be him?!
      Learn to sift the real Jesus from the mythological ‘Christ’ dreamed up by Paul and his ilk.

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        Anonymous | 29 April 2014 at 8:45 pm #

        Yes it is about sifting. Sifting the chaft from the wheat. Separating the goats from the sheep. And that is why we were given this verse – matt18:7 woe to the world because of offences, for it must needs be that offences come, but woe to that man
        whom the offences come.

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    Anonymous | 23 April 2014 at 10:17 pm #

    You were on your way home when you died.

    It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

    And that’s when you met me.

    “What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”

    “You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

    “There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”

    “Yup,” I said.

    “I… I died?”

    “Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.

    You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”

    “More or less,” I said.

    “Are you god?” You asked.

    “Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”

    “My kids… my wife,” you said.

    “What about them?”

    “Will they be all right?”

    “That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”

    You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

    “Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”

    “Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”

    “Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”

    “Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”

    “All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”

    You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”

    “Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”

    “So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”

    “Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”

    I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.

    “You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”

    “How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”

    “Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”

    “Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”

    “Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”

    “Where you come from?” You said.

    “Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”

    “Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”

    “Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”

    “So what’s the point of it all?”

    “Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”

    “Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.

    I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”

    “You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”

    “No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”

    “Just me? What about everyone else?”

    “There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”

    You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”

    “All you. Different incarnations of you.”

    “Wait. I’m everyone!?”

    “Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

    “I’m every human being who ever lived?”

    “Or who will ever live, yes.”

    “I’m Abraham Lincoln?”

    “And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.

    “I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.

    “And you’re the millions he killed.”

    “I’m Jesus?”

    “And you’re everyone who followed him.”

    You fell silent.

    “Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”

    You thought for a long time.

    “Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”

    “Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

    “Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”

    “No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”

    “So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”

    “An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”

    And I sent you on your way.

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      thetimebeing | 24 April 2014 at 10:21 am #

      brilliant! this is indeed the truth. you are everyone

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      Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 12:18 pm #

      And now I know why I dont worship the Hinduism way. And dont Hindus worship cows, a beast.
      And Jesus said, “which Jesus are you following?”

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        thetimebeing | 24 April 2014 at 3:51 pm #

        dont hindus worship cows….you seem like some serious moron
        the hindu cosmology is so subtle and poetic
        i can understand why you cannot understand it
        i find you smug and stupid

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          Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 9:41 pm #

          That’s ok I’m still trying to work out why God has placed you on my path. Shabby coat wearer.

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          Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 9:47 pm #

          And wbere does it lead you in the end. If I am to take the text above -reincarnation – until one reaches perfection. .
          No thanks. I’ll take my eternal salvation and the kingdom of heaven with Jesus anytime. I don’t need to be made by perfect. I need the suffering to stop and it never will until the new earth and heaven is at hand.

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          hmm | 24 April 2014 at 11:04 pm #

          an odd truth maybe: that movie Children of The Corn… sometimes I wonder if it is so that we become what we are most sinful of, then as you watch the world with corn-added/made this and that in everything (i.e. – high fructose to ethanol which finding has its own worse carcinogens such as when microwaving popcorn – you’re eating cancer cells… other thoughts) and the humongous increase in beef (and chicken) that the world consumes… then you start connecting say like driving down the road – wow, man, all those corp corn fields and cattle – and all the waste everywhere!!! being produced because of… maybe, by process of consumption – evil as it is these day; i.e. – over consumption – that is how the world will be saved from current over-indulgences: our souls will next become only cattle and/or corn as that is what we are becoming inherent in our conscious… eventually, it will fix itself: we’ll all be stocks of or barnyard feed? don’t laugh – could become true. and everything controlled by a micro-chip too. odd thought Hal, isn’t it? (he responded back, “well, then, watch your consumerism.”)

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            Anonymous | 28 April 2014 at 9:24 pm #

            Humans are already cattle for the 9ft trans-dimensional lizards that rule us – haven’t ya heard?

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          name | 25 April 2014 at 1:38 am #

          You are a wise man, so eloquently with the irony… See above. And right also of the philosophy’s poetic message. Unfortunate that as with all other religions the majority of Hindus either by repression or gluttony screw with what was intended

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          Anonymous | 25 April 2014 at 2:44 am #

          Oh that’s right Hinduism has sacred cows in which there is no name calling.

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        Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 10:15 pm #

        Jesus did NOT ask ‘which Jesus are you following’.
        Don’t you people realise that you have to base statements on evidence, not bullshit?

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    Kohl Ette | 24 April 2014 at 3:58 am #

    I was punched in the face by a skinhead in a fish n chip shop in oxford circa 1985. Serves me right. I couldnt think at the time why but it is obvious now. He represented god and i am bad . i was impersonating pat benatar :/

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      Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 12:22 pm #

      Where all bad. Hasnt anyone told you that yet.
      Usually the punch comes from the other direction those who dont like seeing the reminder of Jesus and the coming kingdom tbrow the punch at the one who exhibits it and shines a light for Jesus.

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        Anonymous | 24 April 2014 at 10:18 pm #

        Jesus said that the kingdom of God would be instituted in the real world before anyone who was alive c.AD30 had died.
        Not some long-distance future event.
        Not some spiritual kingdom after death.
        A real event in the real world.
        Didn’t happen, did it?
        Hmmm…

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          Anonymous | 28 April 2014 at 8:08 pm #

          Re anon below 2404 1005pm : if u knew y He said that you wouldn’t be spruiking it to say “deny the Lords teaching” eg turn the other cheek and let them slap that one too.(although i hav heard others say it becomes more difficult to slap the other chhek with the same hand & brings about a completely different meaning) The discipline is to stand through the assaults thrown one’s way with what Jesus has equipped one with and use His authority and overcome. Though keep pushing hard enough and our patience runs thin and then one starts to demand they are sent to the gates of hell at the next assault by the same inflictor.

          The kingdom is amongst us. Guessing you haven’t got the eyes to see it. Those who have experienced it in the little things are desiring it in its complete wholeness and fullness.
          Mocking Jesus followers is no different to the times when they mocked just before they put Jesus on the cross.

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            Anonymous | 29 April 2014 at 11:22 pm #

            You are not a follower of Jesus.
            You are a worshipper of the Risen Christ.
            You clearly know next to nothing about the historical Jesus and understand even less about his teachings.
            I am mocking your ignorance and hypocrisy.
            And you deserve it.

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            Anonymous | 30 April 2014 at 8:56 pm #

            hey anon 8.08, someone rips the piss out of you and you say its the same as jesus’s suffering on the way to the cross? get the fuck over yourself, whacko!

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        ABC | 25 April 2014 at 8:05 am #

        earn how to spell and make some sense.

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      Anonymous | 25 April 2014 at 1:01 am #

      Like Steve said: Jehovah of the Old Testament would beat you.
      Jesus wouldn’t.
      Even if you tortured him with Pat Benatar songs…

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        Anonymous | 29 April 2014 at 12:21 pm #

        I was going to disagree but then remembered the pretenders did back on the chain gang, so I agree

      • avatar
        Anonymous | 29 April 2014 at 9:06 pm #

        I liked Pat Benatar and the only song I can remember that she sang. Off the top of my head at present.

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    Kohl Ette | 24 April 2014 at 10:46 am #

    jesus’ dad is the holy spirit and mamma maria.. miraculoso

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      hmm | 24 April 2014 at 11:25 pm #

      her name was Yolanda – I missed the celebration of “her” by a day on my last trip due to flight delay – but asked her grand-daughter the next day: how’d it go? did everyone remember? she responded: lots of people came and there were tears (of joy to remember). ah, yes… my last visit with her (post-stroke), she still remembered me anyway and her eyes smiled; though she couldn’t speak – I heard it in her eyes: “CiCi” she would call out to me. so I smiled back and told her she was more beautiful than I will ever be.

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    Eskaedor | 24 April 2014 at 12:50 pm #

    Perhaps loving everyone always seems easy. Maybe. Are religions trapping youth? Chaos/order. Martyrdom. Evangelism. Byzantium. Anatolia. Uncrowned kings.

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    Kohl Ette | 24 April 2014 at 4:40 pm #

    ricochet

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 28 April 2014 at 9:25 pm #

      Hula!

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        Sound of the devil breaking parole | 29 April 2014 at 11:22 pm #

        No one else spot the Bowie reference then?

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    Anonymous | 25 April 2014 at 11:36 pm #

    One day someone will discover a manuscript of ‘Q’ – the early collection of the sayings of Jesus that pre-dates any of the Gospel accounts. Then we’ll have a much better picture.
    Of course, Q is likely to contain some material that will contradict the later Gospels and early Church accounts – eg. did Jesus call himself the Son Of Man or refer to this figure as someone else, who would come to deliver God’s judgement on the world? Different Gospels give different statements. Did Jesus say ‘seek and ye shall find’ or ‘let he who seeks not cease until he finds’? Quite different statements. Q pre-dates much of the theology of the early Church and its discovery could shine a very different light on these things.

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    Anonymous | 28 April 2014 at 10:17 am #

    sometimes when this blog isn’t moving fast, I check out your facebook… so, who’s Deborah Whitmore? (cracks me up.)

    • avatar
      eekie | 28 April 2014 at 1:16 pm #

      I’m thinking she’s an unsuccessful artist… 😉

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        thetimebeing | 28 April 2014 at 3:38 pm #

        yep

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        Anonymous | 29 April 2014 at 12:17 pm #

        Ouch. Sorry, had I known she was actually a she and not doing well with her art, I would not have asked. Hope she does something brilliant and success/being happy follows.

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 28 April 2014 at 9:27 pm #

      Facefook is the Devil’s medium. Just say no!

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    Ancient Alien | 29 April 2014 at 1:31 am #

    Ancient Aliens put the seeds on this Earth which we sprouted from! Life began from a space ship and/or asteroid. Regardless, whether you like it or not God is an alien if you think about it, we are aliens, so take me to your leader!

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      somehow | 29 April 2014 at 12:48 pm #

      With ab neg and No rhesus gene I always thought this too was the only logical way. They say Jesus had same blood type which would explain. But how could anyone know what blood type he was without archeological evidence? Anyway, only a small percentage of people aren’t related to monkeys. Most humans do have the monkey gene so maybe that is really what started all of the lies.

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        Anonymous | 29 April 2014 at 11:30 pm #

        Some serious educational failings out there.
        Humans are not descended from monkeys.
        Humans and apes are separate developments, both descended from a common ancestor.
        How hard is that to grasp?

        The key question for me is what was it that triggered the rapid increase in the size of the human brain pan? This is unknown in any other species. Nutters say that it was due to genetic engineering by aliens. Archaeologists suggest that it was due to humans becoming hunters, rather than scavengers, and thereby accessing better quality protein. But no one knows why this happened or why it only happened to humans.

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          maybe you're right | 1 May 2014 at 2:11 am #

          I guess then all of those conspiracy theories… that hiv was not caused in its current predominate state due to bushmen hunters accidentally becoming infected via direct blood contact with monkeys they were hunting… blood in a cut or digestion of while some sore through mouth through to digestive tract allowed direct blood contact? …instead was an evil plot to kill people… are correct? as unless (in this case) a shared antigen is present in species the cross-over of this type virus is impossible via only blood contact – as hiv only is.

          there is a gene shared among primates and human in most people/all primates not found elsewhere in other species which causes the ability for hiv to move btwn the two (direct blood contact not like other viruses); kinda like mules horse and donkey – (and isolated findings of the SIV/HIV viruses date back to the late 1800s – certain before that too – just not documented)

          lots of other examples, but perhaps they too – all conspiracies? which may be true; don’t know. but: the immunity of RN blood is quite different from RP (some good of both types, some bad); and the negative can’t be cloned… monkeys can, so can RP humans.

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          doesnt make sense | 1 May 2014 at 9:25 am #

          if eating meat (better quality protein) meant a larger brain, then all carnivores (and omnivores) would have large brains than humans, who are biologically designed to be herbivores.

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            Anonymous | 1 May 2014 at 10:00 pm #

            No because they already ate meat. Humans scavenged the dregs that carnivores left behind. At some point humans began hunting for themselves and got to the ‘good stuff’ first. That’s the theory. I don’t buy it myself though.

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    Kohl Ette | 29 April 2014 at 8:07 am #

    The crux of the prob could be, if you are punched fair and square in the middle of the face, the nose for example or between the eyes or even in the mouth, which cheek does one turn? Speaking of straight up, tell me once and for all sk if you mind my comments. I was telling myself they are universal but was informed that I am breaching privacy codes. Please let me know so I can call it a day if nec. Thank you and have a nice life if we never speak again. Hopefully it won’t be having words and btw youre welcome to pop in any time.

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      Anonymous | 29 April 2014 at 9:19 pm #

      I guess both. Because a small fist (or as a devil one said puny fist)(for i know it was not God)like mine wouldn’t reach yr cheeks. But a big fist would prob reach both mycheeks on my small face. If directly hitting the nose. Just kidding
      Curious to know though how you could be breaching privcy codes if every commenter is speaking as an individual and therefore hav equality in provision of comments.so to speak.

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      Ancient Aliens | 1 May 2014 at 2:45 am #

      Do you want to be punched in the face? We can all wait in line?

    • avatar
      Anonymous | 1 May 2014 at 9:27 am #

      the ones below the belt?

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    hellbound heart | 29 April 2014 at 8:14 pm #

    Goodness me…..I leave the room for a while and all hell breaks loose….
    In the light of the disease eating up my father and a gorgeous little girl I knew being killed in a plane crash, it’s kind of hard to believe that there’s a Grand Purpose to this kind of stuff happening…..
    I’d love to meet Jesus, I think he’d be a cool guy….
    love always…..

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    eternallylit | 29 April 2014 at 11:52 pm #

    you know something has always stuck with me in these interpretations in fact all the old “history” we go by-we were not there and in all the years between some dudes worked with the ancient stories and translations were made-but with what yard stick?perhaps a letter wrongly placed led to a word a phrase and all we started with was lost and a new meaning exists. the scole experiment had a wise spirit come thru, mrs ? & she said to remember most important is love. everything else doesnt mean a jot.

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      Anonymous | 30 April 2014 at 9:07 pm #

      This is precisely what happened. Just one example: the original wording was ‘a young woman shall give birth’ – but the word for ‘young woman’ was mistranslated as ‘a virgin’ – and you can see what nonsensical bullshit THAT led to! None of this is new though – mistranslations and deliberate insertions in the Bible have been studied for decades.

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    Chris | 30 April 2014 at 9:40 am #

    Tacitus and Josephus, as historians, record the eye-witness accounts of Jesus existence. What makes their records so important and powerful is that they were both enemies of Christianity. That they would record Jesus as existing and influencing the ancient world constitutes highly objective material. The Director of the British Museum has said that there is more tangible and unequivocal evidence for the existence of Jesus than many other ancient historical figures. Half-wits Christians are not….careful debaters and students of history they are…

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      Anonymous | 30 April 2014 at 9:38 pm #

      Of course Jesus existed. No serious scholar doubts otherwise – the idiots that do so are on the same level as the ‘Jesus was a metaphor for a mushroom cult’ loonies from the 1960s. The existence of Jesus is not the point, though, is it?
      Your claim that Tacitus and Josephus wrote ‘eye-witness accounts’ is the point. And it’s an utterly incorrect one for this very simple reason:
      Josephus and Tacitus were both born after Jesus died. Neither of them ever met or saw Jesus – how could they? Which means that absolutely nothing they wrote can be a first-hand or eye-witness account of Jesus, any more than you could write an eye-witness account of someone who died before you were born. That is truly basic stuff, dude. A schoolboy would grasp that one – howcome a ‘careful debater and student of history’ can’t?

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    Chris | 30 April 2014 at 9:49 am #

    Christians are followers of Christ, not St.Paul. St.Paul was a follower of Christ and evidenced many human failings, including the prejudices against women of his time. He was a courageous, passionate and flawed evangelist. His writings expand on Christ’s teachings and show their application in the early church, but give me Jesus’ words in the Gospels over Paul any day.

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      Anonymous | 30 April 2014 at 9:40 pm #

      Tell it to St. Stephen, Chris.
      SK’s right – Jesus would be horrified by Paul and the bullshit he perpetrated in Jesus’s name.

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    Galamor the Wizard | 30 April 2014 at 6:21 pm #

    I just wish that Anonymous would print his name!

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      Hippopotamus Anonymous | 2 May 2014 at 2:47 am #

      Which Anonymous? There’s a million on here including me!

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    Kohl Ette | 30 April 2014 at 6:50 pm #

    some people’re more equal n others 😉

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    Kohl Ette | 30 April 2014 at 8:04 pm #

    so evertin’s peachy honey babe? … aha aha walkin on de beeches lookin at da breaches doo doo doo dunna dunna nana nana

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      Anonymous | 1 May 2014 at 1:58 am #

      Good bassplaying, shame about the sexism and Doors rip offs. Peter Hook recently said on the BBC that Burnel was his ‘hero’ – I hope he meant in regards to the bass!
      Steve did you know Viv Albertine of the Slits before she emigrated to the UK?

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    hmm | 1 May 2014 at 2:59 am #

    I agree with Chris re St. Paul. He was flawed and it took a lot of courage for him to overcome and owe up to his past to preach/follow a better future. his lesson – same as Mandelas (more current) that even though previous he was a sinner – he became better. I believe in Mandela’s/St. Paul’s/many other’s messages; even with all the edits. we must not forget, but forgive (if the following acts are sustained in truth/good). I mean, he could have just covered his own – or those in opposition twisted the why?

    if you are a wolf, it is sheep that are evil, figuratively, not literally – they’re just food… – and there are way more sheep in this world. I like both animals, but it is sheep more than any other herd that tramples to death for no cause other than panic/not thinking of their actions.

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    Saint Christopher | 1 May 2014 at 3:03 am #

    Did everyone know that Pope John Paul the 2nd and another past Popes became Saints today!?

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    no one | 1 May 2014 at 7:33 am #

    let us go find the hollow earth
    whereby we might be saved from the hurt
    and therein lies a brighter world…
    that heals the heart and soothes the nerves
    where christ and the others reign and work
    to teach a simple message…to have compassion
    and to love

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    Kohl Ette | 1 May 2014 at 8:50 am #

    dear prudence

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      Anonymous | 1 May 2014 at 9:52 pm #

      Siouxsie did it better than the Beatles.
      And Helter Skelter.
      Jesus hates the Beatles!

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      Hippopotamus Anonymous | 2 May 2014 at 2:48 am #

      Come out to play hey hey aaaaaay

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    Kohl Ette | 1 May 2014 at 10:48 am #

    au contraire. you seem to be into everything and anything. I however am not that anal. If you dont mind me saying. Thank you.

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      Hippopotamus Anonymous | 2 May 2014 at 2:49 am #

      Who you talkin to Willus?

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    Kohl Ette | 1 May 2014 at 10:48 am #

    🙂

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    Chris | 1 May 2014 at 1:08 pm #

    @unknown person: I’m not saying that Josephus and Tacitus’ accounts are ‘eye-witness’ accounts. You miss the subtlety of history sources. I’m saying that they record the ‘evidence and report of eye-witness accounts’ handed down verbally. History today is recorded far differently from history then. No printing presses. No mass paper. No bound books. Most history was handed on verbally from original eye-witnesses. The more accounts in different places that agree the better. Tacitus and Josephus record the verbal history of eye-witnesses. They were serious historians who did not deal in fiction, but based their histories on verbal history from eye-witnesses.Your point is fixated on them not being eye-witnesses, which they are not and I never said that they were; just that their histories use the evidence of eye-witness accounts. Done deal I think.

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      Anonymous | 1 May 2014 at 6:45 pm #

      The musicians often used their song and verse to help the people remember the events in history. They still sing about it today.

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      Anonymous | 1 May 2014 at 9:50 pm #

      Chris, Chris, it’s no use, mate – I’m unlikely to miss ‘the subtlety of historical sources’ – I have a 1st Class Honours degree in Ancient and Medieval History, a Masters degree with Distinction in Medieval History and I did my PhD on Merovingian Francia. Given all that, I probably do understand a fair bit about historical sources and source criticism, buddy.

      And you actually DID say ‘there are at least two eye witness accounts of Jesus’ (20th April, 9.38). That’s plain wrong. There aren’t any. Not a single one.
      You later changed that to ‘eye witness accounts of Jesus’s existence’. Again, there aren’t any. Tacitus and Josephus wrote about things that they had HEARD about. Even if they’d spoken to contemporary Christians, and there’s no evidence that they did, neither of them spoke to anyone who had actually known or seen Jesus. Why not? Because by the time that Tacitus and Josephus wrote, between c.AD 93 and c.AD 116, no one who had known or seen Jesus was still alive.
      Which means, quite obviously, that neither Tacitus nor Josephus could possibly have reported the ‘eye witness’ accounts of anyone who had even seen Jesus, let alone known him. THAT’s your ‘done deal’, Chris. No subtlety involved.

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    Kohl Ette | 2 May 2014 at 8:28 am #

    It was more what Tacitus didnt say i think

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    Anonymous | 2 May 2014 at 4:53 pm #

    I saw my Lord today. I think He stopped in on me because I was so broken after watching ‘divergent’ at the movies. We also had some heavy rain. Did my tears do that again?
    Jesus allowed those of simple child like minds to see the kingdom. To shame the smart ones or something other. (Read the bible to get the gist of those events) & He said if you do not beleive the things I tell you of this world then how are you going to beleive the things of heaven. (Again something to that effect.)
    Chris be at peace with what you know. God says you won’t convince the unbeleivers. There is plenty of comforting examples of this in His living word. Know that by sharing your experiences they hear the word. & faith comes from hearing. But end of the day they must use their freewill to step up seek and accept.

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    Anonymous | 4 May 2014 at 8:37 pm #

    Is that the best you can do. Or is that the first and only word you learnt to spit out.
    You miss so much when one fails to see my Lord’s kingdom moving amongst us. Your loss not mine.

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      Anonymous | 8 May 2014 at 2:57 am #

      Nutter. You just proved it.

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    Anonymous | 9 June 2014 at 10:40 am #

    Saint Paul wrote the high song of love of the new Testament in his letter to the Corinthians and it is wonderful and he never wrote to murder someone – he wrote shit about long hair, prostitution and commanded to give a disturber to satan’s realm, but to save his soul at last; has this led to the inquisition?And to obey the worldly power, which got the sword by God is only understandable because of his near expectation for the return of the Lord. So far, Jesus hates noone and so also not his titanic writer and founder of theology Paulus


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