posted on April 13, 2008 at 9:20 pm

the west…….
uh, i dunno
it is so hard to detach from your culture
to see it for what it is through other(s) eyes
so hard to escape the zeitgeist
if we were raised eating worms
most of us would still be eating them
if we were raised and told that turnips were poisonous
we would avoid them
we are preprogrammed
we do not think freely
we swallow whatever they dish up
hooked headline and stinker
we are so buried in our own cultures baloney
we cant see which way is up
now the west has sold you a couple of ideas
i persistently go on about these ideas
on n on non anon
these ideas are at the very crux of our civilization
you see the angry ignorant responses on my comments
one chap says
without meat we will all starve…
and i should be on opera windfree show
with my zany dribble..
well my friend
let me reiterate this
the united nations
as well as many u.s. n u.k. studies conclude
that the meat industry is the single greatest contributing factor
to this planets critical condition
thats not my opinion
its the experts…at least whoever is the experts today
you see
the extraordinary amounts of cowdung n piss
the fact it takes 9 pounds of soy to produce one pound of beef
(beef :a cute word for a bit of decaying dismembered cow…long dead)
and that cattle farming destroys the soil
and the refrigeration
you see
one day you gonna be asked to give up your kobe beef
if it gets even more critical with the weather
hopefully meat will be outlawed
it is after all
inhumane bloodthirsty macabre and it produces
ignorant meatheads who are actually addicted to the gore (like gore)
it causes cancer heart attack stroke and stupidity
it brings much misery down on our planet
it brings bad karma (oooh hippy dribble)
anyway how was the kobe beef
you wont shit it out for 3 days or so
so your intestines can get to know it real intimately
as your weak digestive juice slowly slowly
but ineffectually attempt to break it down
no mr kobe beef
we dont have that same acidic juice of the carnivores
ooh mr kobe beef
its rotting in your tummy, my son
your tummy is not a freezer
have you seen a piece of meat 3 days out of a freezer?
and its backed up
behind all the other various grisly remains
that sit putrefying inside you
rotting within your stomach, my dear friend
all that decay
and chemicals
and adrenaline from the dead miserable creature
jesus i know
im never gonna change your mind, am i?
no longer an ethical crusade
meat has been officially ascertained
as enemy number ONE of planet earth
you can now do whatever you like…
hey sometimes the u.n. are right though
remember all those weapons of mass destruction
they said mr s hussein didnt have?
do you remember a couple of years ago
when i was self righteously ranting against iraqi war
and i’d have a hundred furious comments
saying i was all kinds of things
a coward
an idiot
yet i hear nothing these days
not one squeak of protest when i broach this
or maybe
they all pissed off when we had the big veg schism
interesting correlation isnt it…?
the other big stupid lie the west esp u.s.
have sold us
we the people
is that the plants herbs and trees of this planet
the plants that bring visions
they have sold us the idea that these plants are “wrong”
i have said most of this before
but just one more time
up until 1900 there were no such things as illegal drugs
it was a matter of personal choice
of course , i guess
the witch burners set alight many healers and wise-women
who were skilled in herbal lore
an early example of ignorant repression by a certain type of man
the type of man who fears the feminine
who fears mysticism
who fears philosophy
who fears to create
who fears the unknown
who fears the ineffable wonder of nature
who scoffs at god(s)
who clings to his safe ignorance
parrotting his masters ignorance
the bishops
and generals
and the “law”
the secret agents
the “war” presidents, deserters themselves
the lords and kings
trotting out the bullshit of the time
a man with no ritual
a man with no culture
a man unable to create anything of beauty and charm
a fearful cynical man
feeling all safe in his cynicism and cliches
you see “drugs” were made illegal in the 1900s
to bust blacks n intellectuals n the poor n asians n whoever else
they werent made illegal for your own good
come on…do you really believe that?
and they teach you to fear and ridicule the people who use them
those stupid witchdoctors in the jungles
those stupid hippy trippy hippies with their peace n flower bullshit
i mean..peace n fucking flowers…how useless is that?
the western govts say these illegal drugs are “wrong”
people taking them are so naughty
that they are jailed and even executed
tim leary spent years in jail for possessing a joint
what did they fear?
the west govt made a whole loada stuff illegal
creating an instant blackmarket
full of crime prostituton smuggling corruption
that did not previously exist
do you ever hear much about the drug problems
in other times and places….?
your own governments created it!
more marijuana smokers in u.s. jails than ever
to keep them from harming themselves?
to deter them from crime?
because the govt said dont do it
but they did n now goddamn it we gotta show em
will society collapse if people smoke dope?
some kids beat up a guy n smoked pot..ban pot
some kids beat up a guy n ate a sandwich..ban sandwiches
take me
i been smoking dope 36 years
i mean it cant be too bad, can it?
i mean
my resting pulse is 55
my blood pressure is low man low
i am 54 nearly
i swim a mile
i walk 2 or 3 miles
i do 1 and a half hours of yoga
i write a blog
i raise my kids
i pay my taxes
i produce much artistic work
i donate monthly to 2 charities :greenpeace n heart foundation
i perform concerts i travel i meet n greet
i love my mother
i dont beat my wife or kids
i dont steal rob or create trouble
i am quite sane
i am quite lucid
i continue to improve at singing playing writing
i mix socially with people
i am fit healthy productive and peaceful
should i go to jail?
am i just a stoned wanker?
am i the cliche?
or you?
where have you travelled?
what have you seen?
have you ever explored other states of mind
other planes
other universe within nature
do you write poetry
can you stand on a fucking stage
and keep people amused for 3 hours?
or are you a cog in the mechanism
mouthing the trueisms…?
the hippies failed
yes they did
the “straights” prevailed
yes they did
the psychedelic revolution of the heart of the sixties
was crushed and ridiculed
all those hippy wankers
stoned stupid
tripping peacenik fools
the western govts (the rest mostly cowed by the u.s.)
have told you that the psychedelic plants on this planet
are wrong
are evil
they wage wars on these plants
destroying and burning
just like a real inquisitor does
just like a real witchburner or nazi bookburner
just like superstitious cavemen
suppressing thought that differs from their own
trampling all over your “rights”
ask yourself this straightman
why do they fear the psychedelics so vehemently?
answer: ignorance

76 Responses to “i pity the poor hippygrunt”

  1. avatar
    Anne Marie: | 13 April 2008 at 11:22 pm #


  2. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 April 2008 at 11:51 pm #

    it’s another gen x without the weird spelling

  3. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 April 2008 at 11:59 pm #

    right on man, right on.


  4. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 12:14 am #

    Gen X didnt have weeeeeeaaardde spellin’!.haha!;D

  5. avatar
    Abel Tasker | 14 April 2008 at 12:24 am #

    you’re a man after my own heart

    if only you’d recite this stuff over spaced-out music

    I know, I know…you kind of do that already, but…

  6. avatar
    Daberhasher | 14 April 2008 at 12:41 am #

    well steve, i wasn’t trying to make you laugh…
    just a voice for sustainability, that’s all…
    um, i’m not for cutting down the Amazon…
    not too sure where you drew most of your conclusions directed at my post…
    there are ok folks growing all sorts of crops and livestock up here in Maine
    and everywhere else for that matter…
    locally grown and SUSTAINABLE, giving families an honest living…
    they don’t want to fuck up their water supply with pesticides,
    or tear away all their topsoil with shortsighted farming practices…
    it’s harder work for sure, but it provides and KEEPS providing…
    these people have a symbiotic relationship with the Earth,
    part of an unbroken chain…
    the world will end, that’s not really up to us…
    the world has been a greenhouse before, as well as an ice sheet…
    has our greed accelerated the whole process?
    duh, yeah…
    but she’ll wipe us out when it gets to be too much, and then she’ll heal…
    we take ourselves far too seriously, imho…
    i don’t trust the gov’t, fuck the USDA,
    animals are not supposed to live in factories,
    chemical runoff does not equal better living…
    fuck the FDA ,
    the scientists are on the payroll of the big corps…es…
    make Prozac and all that bullshit illegal, bunch of placebos,
    preferably organic dope at that…
    seems you completely missed my point on that,
    the gist was these kids getting high and being hyper aggressive,
    not getting in touch with any sort of peaceful vibration
    or inner creativity, that’s what i don’t get…
    so i don’t see any benefits in dosing a Klan rally…
    oh, it’d be fun, but i doubt any real change would come from it…
    maybe it’s all the steroids in the beef…
    it’s the meth generation, i can’t relate…
    i trust in war?!?
    hmmmm, look how far trusting war has brought us along as a species…
    i trust in the knowledge, wisdom and honor of
    the Native Americans, Aborigines, Eskimos, African Bushmen
    and any other indigenous peoples rolled over
    and stripped of their pride, land and customs
    by us white folk who obviously know better…
    now there’s a laugh…

    my point is that i’ve put myself and my family in a place where i can “see”
    where our food comes from, and freed ourselves from contributing
    to the big soulless corporate grind…
    anyone can do it…
    i support people i see every day through my choices…
    telling everyone that they can’t eat meat is as blindly totalitarian
    as any religious fundamentalism, once again imho…
    but, i never said how much meat i eat, or don’t eat as the case may be…
    i agree with you more than you think,
    my favorite book is the Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants for chrissakes…
    but i’m not gonna tell anyone what they can or cannot do…
    i can only put myself in a place where i can freely exercise my personal choices…

    anyhow, i welcome the well thought out rebuke,
    much better than the lame shotgun post yesterday
    that had very little to do with what i said…
    if you were indeed anon@4:38…

    ***and it was “most vegans i’ve met”, not “all vegans” my misquoting friend,
    but i’ve lost track of how many vegangelicals i’ve met who say,
    “yeah, i’m like all vegan now, y’know… ‘cept for like cheese…
    and eggs sometimes… they’re so yummy…”
    all said invariably while wearing a wool cap or sweater and leather Birkenstocks…
    ultimately, i think the term you’re looking for is vegetarian…

    a lexus?!?
    ha ha ha, my bicycles are worth more than my cars…


    the tripping yoga surfer, lover of the white widow…
    and maybe a bit of applewood smoked bacon on Sunday,
    before chopping firewood to keep my family warm…

    i’ll quit now, promise.

  7. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 12:55 am #

    So eloquant, Kill-bee
    So expressive, Druid
    So right, so moving, so true
    So articulate, so moving…

    Thank you!

    Olde Amps

  8. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 1:05 am #

    Bravo Kilbey. Well said…

    Maybe Obama will do some good when elected president of the US.

  9. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 2:05 am #

    Agree 100% about the ‘man’ creating a boygyman re. drugs to keep the sleeping masses in line but
    I reckon if cocaine and heroin (both gifts of nature) were freely available that they would create alot of grief. I’m a liberitarian and agree the laws for pot and acid, ecstasy , DMT and all the other hallucinogens etc etc are flawed but do you think society would be able to self regulate cocaine and heroin use. I’m sure if I could easily purchase cocaine it would turn into a problem for me. Do you think that it would all even out ,,that the possible harm created versus stoping the hypocrisy and cost of prohibition would make it worthwhile.??
    I’m not sure, I used to always say ‘just make it all legal’…but i’m not so sure anymore.
    cheers PV

  10. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 3:03 am #

    I’ve smoked a lot of dope in my time and have had a lot of fun. And i will no doubt continue to smoke in the future. Truthfully, though, it has perhaps sucked a little of my motivation and ambition – and looking back, alot of those stoned moments seem a little wasteful and juvenile. I would have been better off learning a language or doing something productive. I’ve seen at least one friend have his schizophrenia switched on by smoking dope. I don’t think you can support it in an unqualified way if you haven’t seen a person’s entire personality change, his spark extinguished, by this seemingly harmless drug. And it is only seemingly harmless. Because perhaps its effects are more insidious. You say it hasn’t done you any harm. Who’s to say it isn’t responsible for your anger/impatience issues. After 36 years of the stuff, how the hell could you make an objective judgement on exactly what its effects are. It obviously works for some more than others. I think most of us who have smoked dope secretly know when we’ve passed its used by date. When we’ve learned all the lessons we can learn from it (probably not quite as profound as we think they are). I think we secretly know when its time to grow up and learn to appreciate experiences with a clear head. And frankly, clear headed experiences are soooo much more profound and wonderful – and longer lasting. The only thing is, music sounds so much fucking better when you’re bent, dammit.

  11. avatar
    linjo | 14 April 2008 at 3:26 am #

    Did I read correctly that a mother on here has told her son its ok to take LSD? Unbelievable. She’s obviously had too much of the shit herself.

  12. avatar
    captain mission | 14 April 2008 at 3:44 am #

    there’s no doubt that the industry of ‘meat’ is destroying us. weather it destroys one’s body soul and environment is a matter of degrees either way, bird flu, mad cow, crazy goat, its all going to come back and bite us brothers and sisters, call it karma, divine justice or just bad luck but unless something changes these things are inevitable and a natural part of our un natural impact upon the planet. earths here to sustain us not be abused by us.

    as far as the wonderful medicines of the world..
    ‘just say know’
    tim leary contributed so much, his work was just a small fraction of lsd experimentation, he spent most of his life developing a map for consciousness
    and a theory of imprinting upon the 8 circuits.
    Only now these are being considered as a very effective template. strangely enough he considered himself a reincarnation of alister crowley (sorry i know that will put the cat amongst the pidgins) an amazing parallel especially when both individuals were labeled ‘the most dangerous men alive’ by the establishment.
    being free requires a lot of responsibility, not everyone seems to want that, therefore they are quite happy to surrender to the teat of governments and its administrators, while some individuals are ‘smart’ enough to know though liberation is the road less travelled, its the one that leads to the truth. plants have a lot to teach us, most of the ones i have met are much more impressive than people we let run our lives for us.

  13. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 3:45 am #

    I think this thing is malfunctioning, I wanted today’s post, not one from the year 2006. Though I have to admit that I’ve learned one valuable lesson from the TB lately: don’t risk life, limb or earning potential by taking ayahuasca – it does fuck all for you, certainly in the long term and no doubt in the short. Despite the unprecedented generosity of spririt that you put into this incredible living experiment of yours, I’m increasingly finding myself drawn elsewhere. As much as it pained me I saved my money (and my leave pass) and didn’t go to the Toff in Town the other day, instead preferring to see Marty/Lenny at Northcote on Wednesday. This has had many blinding moments but in the end mystique is good methinks.

  14. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 14 April 2008 at 3:53 am #

    Another priceless blog Sk. Idyllic Jainism, Buddhism. Hinduism and even Christianity and Judaism embrace ethical vegetarianism for being conducive for nirvana, the fruition of good karma, utopia and Messianic times.

    The commentor who thinks Obama is a panacea is not quite right. However, Obama is the lesser of all the evils running for President. He has an open mind and he’s very cerebral. Great potential if allied with enlightened people.

    Freaky Conclussions is such a great CD. I love it like a baby.

  15. avatar
    the dean | 14 April 2008 at 4:21 am #

    neither heroin nor cocaine are naturally occurring substances.

    the goddess mama coca gave the coca plant as a gift not to be shared with the white men who would corrupt it through their greed and avarice.

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    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 4:58 am #

    great blog, except for the bit about “nazi bookburners” – why is this terrible subject raised time and time again? I think by now we all agree that these atrocities must never happen again. Why dontcha compare your theme to the whitemen who decimated the native Americans, or the oh so charming Brits who slaughtered women and children at Myall Lakes?

  17. avatar
    steve kilbey | 14 April 2008 at 5:00 am #

    my message is not for everyone

  18. avatar
    princey | 14 April 2008 at 5:11 am #

    It was a similar “rant” like this at the vegan fest that helped me make the decision to stop eating meat, thanks sk. There’s so much information out there, just look up sites that show you “behind the scenes” at an abattoir, or the chicken beheading process, and so much more….it’s enough to make you vomit and cry for days.
    I hope you keep ranting forever sk.
    Love Amanda

  19. avatar
    CAPTAIN BEYOND | 14 April 2008 at 5:24 am #

    your message and my message is definitely not for everyone, one day they will know better, let’s get this party started already…

  20. avatar
    the dean | 14 April 2008 at 5:35 am #

    born in misery
    raised in discomfort and squaller
    live in fear
    would you like frys with that?
    have a nice day

  21. avatar
    fantasticandy | 14 April 2008 at 6:55 am #

    not a user……….
    music is MY high.
    the ‘control’ issue is an important one nonetheless…

  22. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 7:26 am #

    aww man but come on we have compassion forums here in the west

    bottom line
    eat yer meat
    dont eat meat
    eat whatever the hell ya want

    nobody cares what anyone
    other then they themselves does anyway

    its true
    should all get used to it
    fer yer own good

    everyone wants to be heard
    but could give rats ass about what anybody else just said

    yall know its true

  23. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 7:30 am #

    anne marie
    that fella throwin adjectives at u
    needs to be bitch slapped

    have a great day everyone!

  24. avatar
    eek | 14 April 2008 at 8:06 am #

    I’ve already commented many times over the past couple of years on the main topics of today’s blog so I’ll skip that.

    This bit caught my interest:

    do you remember a couple of years ago
    when i was self righteously ranting against iraqi war
    and i’d have a hundred furious comments

    Yes I do remember those rants and I do remember you got hundreds of comments over several blogs. However, the vast majority of those comments agreed with you. Only a few did not. Yet the only ones you remember are those who were particularly nasty. Yeah those comments stand out, but the comments on every single one of your blogs are invariably more (generally much more) positive than negative. It just bugs me that you so often ignore the positive and focus on the negative.

    Another bit that caught my attention:

    suppressing thought that differs from their own

    Funny you should write that after your absolutely uncalled for bludgeoning of daberhasher/erik yesterday when he was merely expressing (respectfully at that) thoughts that differ from yours. Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that you implored us to show each other love, respect and compassion (or some such crap)? Is that now no longer required? Or does it just not apply to you?

    Maybe I just need to stop reading this for a while. See ya.

  25. avatar
    linjo | 14 April 2008 at 9:01 am #

    Geez now i’m getting confused, didnt he bludgeon the Kobi beef guy and not Erik. Dunno must be the drugs I’m on (Champix) ga ga ga

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    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 9:45 am #

    Umm some people need to log off and rest their mind on this,
    yes many people can tune into the positive frequencies that usually permeates here..
    Yeah, it is great and interesting to find that amongst us there are those that have differing moods and views.
    I think mentalities of war and acceptive destructiveness should be called-out and discussed.
    Sometimes a walk in the dark is the only way to see the light.
    We are all manifestations of the continuum and we must bring light to the truth…

    It is hard to relate to people that are defiant of the local drunk’s right to live because thats what they were born to do, Meat eaters and purchasers are supportive of something very destructive that they want to rationalize as necessary..
    So then Yeah being vegan or vegetarian is an advancement of ideals more spiritual than Ive heard most religions speak of. The masses have been coddled into selling their own souls for a profit and its no wonder that people have trouble relating to higher ideals and renunciation, it is a complex situation when your deny yourself the ability to be peaceful…

    I respect my family for becoming vegetarian each for their own convictions and on their own terms, it just made sense. See I wouldnt romanticize killing an animal and making it wholesome just cuz my daddy made a living off of it, Naw and I bet if he did the real dirty work he has trouble sleeping at night. You see there is consciousness throughout and it speaks through us differently and many more gentler voices get put into suffering and get bludgeoned just to make some idiots smile and feel secure in his/her carnality.
    I applaud SK for connecting the dots.. I applaud all that hold the reverence for the One… I hold myself to that standard out of love for Thee.. and I will strive against the complacency and ignorance that shits all over this world…
    Americans are shocked into social submission by its ignorance, its Maya in full bloom, its comin round, recession, environment, racism, pride, vanity, I hope the changes that come teaches of greater lessons, I do hope.. peace on..

  27. avatar
    steve kilbey | 14 April 2008 at 10:44 am #

    2 facts remain
    the united nations with no axe to grind has declared that if you want to save this planet stop eating meat right now. to stop eating meat will have more impact than if everyone stopped driving their car!!!???
    does that not stagger you?
    now what will you do?
    argue with me all you fucking like, go off in huffs, or become bored disenchanted disappointed insulted non plussed or whatever
    this planet is going down the drain
    do you understand?
    this planet can not much longer tolerate the strain
    of the meat and dairy and all the rest
    the earth as big as it is
    is finite
    it is not unlimited
    you are being told something by an organization you must surely place some faith in
    the u.n.
    dont take my word for it
    google it
    research it
    or are you still arrogant and selfish and downright fucking stupid to go on eating meat.. be it organic free range pre-loved just on sunday im anaemic
    i wont be pushed around by kilbey..
    did you hear what they said?
    meat is killing this planet
    we are approaching a crisis
    what will you do?
    drugs are/can be bad for ya!
    but what i ask is
    should people smoking a joint be thrown in a jail?
    even if you all personally know someone who got burnt by their own reckless abuse of pot
    should its users be locked up?
    is it a just punishment?
    does this punishment fit the crime?
    is the use and abuse of drugs more a social or even medical or even psyche-logical matter
    rather than a legal one?
    has this war on drugs worked?
    cant the addicts still get whatever they want?
    isnt it now just a hundred times the price and illegal and in the hands of criminals but still available anyway?
    so you must ask yourself
    what is it they are trying to suppress
    to persist with this unsuccessful unnecessary
    and weird obsession of persecuting people who like to change their own consciousness?
    do you really believe that pot is more a threat to your society than guns which are freely legal and killing more people than ever?
    these are important issues
    i apologise for my brutality
    but how dare someone try to tell me about their organic beef and not think i may become angry?
    this is now a life or death matter
    you read it here first
    believe me
    im right about the meat thing
    i dont care if you all walk off
    and eat a nice steaky with eggies?
    think of me sometimes
    as the temp goes up
    as the ice melts down
    as the forests and jungles go FOREVER
    as our children inherit some hideous wrecked world
    as the fish disappear
    the fucking frogs are already dying out!
    google that if you dont believe me!
    this is so serious to me
    it is so inescapable for you
    and coming down that fucking tube so much faster than you think
    and its all in the hands of men like g w bush etc
    who you clearheaded meat eaters voted in and rationalise away his criminal and immoral actions…
    in light of that
    and seeing that
    to not eat meat is a cornerstone of EVERYTHING i am
    and that i passionately believe that the treatment of citizens who use “drugs” is criminal and immoral
    i bid all leaving fond adieu
    this is now bigger than anybodys hurt pride
    or quibbling with me over honey or whatever
    GET IT!!!!!!!!!!

  28. avatar
    Sharka | 14 April 2008 at 10:56 am #

    Sorry to break the topic, but whatever happend to your iPod, Steve?

    Didn’t it self-destruct or something?

    Where is your music coming from now?

  29. avatar
    Left Bank | 14 April 2008 at 11:09 am #

    Marijuana is good- get’s the creative juices flowing.

    E is amzing. God once again.

    As for the rest- I’m not sure.

  30. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 11:18 am #

    i may be heading elsewhere and i may be set to see lenny not you, but christ you’re lovable when you’re in this mode. you can chuck a spaz ’cause you know you’re the best at this shit and can get away with it when you come over all regretful in two and-a-half days. got to hand it to you. but your acolytes are frankly appalling,

  31. avatar
    linjo | 14 April 2008 at 11:24 am #

    Go says it all, a horrifying video and a 30 pledge sign up to try veganism. I always thought I was doing the right thing by advocating to all against eating pork, only eating free range eggs (not chick anymore). I eat a lot of cheese and sardines. I have come to think a little deeper of late eg. what happens to all the male calves born to dairy cows and all the male chicks born to layer hens. Thats is a really upsetting video. So many of us choose to ignore facts that will distress us. I feel a bit teary tonight after a particularly distressing Australian Story episode and now this. Good on you Steve for being so passionate and I am sorry I called you a tosser.

  32. avatar
    Thomas Thomsen, Denmark | 14 April 2008 at 12:05 pm #

    I don’t how you find the energy, Steve. But – great blog! And comment!

  33. avatar
    verdelay | 14 April 2008 at 12:47 pm #

    (5 minute read between essential daily tasks)

    Whatever you think of this geezer:,,2272429,00.html

    Yuppie wanker
    Careless fool
    Bit of a knob

    …you can’t deny that the punishment and the crime are somewhat mismatched. Our own society seems tolerant and open by comparison.


  34. avatar
    linjo | 14 April 2008 at 12:53 pm #

    Sorry I just had another thought while having a blubber. I remember taking the boys out to a dairy farm not far from here years ago. Beautiful friesians, big teddy faces and doe eyes, so tame and trusting. I think the bloke even had names for them. I asked him “so where do you put them when they are too old to milk?” “Oh we send them off to the abbatoir” he said. So after years of faithful service that was their destiny. He thought me an idiot because I became upset. I can only say again, watch that video if you dare, but have your vomit bowl ready if you have eaten meat tonight. I cannot feel the guilt from eating fish as they seem to have no personality but fully intend to undertake the 30 day vegan experience. Sorry for the waffle. Cathartic I suppose.

  35. avatar
    Thomas Thomsen, Denmark | 14 April 2008 at 12:56 pm #

    …And I hope you’re not only “preaching” to The Already Converted…

  36. avatar
    Anne Marie: | 14 April 2008 at 1:08 pm #

    No linjo, I don’t tell my son to “do” anything except brush his teeth twice a day, bathe, clean his room, attend to his chores and remember that we share this planet with other beings big and small and that each and every one of them has the right to be here and pursue happiness, etc.

    When it comes to drugs I say: “We all experiment, you’re bound to try ’em, so when ya do stick to the natural stuff. If you’re going to touch anything synthetic at all, then LSD, but the rest–coke, heroin, meth, anything concocted or refined by man–stay away from it, including cigarettes.”

    That’s generally what I say. I also tell him never to get behind the wheel drunk, never. And that if he and his friends are drunk at a party, or wherever the case may be, to ALWAYS call me and that I’ll pick them up no questions asked.

    I’m don’t promote drug use or alcohol use; I’m simply reasonable and want to keep everyone, including my fellow human beings that may one day share the road with a stupid drunk teen (and I know few who haven’t taken that chance of driving while drunk even as an adult), SAFE is all. And as far as suggesting that he stick to the natural stuff, but if he has to veer, go with LSD, same thing. I’ve never met a single person ever with and addiction to LSD. I’ve never met a single person come undone with its use. Sure, temporarily maybe while on a bad trip. But the numbers re. pleasant experiences and low side effects are far better than most legal drugs.

    To educate my son is what I see as my responsibility. To exist in a state of denial and give Nancy’s “just say no to drugs, honey” is a disservice to him.

  37. avatar
    peter walsh | 14 April 2008 at 1:09 pm #

    Yeah, yeah, yadda, yadda – but what about Heyday?

  38. avatar
    Anne Marie: | 14 April 2008 at 1:10 pm #

    excuse the typos… 😉
    trying to get out the door

  39. avatar
    Anne Marie: | 14 April 2008 at 1:13 pm #

    oops! “who have taken that chance…”

    not: “who haven’t…”

    that one was particularly erroneous. lol.

    off to work! have a good one folks.

  40. avatar
    steve kilbey | 14 April 2008 at 1:22 pm #

    if you
    and only you
    for 30 days
    or even 30 hours
    it will have been worth it
    thanks for giving it a try

  41. avatar
    no druggies=no drug problems | 14 April 2008 at 1:25 pm #

    Yes, Steven, someone smoking a spliff should go to jail. Not to protect that person from him or herself, but to protect me from that person. Perhaps in Oz all you druggies are really responsible and only smoke behind closed doors. In the UK you’ve got 10 year-olds smoking dope in the street, 15 year-olds smoking dope on public transport, blah, etc. Why the fuck should I have to breathe in that foul shit? So yeah – jail the fuckin lot, I sez. And no, I don’t smoke cigs or drink alcohol or caffeine (nor eat meat, & nor, seein as these days a pollution analogy is always drawn, do I drive a car or use air travel). I ain’t part of the problem. You are: no druggies = no drug problems. Simple really.

  42. avatar
    sly grin | 14 April 2008 at 1:28 pm #

    How good are you at spotting the Devil’s Advocate…?

  43. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 1:30 pm #

    Is it just the West that inculcates its own beliefs in its people? Try the caste system in India…how enlightened is that?

  44. avatar
    Ross B | 14 April 2008 at 1:44 pm #

    Linda, thanks for the reference, it’s good website though will have to wait to get to a broadband connection to watch the videos. Once I give up my once a week tunatins then that’s it. Meaty foods I never liked.

    According to many reports the CIA is using drug income to build and maintain d.u.m.b.s (deep underground military bases) worldwide in connection with grays ; this is classified ‘above top secret’ by u.s. intelligence.
    I neither believe or disbelieve this but remain open to the likelihood – nonetheless the pressing issues of the day are climate change & ecosystem collapse along with worldwide peaking of the availability of cheap fossil fuel (the energy of dead matter compressed and fortified over millions of years) leading to predicted hikes & spikes in the cost of transport, manufacturing, agriculture and therefore food; many analysts are predicting societal collapse in the western world within the next 10 years…this symphony of sorts seems to have commenced already. Killa’s blog only serves as another reinforcement to this.

    I’ve been reading too much about these issues over time and am starting to feel a little distressed and overwhelmed with it all. To cheer up I trundled off to the balmain ukulele club tonight for the first time – that was warm and rootsy and good fun. May blog it tomorrow night.

    Nero fiddles while Rome burns baby….

    I’m often reminded of Shakespeare’s Macbeth where the witch tells Macbeth that his reign over the kingdom is safe until the trees rise from valley up to his castle at the top of the mountain. Macbeth scoffed at the thought until at the end of the play soldiers using the trees as disguises moved themselves up the hill. Isn’t the ensemble effect of the melting of the arctic caps and the dumping of ice shelves in antarctica and greenland merely a symbolic yet utterly undeniable gesture by the Earth herself to inform us and firmly remind us that our way of life is finished??

    It’s gonna be fucking horrid…

    What to do what to do…lotsoflovetoall, RB.

  45. avatar
    Titwillow | 14 April 2008 at 1:57 pm #

    Skinny bones AM
    Just because you have never seen an LSD casualty does not mean they don’t exist. They most definitely do. Check it out before you advocate it to your son.

  46. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 2:07 pm #

    Good work, Kilbster. But they won’t learn. Maybe it’s for the best? After all, the planet will recover after we’ve finally killed ourselves off.

  47. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 2:53 pm #

    This planet cannot be saved.
    The virus Man cannot is not meant to be saved.

  48. avatar
    daydreamer | 14 April 2008 at 3:27 pm #

    I’d be the first to agree we Westerners have been/are being sold a bill of goods on any number of subjects. I agree with much of what you say. Mass produced meat is not good for the environment nor is it the best use of resources. However, agribusiness (ie corn, soy) are more harmful to the land than beef grazing. Check it out. The key is to research where ALL your food comes from, plus the circumstances under which it was produced, and make the best choices that are available to you. Think of all the fuel burned shipping food all over the globe and buy local whenever possible. If you can’t give up meat, then at least eat less of it. And make sure it comes from animals that were not abused in their lives, and humanely sacrificed (whatever that means.)


  49. avatar
    fantasticandy | 14 April 2008 at 3:29 pm #

    just been checking this UN report out…….
    70% of the USA’s organic foodstuffs
    are eaten by factory-farmed animals!
    does that really make sense?…
    to anyone?

    quorn chilli’s quite nice.
    mmmm….spicy..with plenty of red kidney beans!
    don’t fight people,
    be nice.
    andy L.

  50. avatar
    ScaughtFive | 14 April 2008 at 3:41 pm #

    The center cannot hold. Change is inevitable. I think some of y’all up in here may find that quite frightening, eh? P.S. Dear TeatWallow, why you gotta be like that to Sweet A.M., eh? You play nice, arrrigght?

  51. avatar
    Anne Marie: | 14 April 2008 at 4:02 pm #

    My son will make his own decisions, unlike some who will eat whatever bullshit the telly, the military, gamecube, wii, Monsanto, et al feed them. I can only advise as best I can bearing in mind the larger scope of casualties. If you prefer to continue to swallow spoonfuls of what the media, corporate fascists and political pundits tell ya is good for you, go right on ahead. I honor free will especially when it includes “right action” (i.e., so long as my pursuit of happiness doesn’t hinder or infringe upon another’s free will to pursue theirs, so long as my actions do not cause harm and perpetuate suffering… blah, blah, blah… anything goes), Ms or Mr. Titwillow.

  52. avatar
    Cee | 14 April 2008 at 4:08 pm #

    I’m a witch with magic cookies and come to think of it they’re vegan!! I don’t think I should go to the poky for my magic cookies.

  53. avatar
    wary | 14 April 2008 at 4:12 pm #

    Steve, please be more careful with all this talk of drug use/abuse. I dunno how liberal the drug laws are in Australia but what’d happen if the Sydney Social Services (or whatever they’re called down there) were tipped off about the extent of your drug use while you’ve got a little kid in the apartment ? There’s far too many arseholes out there as you well know and THAT doesn’t bear thinking about. Please tread lightly, man.

  54. avatar
    still wary | 14 April 2008 at 4:17 pm #

    Fuck, I can just see some arsehole half-reading that and jumping in with both feet going “how fucking dare you threaetn him like that”, etc. NO. No. No: I’m fuckin worried that some dick out there will stick the knife in & that’s what I DON’T want to happen! Got that? Phew..

  55. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 4:30 pm #

    Here is an easy switch to veggie chili, sounds delish, I’d omit the cumin though.


    * 1 tablespoon olive oil
    * 1/2 medium onion, chopped
    * 2 bay leaves
    * 1 teaspoon ground cumin
    * 2 tablespoons dried oregano
    * 1 tablespoon salt
    * 2 stalks celery, chopped
    * 2 green bell peppers, chopped
    * 2 jalapeno peppers, chopped
    * 3 cloves garlic, chopped
    * 2 (4 ounce) cans chopped green chile peppers, drained
    * 2 (12 ounce) packages vegetarian burger crumbles
    * 3 (28 ounce) cans whole peeled tomatoes, crushed
    * 1/4 cup chili powder
    * 1 tablespoon ground black pepper
    * 1 (15 ounce) can kidney beans, drained
    * 1 (15 ounce) can garbanzo beans, drained
    * 1 (15 ounce) can black beans
    * 1 (15 ounce) can whole kernel corn


    1. Heat the olive oil in a large pot over medium heat. Stir in the onion, and season with bay leaves, cumin, oregano, and salt. Cook and stir until onion is tender, then mix in the celery, green bell peppers, jalapeno peppers, garlic, and green chile peppers. When vegetables are heated through, mix in the vegetarian burger crumbles. Reduce heat to low, cover pot, and simmer 5 minutes.
    2. Mix the tomatoes into the pot. Season chili with chili powder and pepper. Stir in the kidney beans, garbanzo beans, and black beans. Bring to a boil, reduce heat to low, and simmer 45 minutes. Stir in the corn, and continue cooking 5 minutes before serving.

  56. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 4:32 pm #

    I know most of what you say of the meat industry is right exept for one thing…
    The United Nations wont say it because it would cause a furore. The number one cause of the planets decline is not meat eating. It’s us, There’s just too many of us. Most of us wanting to drive cars,fly planes and run fridges.
    Every child we have = another whole lifetime of waste and comsumption whether they eat meat or not. The demand for more food production to feed our exploding population is whats behind deforestation and of course the horrors of the meat indutry.
    No don’t turn me into a strawman. I’m not saying anyone should kill there children.
    I’m just saying if you want to get on a soapbox about the state of the enviroment you should accept your own part in it’s demise.
    I don’t eat meat,i’ve never driven a car and i’ve never had a child.
    I don’t buy newspapers new clothing, leathergoods etc etc and i keep my power consumption to a minimum.
    But even so, In more ways than i can count i contribute to the destruction of the planet everyday.
    Look at yourselves people,were all hippocrites.
    The self righteous asslicking on here is cringeworthy.
    Eek and Eric being notable exeptions.
    Steve this blog is often brilliant but you do have a habit of attacking your most self possessed and articulate commenters.
    Then complaining that your blog is full of yesmen and sycophants.
    I cant help but wonder if your life has followed this pattern too.

  57. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 14 April 2008 at 6:28 pm #

    The vile beef, pork, poultry and fishing industries are more responsible for environmental crises than anything else. They cause deforestation, the decimation of marine and terrstrial ecosystems, biodiversity, coral reefs, rainforests, and wildlife habitats. They ccause massive air, water and land pollution. Our fresh water supply is waning because too much water is used to raise and slaughter intelligent sentient animals.

    Empedocles was right several thousand years ago and Kilbey is irrefutably correct today.

    the idea of eating the dead carcass of a fellow creature is anathema.

  58. avatar
    fantasticandy | 14 April 2008 at 6:57 pm #

    oooooh no! 2:30am
    the cumin is one of the best bits!!!!!!!!

    oh and 2:32
    if you think i’m an asslicker,
    you don’t know shit.

  59. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 7:12 pm #

    The cumin makes my belly go flippity!

  60. avatar
    Anne Marie: | 14 April 2008 at 7:30 pm #

    “Steve this blog is often brilliant but you do have a habit of attacking your most self possessed and articulate commenters. Then complaining that your blog is full of yesmen and sycophants. I cant help but wonder if your life has followed this pattern too.”

    I must say I do find this a very valuable bone of contention for even myself to chew on from time to time. We’re all generally guilty of sayin’ one thing and doin’ another, are we not? Don’t know if it’s the Gemini in me or what, but I have a habit of always looking at things from the flip side, especially when examining myself. Just wanted to show the commenter some support on this one.

    oh, and did I say ‘bone’? hahahaha. Yes, I did.

  61. avatar
    davem | 14 April 2008 at 7:42 pm #

    Ass? It’s arse where I’m from. An altogether nice word somehow. Arse.
    Anywaysup…fab blog SK but I’m concerned at Holly. She’s Kilbey to the core and I REALLY don’t like seeing her upset…especially when I’m not quite sure why she’s so pissed off. We’d miss you on here Holly. You were one of the very first on TTB. A long time before most of us. I remember well the gun debate….yikes.
    SK – keep doing what you do. Many of us have taken the veggie path with a helpful shove from you.

  62. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 8:42 pm #

    So true! Has always been true, will always be true.Except for the ignorance part. I don`t think ignorance explains it, rather fear that their cover is being blown and that you will have all these truthseeking hard-to-control longhaired (or bald) anarchisttypes on mindmanifesting esoteric drugs seeing through the whole shebang and acting accordingly. That REALLY is a threat for those in control….. What if a huge part of the population was enlightened? What if they gave a war and nobody came (as the old song goes….) All the powerstructures crumbling, all the fear going and what is left is the fact that we inhabit a blue planet in Deep Space hurling through Infinite Space at horrifying speed – into the Great Unknown -what then….?

  63. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 9:08 pm #

    i want to run my fridge
    but the guilt is killin me

    look there seems to be a great deal of collective human self loathing
    no suprise there ,thats what we do

    were humans

    ya cant take sumthin that on a very basic level (humanity) sucks
    and spit polish it into some shiny new version
    look how were all freakin out runnin round eatin meat
    not eatin meat
    look some guy up ther just fibbed bout not drivin , or flyin , or eatin food or somethin, no big deal its funny

    its all funny…
    somedays days its dreamy in here
    others ,provacative
    monday a rant
    tuesday a poem

    but underneathall of our observations n comments
    beneath the thin veneer
    of control
    what with all of our well wishing
    and peace and love …

    i think

    were all very scared

    like in the movies
    a deer
    eats grass
    looks up
    knows the fires comin

    that moment
    thats where were at

    the fires comin

    try to make nice

  64. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 10:27 pm #

    Your rationale for survival is strong; however, it could be stronger still with an even distribution of compromise. You, as you presently exist, are giving up little if anything and asking those with whom your conflict lies to change the very foundation of their lifestyle. Food, water (and the other one) are the grass roots – the meat and potatoes – of life. And life, as most Westerners live it, is cyclical, and the recurrent birthday BBQs and Xmas ham-n-fam-elations are cause for wanting to live in the first place. Knocking first place on its arse for its flaws is a hard one to rise above. That’s not to say that it can’t be done, because it can – and it has happened for some here. Many have changed the skew of their memories: firstly for themselves and their families; then for Earth, and, it seems, for you. You, as opposed – because opposition is fundamentally what you are when you challenge their way of life – come across, in tone and composure, as the arrogator with the clear cut premise. You are a consumer who uses a good deal of natural resources to earn your living and enjoy your leisure. The continuing climb in years of:
    – EXPENDING MORE of the finite (biological) resources (you articulately indexed) than your average reader because of the nature of your work. You could accurately populate the list for your reader’s perusal if you wanted to display the same degree of integrity as some on here
    – OVERINDULGING in organic and inorganic euphoriants
    – EXCESSIVE materialism. I won’t bum off a list – I’d be here all day – but your art alone is a growing network of paper in all shapes and sizes.

    Have you assessed the damage you’re doing? Yes, it’s ongoing. When are you planning on stopping or making some changes? You have suggested a few ways with which your reader can turn things around. Can we suggest a few ways for you to save the planet?
    Cut out:
    – All plants other than those for dietary purposes (no embedded – exponential – meaning intended)
    – The lighting shows
    – The excessive on-stage effects
    – Evening performances
    – All performances at venues with questionable menus
    – Junk art.

    Also, you could begin with some light reading at:

    And perhaps you should have tried a ruler instead of a big stick:

    Slow and steady wins the race.

    MP x

  65. avatar
    tim | 14 April 2008 at 10:38 pm #

    in the last half hour i

    1. smoked one
    2. ate 2 veggie burgers
    3. read this blog

    i luv my life

    what left to say then..

    what do people have against living on a cleaner, healthy planet?
    besides fear, ignorance or money?…

    luv ya all


  66. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 April 2008 at 10:57 pm #

    There would probably be a hell of a lot more paper wastage if he didnt try to support his family by being on C Link benefits. They just lurve writing to you. Maybe we should all just stop using dunny paper too. Bit of rationale folks. I am off to the shops now to buy me mung beans.

  67. avatar
    princey | 14 April 2008 at 11:09 pm #

    No MP, make that “Many have changed the skew of their IGNORANCE”!

  68. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 April 2008 at 12:22 am #

    What happened to only one comment per person?

  69. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 April 2008 at 12:39 am #

    ‘my message is not for everyone’
    what are you talking about kilbey
    who is it for then?

  70. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 April 2008 at 12:59 am #

    you wouldn’t snub your nose at beef, If you were starving . you are so clueless .
    by the way, I had a bowel movement this morning . no problems with passing the beef Through. Try putting fiber in your diet.

    Mr. Kobe beef

  71. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 April 2008 at 1:19 am #

    wanna be

  72. avatar
    nickfiction | 15 April 2008 at 2:01 am #

    the US outlaws the ” weed ” because they can’t regulate it ! The atf would have no job left if we were all growing weed. It’s just business. Personally i feel the weed sometimes drags folks down a bit … inducing laziness and replaces ambition with sloth. Some fare well , other don’t. I wish they would let people have all the weed they want. But don’t forget those nasty chemicals you were ranting about earlier….. the weed is grown with unbelievable amounts of unnatural chemicals to get you higher…. had to add my 2 cents or 3 …. sorry

  73. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 April 2008 at 2:24 am #

    It is written in not-so-esoteric(or obscure) eastern literature that those who vehemently condemn others are just the flipside of the same coin. Of course I paraphrase, but nonetheless the pseudo-spiritual ridiculousness still reigns here on the Kilbey Ego Hour.
    What may ultimately be destroying this planet is the rampant elevation of the self, which manifest’s in thinking that our particular beliefs and opinions should be what “all” believe.
    Meat isn’t the issue Kilbey….FEAR is.

  74. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 April 2008 at 2:25 am #

    is mwp veg too??

  75. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 April 2008 at 3:16 am #

    Kilbey’s rhetoric is a cry for help maybe you might need Dr. Phil instead of Oprah

  76. avatar
    The Kipper | 15 April 2008 at 5:53 am #

    An excellent blog, SK. Not that I agree with most of it, but it does open up a bit of (hopefully) intelligent discussion. I’m not sure why a few long-timers are getting pissed off; I suspect it has more to do with something else going on behind the scenes.

    One thing is absolutely for sure: no one here is totally right or totally wrong. A bit of research will reveal a lot about the U.N. report and Henning Steinfeld, and a bit of critical thinking and common sense will expose more bullshit on both than found on a Montana cattle mega-ranch. As with all agendas, half-truths and distortions are the foundations of the fanatical sensibilities required to stir the passions of the “believers”. Historical exclusionism or revisionism is one component of such a process…while a person with common sense can easily figure out that 30% of the the earth’s land area is NOT covered with livestock ranches, it also helps the agenda to not tell people that, for example, North America was once the home of more than 60 million bison (and that’s a lot of buffalo farts). Anyway, if people want to know the truth about both sides of an issue (and they should), then they should take the time to do a little research about both sides and actually understand the complexities involved.

    I read and respect everything you write about on this blog, SK. Whether I agree or disagree with you isn’t relevant; my presence has more to do with the remarkable musical journey you’ve given me since I bought Heyday more than 20 years ago. I know that no one–not me, not you–has all of the answers, but I’ve learned to respect others’ opinions, despite however misguided and naive they seem to my own knowledge and sensibility. Diversity, in that sense, is what makes life so interesting.

    Love ya man, keep the blogs coming.

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