posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:46 pm

read this following document carefully

heres what happens to nearly EVERYONE ive ever known in the biz

the whole record company mechanism is prone to this kind of thing

we are all being diddled!

52 Responses to “i’d like you all read what happened to james taylor”

  1. avatar
    Lars | 8 October 2012 at 6:17 pm #

    Since yesterday, I cannot stop thinking about all the money I spent on music and where it most probably went – and I am getting mad as hell!

    But as we cannot travel back in time (yet) and make it all undone, I can only draw the right conclusions. And I started to buy attendatwo from bandcamp (and by the way: I am blown away – Great work!).

  2. Kraig
    Kraig | 8 October 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    What a racket, fiasco, charade, circus this all is! Bait and Switch! Bend over Rover! Geez, read 80% of that and very SICKening! I mean, I’ve been ripped a new one more than a few times in my life but this is RIDICULOUS! Godspeed, God Bless, and Good Fortunes my friend!

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    Billy Baldwin | 8 October 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    Ok Killa, we gotta help you man. This is total bullshit. I have been thinking about it all night and day. Really pissed off. How can this be that the artist who dreams it all up, creates this work of art gets nothing. The system is totally fucked. We gotta find a new model for you and the guys.

    The way forward is to do it totally yourself – don’t make cds anymore, just a download link where the person can pay for the music and the sleeve. I know I am 1000% happy to do that.

    The internet providers and peer to peer sharing must be closed down. No artist can make money when their album is being downloaded by the millions. The record companies need to die, there is no room for a label anymore, it is DYI.

    As i said in previous rants, Church fans unite, and lets work out a strategy for you to go forward and make money. I can promise you Killa, you will be surprised at how this could work… Have some faith brother. ..

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      Trevor | 9 October 2012 at 3:20 pm #

      Count me in, and I see many great suggestions here on how The Church can move forward into a new way of doing business. All great, but I detect a degree of urgency in SKs plea. He may actually be going under financially and needs help NOW.

      Hows this for a suggestion….count how many The Church CDs/LPs we all have in our collections and donate, say, AU$10 for each and every one of these to SK & The Church. This would cover the royalties, etc they should have been paid through the initial sale price. Between all of us we should be able to plug the leak, then sort out the rest as we go.

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    Billy Baldwin | 8 October 2012 at 8:09 pm #

    Got another idea. Why not do the pledge thing. Get everyone to chip in $$$$ to make an album. Other artists do it successfully around the world. Try the guy from the Wildhearts (Ginger). Google him to see what i mean. He made a shitload direct from all the fans – there were various packages produced for people’s budgets. You guys have your own studio, and you have access to printing, cd production if you want etc. Who needs distribution. DYI Killa… I guarantee, you will make $ going forward. Flood the market with all your jams, live shit…

    Putting on the live shows etc – I have some ideas about this too but it will take too long to type….Have to chat offline..

    Do you guys own your back catalogue outright?

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      Anonymous | 9 October 2012 at 12:34 pm #

      Sounds good!!!
      Cut the middlemen out of the equation,and utilise your own assets.I would definitely purchase,direct from the band,a copy of the live performances I attend.I’m thinking most other people at a gig would too,it’s the ultimate souvenir.
      You know that there are a lot of very passionate fans out there that would be more than willing to support you with whatever you need to work this out.The Church is part of me,and I’ll always support you guys.

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    thebigbopper | 8 October 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    Seems to be the initial contract where they get you. ie your $500 deal. The excitement of signing a “record deal” overcomes young artist. Fucking shame!!!

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      Anonymous | 9 October 2012 at 11:07 am #

      offer downloads for free which is not in violation of any contract, you can give away anything you want ~~~ and then allow those who’ve downloaded to donate separately a charitable contribution any amount they want for the download you gave them to the “arts”… I think 70 percent of fans of other bands that do this to get away/around contracts that are worse than sweatshop slavery is what I’ve heard is an average…; and I’ve heard though some may only afford a few bucks, others donate quite a lot – so either way, it’s bettr than being ripped off by corps – and: it’s legal! oh, also – there’s the request that for those downloads/contributions that in exchange they “like” them on facebook – therefore… regardless of the amount of donation the facebook likes = potential advertising revenues. and those, have nothing to do with labels’ abilities to sink their greedy hands into either.

  6. Kraig
    Kraig | 8 October 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Even though i want you and The Church to stay TOGETHER, of course, i cannot help but relate to this fiasco and silliness!? I want to contribute any way i can either by monetary or spiritually or prayer or anything to keep The Church and SK Alive! All i can say right now, looking from outside in, instead of from inside out, is you should get a GOOD Lawyer but your probably already have one, and to get what you WELL deserve, then take that momentum and carry on. I do have to ask though what the other members have to do with this? I LOVE Marty’s work and charisma and hope he has nothing to do with this split…I remember meeting you two in 1994 while Sometime Anywhere was in acoustic play and felt so memorized and tranquil while listening to your sermon, met you after the show, etc..then went on to follow up on the Hologram of Baal Tour in 98 and got high, bad ass set, then in 2006 it was a REAL TREAT to see Forget Yourself on Tour and you guys ROCKED, and then in 2010 the 30th Anniversary Tour where you guys did all 2 albums my God who knew?! Awesome!

    To quit the band after something like this and do all those shows, meet all those fans, travel to all those places, is like missing my coffee with cream, i mean i can live without it but it’s NOT THE SAME MY MAN!? I beg of thee to come to some conclusion for the sake of society, the band, and every fan out there. Like someone said earlier, a Post-Mayan Calendar World without The Church might as well end on December 21st 2012! Not October, when The Church ‘s Sound is at a most uplifting down lift shift?

    Please seek legal advice and compromise with your one pop shop fan label if not already offending them, we all beg of thee to reconsider your plea, and never ever sign a 50/50 contract again and get out of this one to a better one that suits you and the band…we are looking forward to what The Church recorded in the present day sessions 2012 or at least release what has been recorded we pray from all us fans. Again, Steven…been with you since Starfish 88 i was driving home one night after leaving my grease pit of a job and changed my life ever since, and will never leave those thoughts, but i love all of you guys the same and to see the love go away between the four of you because of money is a shame, at least release your new solo or Church tunes on your own label but if written contracts have you at bay, at least add a new member or call The Church something different i.e. “The Church2” or “The Church & Saints” or something in order to release the new gems you 4 have been recording n put to your own label and management. God Bless and Good Fortunes plus some Brother…

    You guys are more than money, your our spirit, music, and life!

  7. avatar
    Billy Baldwin | 8 October 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    You should all check this out again. This is why the Church are the best and that they are valid and should keep going

    • avatar
      thetimebeing | 9 October 2012 at 10:24 am #

      yeah we are the best
      but i still wanna get paid!

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      Trevor | 9 October 2012 at 3:01 pm #

      Thanks Billy,

      Number one item on my ‘bucket list’ is to see The Church live. Despite living in Australia (Tasmania), being a poor mature-aged uni student means I am unlikely to see them this Summer, which may be the last opportunity for all of us….seeing them playing “An Interlude” (my fave from Blurred Crusade) brought tears….!

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    Kohl Ette | 8 October 2012 at 9:32 pm #

    This must have been most boring to no one than poor Mr Taylor himself, although similar must have happened to many others of course. You’d think 50% in some of those cases is pretty straightforward and yet… seems like an artist has to be more proficient at accounting etc than people supposedly qualified. Not casting aspersions on the whole field, there are some who are good at their jobs.So anyway, it’s a strange sort of dilemma to think how badly musos are ripped off and how potentially wealthy they are. I guess that leaves them to choose to do great constructive things with their money when or if they actually receive it. wow, big wigs could just donate theirs straight to starving artists?! :/

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    BROKEN TOYS AND HEROS | 8 October 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    That’s a disgrace and totally unacceptable !!!

    I wish you the very best as always Killer !!!

    You will triumph over these injustices – I always
    have had faith in you …thru dark times and days
    covered in smiles – see you at the top of the
    MOUNTAIN !!!


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    narelle | 9 October 2012 at 12:50 am #

    not sure what to think of this as there only a bit of the contract he signed
    also, whats he been doing for the past 40 in the way he manages his life…and in this case music/income
    maybe a case of too much too little too late
    even though its an awful situation why let anything get this chaotic and drag on so long…beats me

    with all due respect to musicians in what is essentially a business…they are no different, one man or multi national…i.e. easy to ‘get caught’ either through sheer stupid ignorance or by anothers crim, thieving, unlawful activity
    thats why in my humble opinion the majority stick to working for the man…seems to me that either way we’re screwed… having to answer to some arsehole, or, work for yourself and still potentially risk being unpaid by some arsehole

    and just one thing that keeps coming to mind…is there anyone that reads this blog that can honestly say they have paid in FULL for ALL the music they have in their collection, past or present…LP, CD, downloads etc??????

    I bought my first record about 40 years ago and in all that time I have always believed that I have to pay the going price….to the artist which I think is a mini pathetic amount (used to be about a dollar)…as a matter of principle and integrity…in other words I have not stolen a cent from the music world/industry
    how many others can say the same because a thief is a thief…don’t care what dopey excuse or reason people come up with…let the count begin…justice…music to my ears

    PS bought the first 2 James Taylor LPs…paid in full!
    an audit is essential common business practice…hell what took him so damn long

    take care Steve

  11. avatar
    timetunnel | 9 October 2012 at 2:43 am #

    Nine years ago a German book titled “Mix, Burn and R.I.P. – The End of the Music Industry” was released. It was a pretty clever book that got lots of good reviews here. It dealt with the massive boost of chances and opportunities for artists due to the digital revolution. It also had very insightful chapters about the “traditional” music industry and especially about the contracts artists had to sign. I was shocked. I mean, I had already known, of course, that the music industry’s first goal is profit and not the artist. But I wasn’t aware that they ripped off the artists to THAT extent. I was also shocked about the fact that independent labels had these kind of contracts as well.

    As a result of reading that book I was crossing my fingers that the end of the music industry as we know it would come indeed and as soon as possible. From then on I maximized my efforts to buy albums from the artists directly. I was hoping that as many bands as possible would survive the transition from the old music industry to the digital, more artist-fan-focused world. And of course I was hoping for The Church to survive that as well.

    Now, finally, it seems like the zombies from the music industry have taken another toll. The music industry is not as dead as it should be, but my favourite band seems to be dying.

    I can’t express how much I HATE money. It’s even worse than wars. It kills in other ways, more subtle, with a huge death toll (literally and in a transferred sense). There are so many ideas which make lots of sense but won’t become reality just because of the lack of MONEY. And an insanely huge amount of stupid things are done because of MONEY. I know it’s all actually more complex, but I want my money rant here. Because it’s TRUE, money SUCKS. But can also do good… sometimes. Sigh.

    So, is this really another of the many stories where fucking MONEY ends things? Where corporations (already proven to act the same way psychopaths do) destroy all beauty? It makes me endlessly sad and furious.

    Steve, I have to, and want to, respect your decision, and I dearly hope that the tiny door crack you have left open for the band will be the start into another bright future of The Church.

    Whatever this future will be like, I will follow the paths of you and the other band members.

    All the best

  12. avatar
    goshira | 9 October 2012 at 3:07 am #

    (53) Sweet Baby James ultimately redistributed his wealth to those who needed it most. He didn’t initially mean to, but i am sure he is pleased with the outcome. Case closed.

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    ceiltsei | 9 October 2012 at 3:53 am #

    I have been trying to figure out how to write to you after this mess for a couple of days. I know very well the state of the music industry and how their idea of “If we must go down, everybody will follow, even indies” and that is how it is occurring. The very few channels for purchasing music here in the Americas – Walmart, Amazon, iTunes, scattered music stores like HMV (which are shutting down and no longer profit on music, so they don’t order the music), scattered mom and pop stores, and band websites. However, something fantastic appeared recently – bandcamp and its competitors. There are some artists who are actually getting some revenue due to this service. (yes I know you use this service). When I look at the big picture, I see more than just music being crushed under these industry giants. I see books, movies, and even educational services being decimated. If I go to a book store to find a certain book.. nope, been out of print since 1998. I remember when I was able to find a huge The Church section at my local music store.. gone, three shelves of Lady Gaga and very few investments in other types of music. The industry has tried to demonstrate that normal music is Lady Gaga, Madonna, Hip Hop, and whatever else the big heads try to publish as Pop music. The other styles, atmospheric music, metal, good ol’ rock, subtle electronica, all down the wash. You are abnormal if you listen or request this type of thing! Only one of these genres has a huge underground scene which sees decent sales, and that is Metal. (I know how you feel about this but let me explain) The reason is the listeners are a lot more passionate about this style of music than most others (think about how tame pop music sounds and anything that sounds like pop is too tame for them, anything comparing to pop can be washed into that category), thus there are websites dedicated to release dates, information about who is playing on what, and its much bigger than the whole pop music fan underground. The fan dedication is unbelievable. Don’t look at it as Metal, see it as a business model. They did something right, and I will tell you why. They got fucked over by the industry too, but they fought and fought and gave fans open access to their creative process and even access to their music business. The fans would set up shows for them, volunteer for mixing and sound, do anything really. (Kids these days).

    This leads up to something of course..

    Steve Kilbey, your bands and your music. It’s really very similar. You have let your fans in as well and they would do so much for you. What good you have made us feel, we would love to return. (speaking for others whom I know)

    We can help you buy back The Church license and rights to the music from current owners. Set up all of the music on some incredible site like Bandcamp. They take a percent, and so does paypal, but there is a much bigger profit and the system is so easy for customers to use. Best part, they also allow physical sales!

    I have a plan which could change the entire music industry. I do not want to see these giants remove beautiful things that makes life worth living. At the moment it is almost impossible to start up, but I will show it to you once I do set it up and maybe it will make sense. Just look at the BS the industry giants have lobbied for in Japan, 2 years in jail? Huge fines? For a fucking mp3? You cannot ever trust something as evil as a company who will get laws changed in order to protect their falling profits. I have watched the whole industry the last 10 years.. I have decided NOT to release my music because of this! I have 20 albums of material which I absolutely refuse to finish up because of this horrible treatment. I am angry, frustrated.. years of my life writing music flushed down the drain. Fucking horrible feeling. Whatever you do, you have the fans and the respect. You are there man. Do what you feel does right but never ever feel restricted. It is obvious how they run this industry now, but dodging their model is now an option.

    I want to leave with one last thing.

    Near the end of No Certainty Attached you got at Robert Lurie for praising you like some kind of god. Hard to understand how someone can deserve this sort of thing. Seems almost immature. But wait a minute.. you have written some incredible music. You have made some people really happy. (the hot boxed priest = aura sessions.. haha!) Music is pure human emotion. Every note is there for a reason. If spiritual people listen and feel so much more than the initial sounds, it is obvious there would be people who praise it for being much more than what the sounds are capable of. You are like a radio where your thoughts and ours mix together beautifully. This will continue long after you are gone. Some of the beautiful things in the world have been written by you.

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    Boriah | 9 October 2012 at 4:46 am #

    On contrary take a look at guys like, for instance, Gene Simmons, commanding the ship with iron fist. Money first. Those guys are fucking rich cause they never let anyone to fuck with them… 🙁

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    Eric | 9 October 2012 at 6:04 am #


    Why don’t you spend some time looking into alternative ways to market and sell your music independently and directly? Your audience is extremely faithful. We will find you and the music

    Go digital
    Go direct
    Fuck the system

    And quit fucking bitching. Create a solution for yourself other than just breaking up the band.

  16. avatar
    fen | 9 October 2012 at 9:39 am #

    Thank you for sharing your heart and soul, music, words, art, all of it.
    i empathise with you (and the rest of the band i assume, despite SMotion’s implications in their reply). i hope this gets sorted for everyone’s sake.
    thank you for sharing this article as well. ol’ JT is one I’ve listened to since i was a child.

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    Once | 9 October 2012 at 10:34 am #

    Ok, so…how come Mick Jagger is really rich ? And Keef and Charie and Ronnie? What did they do differently? This is not a neeer-neeer post,just wondering how it’s possible to be in the biz and end up living off of it??? Like they kinda did??? What was at play???

    • avatar
      thebigbopper | 9 October 2012 at 7:13 pm #

      Lets see, the Stones sold a gazillion records and sell out stadiums on tour, other than that no difference. Not being a smart ass but gee wiz comparing stones to the church is ludicrous. By the way I prefer the church any day.

      • avatar
        GJM | 9 October 2012 at 8:12 pm #

        They also had a 20 year headstart on The Church.

        More importantly, the Stones and some of their contemporaries (Beatles and Led Zeppelin in particular) had cunning/crafty/entrepreneurial/aggressive managers who got them very good deals.


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    That girl | 9 October 2012 at 11:07 am #

    James Taylor , ask anyone under thirty if they know who he is ? The answer is no unless it has been sampled or covered by jay z! Now let’s not get mad at jay z at least he knows who James is let’s get mad at the music business. How you do this? Well you can’t . It’s about big money remember. With saying this always pass the music on xoxo so in orleans cape cod had dinner at mahoney’s atlantic grill and yet again when you least expect it sk an unguarded moment just happens over the house speakers. The music is still passed on. Keep you posted.

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    again | 9 October 2012 at 11:10 am #

    if every artist did this (and if the corps wanted to lobby/change the laws, it would take years for them to do anything about it!!!), you could all successfully stop the madness of greed!

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    Anonymous | 9 October 2012 at 11:54 am #

    pretty reminder:

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    crooked nose | 9 October 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    what a scam, evil, rape,…how can we fight back?

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    Lady Di | 9 October 2012 at 3:25 pm #

    Go get em SK, they’re nothing but thieves!
    I’ll march in the protest!

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    Gavin | 9 October 2012 at 3:43 pm #

    I have beat this drum a few times before on other sites like Hotel Womb: But here I go again The Church and UK band Marillion were both “1 hit wonders.” They both had a million-selling album in the mid-80’s. By 1996 Marillion could not get financial backing from their independent label to tour North America. One fan decided to start a tour fund where fans could chip in to fund the tour. Long story short, they raised over 60, 000 dollars. Fast forward 4 years, it’s now 2000. Marillion then went a step further. Not wanting to ask a record company for an advance to make an album, they asked their fans if would they be willing to buy the album BEFORE a note had been written. 13,000 people did, myself included. To put that in perspective, Marillion sell about 125,000 albums every time a new album is released. I’m sure roughly 10% of Church fans would do the same. It raised something like 300,000 British pounds! The point: Steve, email everyone on THETIMEBEING, the church mailing list, other members’ sites and see how many would buy an album in advance and at what price. I would be willing to pay up to 50 dollars in advance for a new Church album. Best wishes, Gavin

    • avatar
      Lars | 9 October 2012 at 5:51 pm #

      Nice – someone else with the same idea and background here (I was also one of the 13.000)!
      But – yesterday I took a look at the Facebook likes of both bands (I know it’s not the best estimator, but what else do we have) and I was astonished about the difference (8.000 to 132.000 – wtf?). Let’s face it, Marillion have done some aggressive self-marketing in the past years. So, it could get a little more difficult here…
      And – if I understand Steve correctly – still the main problem is not the money for future albums (that is the problem of us, the fans…), but for the albums of yesteryear. So, perhaps a crowdfunded lawsuit against Second Motion?

    • avatar
      GJM | 9 October 2012 at 6:02 pm #

      Exactly. This is not charity… it’s the fans playing an active part in the survival of something very important to them. More and more bands are doing it.

      I would also assume you all have recording software on your computers? Record and mix everything yourselves and use the fan money for mastering, some promo and as a tour fund.

      There are ways, sir!

      Gavin (a different one)

    • avatar
      Dave | 9 October 2012 at 6:04 pm #

      You have a great point Gavin. I’d pay in advance for anything The Church were planning to release, and I’d be happy to pay more because it’s them. I live in England, so I’ve got no chance of ever seeing them play live again but can’t bear the thought of the band quitting. Especially like this. Steve, please think about the suggestions made in the comments over the last few days, there’s some good ideas in there that could well be the way forward for you and the band.

    • avatar
      Andreas | 9 October 2012 at 6:08 pm #

      I am ready to buy it before listening to one single note!

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    Billy Baldwin | 9 October 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    Hey Gavin,

    This is what I alluded to earlier. Pledging is one way forward for the church. Happy for fork over $30-50 up front to make the album. That way, we all feel good as we have invested in the project. They get the money direct without any bullshit. Tim owns the studio so really its a no brainer. The only cost is really the cd production etc but I think downloading it from the church direct is the way of the future. Yeah, I know its not the same, but the world isn’t the same anymore. Need to think this one through a little further…

    In terms of the back catalogue, if everyone (Church fans on seance, hotel womb, Facebook) chips in $10 – $25 each, could the Church win back their royalties from the past 30 years? I think so. I have no issue paying $50 to $100 to Steve and the lads as long as they appreciate it and use it for the ‘right reasons’. I’m by no means flushed with funds but the offer is there, if everyone decides to partake.

    Hey Killa, are you listening to this or am I getting ignored as usual. We are trying to get you positive mate or are we all deluded and wasting our time???

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      Trevor | 9 October 2012 at 7:48 pm #

      Right now, $50 is the difference between me eating or going without for a week. I’d rather donate this and starve for a week & have The Church writing & producing their magic than to eat and not have them around. let me know where to send the money. ’tis but a small sacrifice for such a huge gain. SK, when my wife & I were homeless and living in a tent for 7 months, The Church kept us going. Just want to return the favour, mate!

      • avatar
        thetimebeing | 10 October 2012 at 8:13 am #

        hang on to yer 50 mate!

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          Trevor | 10 October 2012 at 12:58 pm #

          ok. Irrespective of what happens from now on, be safe in the knowledge that your music has brought much joy to so many, and The Church will be remembered for changing the inner landscape of music forever.

          As our old ones would say: “Y Gwir Yn Erbyn Y Bydd” (The Truth Against the World).

          Trevor \|/

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    Billy Baldwin | 9 October 2012 at 5:57 pm #

    Well said Eric.

    Steve, you got the loyalist of loyal fanbase, people will put their money where their mouth is, and everyone wants to help. What more can you want?

    I would say you are crazy if you didn’t agree with all of this – this is a win win for you and the band. You will get the money up front so you can do what you need to do, and you reward the fans with recorded material etc. Easy… Have some faith.

    I don’t know why Church fans are so loyal when it seems by your lack of interest/on line manner, to appreciate and acknowledge the really beautiful kind and caring and heartfelt comments. People are genuine here Steve. We want to help you from the thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars we have spent on you and the rest of the band over our lives. Yeah we are selfish. We don’t want to see this great machine die. We want to make sure you truly get the rewards from your efforts and creativity.

    Yeah, I’m fucked off that you got sweet nothing from the past, so I want to help you from now on direct for your future. I’m speaking for everybody here mate. I don’t want to pay some external source that’s gonna take all the profit and leave you with sweet fuck all.

    Church fans have united here Kilbey, realise that you are fortunate that you have our love support and respect, and our financial backing.

    What does KLK think of all of this?

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    sharon daniel | 9 October 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    Seriously have a look at Pledge Music, either for church or solo projects. I’ve been involved in 2 pledge projects over the past 12 months, both successful. Packages can range in prices to cater for all budgets. Everything from say a cd at the cheaper end to more “personal” things, say handwritten lyrics at the dearer end. You’ll find people will tend to go for more than 1 option. Regular “updates” are also great via the pledge page as you can keep fans involved with whats going on etc. Its something everyone can be involved with no matter what their budget may be. Really worth a look into.

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    Michel | 10 October 2012 at 5:05 am #

    I must admit I have been away from the blog for a few weeks (too much work) but it seems the times they are a-changing fast !
    I do agree with Gavin.
    Artists have to use their loyal fans to help them.
    We will always be there.
    I don’t know what will happen to The Church as a whole band, and I am certainly not the right person to decide if the band has to keep on going or not, but I will always support all of the members of the band (well, except the very first drummer, not a cool guy, according to Robert Lurie’s book).
    “it’s only a rock band that split up, it’s nothing important, you have all the old records there if you want to reminisce”…who said that ?

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    hippy | 10 October 2012 at 5:35 am #

    JUST PLAYING DEVIL’S ADVOCATE HERE: Being in rock n’ roll as a profession is a hard life. You get fucked about on every level. That’s why they call ’em “starving artists.” I sympathize with your plight! Though you probably wouldn’t agree, as an artist with a creative drive, on some level you did CHOOSE this profession over others available that give you more of a “future” with a health plan, retirement, and a more steady and reliable income. I agree with other commenters that you, SK, should be rich beyond imagination, deservedly so, for the happiness you have brought to listeners with your incredible music! But unfortunately the “business” in “music business” is harsh and the artists don’t make any money unless you are U2 or have really good lawyers!! I did read SJ’s statement on the SM website and to be honest I did not think it was condescending. Of course I don’t know all the details but it doesn’t sound like this person is malicious or devious. I’m a big fan of yours, but I’m not ready to take any sides because I don’t have all the info. All I can say is, I hope it all works out and there’s a mutual agreement that can be worked out. In the end, after all is said and done, I think you will persevere. You always have from what I can tell. Good luck.

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    hippy | 10 October 2012 at 5:37 am #

    Here’s one more thing to think about: look at all the great painters like Van Gogh, for example. These guys were poor and miserable when they were alive. Now their paintings are priceless. It’s not fair, but have things really changed that much???

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    Anonymous | 10 October 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    $$ for commissioned songs goes directly to you i hope? …….

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    crimson | 16 October 2012 at 2:54 am #

    Hey SK, your music changed and continues to change my life. I find it an infinite well of inspiration. It’s depressing to know the music I bought from 2nd motion didn’t kick back in anyway. I’ll do my best to buy direct from you and the band. I also love your paintings, I think Vishnu in Bondi is my favorite… would love an exhibit here in the states but I realize that’s probably not possible. I feel that if I ever break thru, part of the energy carrying me is the sound you’ve created.

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      holly | 16 October 2012 at 8:29 am #

      crimson — an exhibition of Steve’s art in the US is not only very possible, it’s already happened three times — in 2004, 2008, and 2009 (click here for a link to the Art, Man & Technology Box Set which is from the 2009 exhibition). Exhibition opportunities for SK are always on my radar. Shoot me an email ( for more info on Steve’s art.

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