posted on June 6, 2006 at 10:37 am

oh yeah
im back
its another day
the angry man has departed
that furious fool has left the building
its 17 n overcast
last nite i watch bruce springsteens doco
on making of born to run
plus live at hammersmith in 75
born to run , fiendss
whatta fabulous record
every song a classic
but i specially love backstreets
been listnin to this record for 32 years now
still in love with it
still marvel at its intricacy n depth
dont much care for a lotta stuff the boss did later
but on this one it all came into focus
the boss seems like a pretty nice kinda guy too
and whatta lotta werk went into these songs
if you aint heard it lately
check it out

and this leads to me a curious phenonomen
which i might have mentioned before
the generation gap in music…
yessaday ellis mobile rings
playing the arctic monkeys
elli: why dont you like it dad
me: its amateurish n awkward
elli: you dont understand

hmmm
but i do understand
it aint like my dad listnin to t rex
he really DIDNT understand
there had been a huge gulf between the stuff he dug
and what i dug
he couldnae abide the electric guitar for a start
and he didnae care for non-singer singers(dylan, reed or me)
he liked trumpets n pianos
and he wanted his singers to SING
but
with the arctic monkeys
theres been no great leap forward
if she’d been listnin to rap
she coulda said you dont understand
and she’d have been right
but whats to understand about the monkeys
its still the same old same old
spotty youths with guitars etc
nothin new except its truly fuckin mediocre
oh well
im crashing at me mates place
markus s
hes got all these music mags everywhere
n loads a cds
i read that arcade fire n bright eyes are the best records ever
i stick em on
sorry
i hate to say it
theyre ok, i guess
i fail to find the stuff that reviewrs are
hyperboling about
the guys who reckon the church are bland/tired/ old hat
i dunno
its hard to be objective
(actually its impossible)
whats all the fuss about
search me
it seems theres more heart wrenching action
in one of the bosses intros than in the arctic fire
or arcade monkeys or bright eyes
(bright eyes…what a flaccid name….!!?)
so i cant believe i dont understand the new rock
or post rock
or whatever
it just seems ordinary
nothing marvellous happning
nor any attempt to be marvellous
(now people gonna write in
listen to this
listen to that…
ok im open for suggestion i guess
but make sure its marvellous before ye recommend)
yesterday i meet the twillies best friends
i get the thumbs up which is nice
minna: my friends ask me what you look like
me: what do ya tell em
minna: i say you look like an olde rocker
then later
the twillies both seem happy that their friends reckon they have
my eyes n my nose n my shape face
i hated it when people said i looked like my parents
i wanted to spring into being fully formed…
but no
the twills take it as a compliment
its strange to be surrounded by gorgeous 15 year old swedish girls..
oh if only it was like this at lyneham high…
i say to elli
its weird to see you guys so grown up now
almost women, shapely n beautiful
i almost dont know how to act
elli laughs..
its so much different our relationship
than what i had with les n joyce when i was 15
we are much closer
no parental distance
i act the clown and we all laugh
i dont need to pretend to be a “father”
we giggle n carry on in an indian restaurant
oh my daughters
i aint been the most reliable dad for ya
but you guys are such fine fine young ladies
enuff of this sentimental schmaltz
sorry if its too sickly sweet for ya
but you should see em
theyre fucking identical knock outs
anyway todays swedens national day
everything kinda closed
dunno what we’ll do today
it aint like summer out there
thats for sure
whatta strange olde place sweden is
the headlines from the paper
swedes favourite beaches to “make love”
and cocaine is flooding the suburbs
(better than rain, i reckon)
the swedes hate drugs almost more than anyone
i was atta party once
where everyone was so pissed on vodka
i lit up a little spliff n people
were literally jumpin outta windows
to getta way
junkies cant get clean needles here
(fuck em let em get aids says the govt)
i saw a poster once of a girl before n after hash
before she made mary poppins look like linda lovelace
after just one puff atta party she made keef richards look healthy
how can ya trust proper gander like that?
prostitution is not illegal here
for the prostitute
but the clients get busted
alcohol is only sold in govt shops
you have to ask fer what ya want
and they go out back n get it
you cant pick it up yerself
which means there are always loadsa alkies out front of the shops
plus frustrated people waiting in the enormous queues
for a bottle of plonk
what a stupid system
what it means is people stock up
and stock up
and drink more instead of less
the system causing the opposite of what it
ostensibly intended
just like the liberty n freedom loving
coalition of the willing
gunning down iraqi babies n children in their beds
yeah
thatll make those crazy arabs love us

fiendss
as soon as one child is hurt
i reckon its not worth it
how many innocent iraqis have to fucking die
before we say enuff is enuff
god bless america?
i doubt it somehow
not after shit like that
its all going wrong fiendss
what can we do
bush is a murdering bastard
him n blair n howard should be tried for
cold blooded murder
they should get the fuck outta there
and we should get some pot smoking hippies in charge
like me n merrick n ra
people who love people
etc
when will we ever ever EVER
fucking learn
hate can only beget hate
war kills
guns kill
children will die
blood will flow
its so fucking obvious
i ‘d hate to see bushs next incarnation
a jackal?
a shark?
howard will definitely be a worm
hes almost turned into one now
blair is an opportunistic prick
hell probably be an arctic monkey
im outta here fiendss
gonna catch up with the twillies
love
roving reporter
sk

64 Responses to “lying in the dark youre like an angel on my chest”

  1. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 12:10 pm #

    One month since The go-between left the in-between…time flies, no?

  2. avatar
    veleska1970 | 6 June 2006 at 12:12 pm #

    “born to run” is one of my all-time faves from any artist. i don’t get into the current music much, either. i haven’t really heard anything too inspiring lately. nobody seems to have a sound that stands apart, everything is the same.

    sounds like daddy is going to have to get a stick to beat the boys off of his pretty girls, huh? 😉
    sounds like you’re having a lovely time over there.

    STEVE KILBEY FOR PRESIDENT!!!

  3. avatar
    Arno Sojo | 6 June 2006 at 12:32 pm #

    Words of wisdom, SK, as always… I could probably be your son myself, but I don’t get those teenage bands crap either. Enjoy your holiday in Sweden. Thanks for our daily bread.
    Peace.

  4. avatar
    pharaoh | 6 June 2006 at 12:38 pm #

    Another fine post SK, as usual I find myself agreeing with everything you say. Never realised Sweden had such a funny attitude with drugs, i had always imagined it as being quite liberal ala’ Holland.

    Being only 30 and growing up in the 80’s, Born in the USA and all the crass Ronnie-Raygun era patriotism that became associated with it turned me off Springsteen ever since, even when i learned what it was about. But i am keen to give Born to Run a listen, having read so many good things about it.

    As for Arcade Monkeys and the like, im yet to hear anything by them that truly piques my interest either. There is some great music out there but generally its not getting any exposure through the wider music media (much like your goode self). Nearly all the groups i care for have been around since the 80s and 90s.

    Possibly not your cup of tea but can i recommend a friends band… Brisbane locals The Zebras – they played some shows with the Go-Bees in recent years and Grant (who apparently loved them) was quoted as saying they were the only other Brisband he would consider playing in.

    Glad to hear youre enjoying yourself in Sweden.

  5. avatar
    RA | 6 June 2006 at 12:41 pm #

    I’ve only just bought The River and Nebraska. Still exploring..

    Listened to a CD of The Church live from 1998 in London last night. Man, you rocked. I remember the night, people were crowd surfing… You weren’t “clean” then were you? It wasn’t noticeable from the front of the stage. I never did take ecstacy. Just a little dope now and then.

    In Dublin, before the gig last week, we sat for most of the morning in Jims place and smoked whilst listening to The Legendary Pink Dots. Perfect start to the day of a Church gig.

    My dad didn’t understand my music, though i dug his. He loves Shostakovich, Mahler, Faure etc and a little of the Modern Jazz Quartet. I have CDs of all his old vinyl now and occasionaly go to the Philharmonic Hall in Liverpool with him to listen to something. He took me to hear Mahler’s 8th Symphony (the “symphony of a thousand” ie. Mahler intended a choir/orchestra of 1000 performers) being performed at the cathederal in Liverpool. It blew me away. Mike Scott talks about “the big music”, but that performance, in that beautuful Neo-gothic building was spellbinding.

    I could give you a list, but you’d have to go find the stuff. One suggestion, which I suspect you may be aware of is Godspeedyoublackemperor. I heartily recommend.

    Running the world? Back to my Dad. He’s a reactionary old right-wing bugger yet consistently agrees with my views these days. I was vey proud when during his speach at my wedding he said I was the most compassionate person he knew and that he was learning from me. He can’t have done a bad job eh? (is it ok to blow one’s own trumpet [as it were, matron!] here or is that just just ok for SK?)

    Any road,

    Peace,

    Richard.

  6. avatar
    daniel 26, 13 | 6 June 2006 at 12:52 pm #

    “when will we ever ever EVER
    fucking learn…”

    we never will. sad but true. so just be nice to the people you care for and all the others you meet. it’s all you can do.

  7. avatar
    pharaoh | 6 June 2006 at 12:55 pm #

    Ra –

    Mahler at Liverpool Cathedral? I can only imagine how wonderful that must have been… I love Mahler and I love that building.

  8. avatar
    sue cee | 6 June 2006 at 1:09 pm #

    man y’know i could springsteen for hours with you…my favourite LPs the Live 75-85 collection. Backstreets oh yeah…ThunderRoad from BTR too, Racing In The Street (Darkness On the Edge of Town album)..bit of a theme going there…have everything except the Seeger Sessions, love the guy. The Ghost of Tom Joad, another great gig. Even the bad stuff from latter years is better than most of the crap out there.

    Kids … SK, my kids think Im cool ‘cos I know you! … my 15yr old is into Gorillaz (any relation to the Artic Monkeys?)

    I dont really know much about Sweden at all so look forward to more of the insider info.
    x

  9. avatar
    Andromeda7 | 6 June 2006 at 1:30 pm #

    33 melbourne minutes to bday x 2
    happy to read this blogge of togetherness 15ness

    bye bye 06.06.06
    no demons whatsoever
    except the usual ones

    ads for the omen spraypainted on the pavements
    everybody making so much money from demonising
    death metal yeah
    get yer red hot pokers
    get ’em while they’re hot
    fear of monsterz
    fear of the usual hell stuff
    behave or else stuff
    what about the elf stuff i say?
    what about balloons and smarties
    and lying on soft green grass in the sun?
    what about giving cheek
    and the soul revival of a good hug?

  10. avatar
    gavgams | 6 June 2006 at 1:44 pm #

    Buy them ballet shoes, Steve. Look whose shoulders do ache? Yours too with wild wings and to fly.

    I like the “sentimental” SK greatly.

    Just quietly, i reckon the rant should have been kept for another blog, but I understand the editing is for time after.

    There’s this band called Isidore which are bloody good. And, talking Hyperborean, Bjork has some great moments like on Dancing/Dark which reminds me … Radiohead!

  11. avatar
    Brad | 6 June 2006 at 1:46 pm #

    I think Spoon is something you would like, if not the band name. Could it be they’re just running out of names for bands?

    b

  12. avatar
    rosalita | 6 June 2006 at 1:51 pm #

    Someday we’ll look back at this and it will all seem funny

  13. avatar
    John Garratt | 6 June 2006 at 1:59 pm #

    Ah, the Arctic Monkeys. The most overrated band in the entire universe. I’d rather listen to the Church’s worst song.

  14. avatar
    Joe Burns | 6 June 2006 at 2:02 pm #

    Most remarkable “new” record I’ve heard lately (except for ULTC of course) is Mogwai’s “Mr. Beast”. I’d written them off in that middle slump of their career, but their latest is a masterpeice. Give it a listen SK. Mostly instrumental stuff, but it really illustrates what, for me, “post rock” is all about. Takes the conventions of other genre’s, and deploys them towards completely different ends. In the case of the Moggies – they cannibalize all the trappnigs of “hard rock” and subvert them to wonderful melodic beauty with a strange brewing intensity.

  15. avatar
    Emmanuel | 6 June 2006 at 2:09 pm #

    Bonjour cher Druide !
    Your wits and words sends me laughing while enjoying your lucidity and courage !
    Some suggestions that U hinted at. I guess U’ve listened to classic prog rock british bands still touring today. If not, I would recommend bands that carried on the torch: Pendragon, Marillion and Fish, IQ, Arena, Steve Wilson, Mike Scott and in America: Toto, Prince, Concrete Blonde to cite a few. Pendragon leader Nick Barrett, a true bard, loved T.Rex. I think U’d like his words and music. “Believe”, the last, is really good. They’re still fighting the good fight, like Led Zep, Yes, or Floyd did before.
    They got away from the “great machine”, and have survived it like you did. They did not bow down to the emperor. Both parties could not get along. The same could be said about social groups, one dominated by the other through thought control (cf Noam Chomsky thought).
    I remember “hungry heart” by the Boss airing when I was nine… I also remember Stockholm in August 1991, the archipel and swedes. Right now I discover old Roxy Music and Ferry stuff from the seventies, I did not know, thanx to U.
    Love is the Drug !
    So far, so pleased !
    Lorrain

  16. avatar
    Sam B | 6 June 2006 at 2:21 pm #

    SK Just listened to a grey told record…Died Pretty’s Free Dirt.
    What an awesome ol vinyl disky. Oh Bretts guitars…Rons haunting voice…the keys…the lot…
    Get it out…put it on…the Rainbow Monkeys would shudder in their lil booties.

  17. avatar
    CeciliaGin | 6 June 2006 at 2:29 pm #

    It’s election day here, doing my best to get those buggers out of office, at least at my local level.
    Give a listen to The Suns, they’re from Liverpool and make simply gorgeous music.
    Their music is up on their my space profile:
    http://www.myspace.com/thesunsbanduk

    Abrazos para tus gemelitas!
    Cecilia
    xo

  18. avatar
    verdelay | 6 June 2006 at 2:37 pm #

    Word just in from the OTHER SIDE.

    George W. Bush will not be incarnated again. That’s it. He’s finished. We’re done with him. That’s all. It’s over. No more.

    What a waste.

    Some souls ascend to the top and then they blow it.

    Imagine the good works and karmic account this soul must have built up to be born into such privilege and opportunity. Hardly has to lift a finger and he finds himself Emperor of the World (meanwhile all the Roves and Cheneys racking up their karmic debt to get him there).

    He must have been saintly, noble, powerful, wise. A stag in the wildest forest. A whale in the deep pacific. A healer, a poet, a visionary. Now, Old Soul, you are crowned…EMPEROR OF THE WORLD, O great one…lead us, lead us…

    Oh, you fucking idiot. You gave into maya. You thought the wood was just the trees. You fell in love with your own reflection. You unleashed death, horror, blood, hot fast metal, iniquity, hypocricy, avarice and vanity, all in the name of your own name.

    You arrogant son of a bitch.

    Nirvana is closed to you. You stumbled in sight of the summit. Now you must roll back down and start again.

    But you’ve got to wait your turn.

    You don’t just start out as a worm. Or a grub. Or bacteria.

    They’ve all spent countless lifetimes getting to where they are today, don’t you know.

    You’ve got to start in the abyss. In the dark heart of a dead star where the gravity precludes light. You’ve got to wait there in the heaviness. You’ve got to get heavier and heavier, eon upon eon, until you burst apart in a fit of burning light. That’s when the star ignites and you finally get a chance to shine again.

    Then you begin the long march back to LIFE.

    But that’s not for a very, very long time.

    Sorry George. We don’t fear your Emperor’s wrath and worldly power.

    We pity your eternal poverty.

    hf

  19. avatar
    Phoenix Jackson | 6 June 2006 at 2:43 pm #

    hey steve..
    what do ya think of augie march..?

  20. avatar
    zallaz | 6 June 2006 at 2:56 pm #

    I too have had ‘the musical generations-gap’ conversation but as we all know the whole record industry is about shifting produc,t not artistic boundary breaking… oh well!

    regards zallaz

  21. avatar
    Handyman | 6 June 2006 at 3:01 pm #

    It’s fun to see them blossom, isn’t it? While I know the distance certainly adds some extra surprise in discovering their looks and maturity again, they actually change every day. Not a day goes by that I don’t notice something new and amazing about Alex…the handsome lady killer he is!(gets that from his dad!)I have a feeling our hands will be full my olde friend, and our patience will certainly be tested over the next years, eh? Where are we gonna find the advice to give em….

    I reckon a great deal of the music we listen to growing up has to do with what and who influences us, and how importantly our parents viewed involving us in their music as well. My folks were alway classic rock and bluegrass fans, so I grasped that, then developed my own taste for alternative things from friends and the scene growing up. I fucking love that. That’s just what Alex embraced. A huge classic rock fan, the biggest damn Church fan under 18, and a fan of many of the new things going on now. I am sure he’ll pass that on. I think it’s great. I won’t be able to relate with him on some of the new stuff, and I certainly can’t get much at all from what’s out there today. So, I celebrate his individualism and desires to seek out new and creative choices. After all, over twenty years ago, it brought me to The Church.

    Love ya. Have fun.

    Duane

  22. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 4:32 pm #

    You wanna hear a great young band (and you are in Sweden, after all), get a hold of “Gravity” by Anekdoten, a Swedish band. That record is amazing. You have to like mellotrons to enjoy it, though.

    The Soundtrack of Our Lives is another great Swedish band. They’d eat the Monkeys for breakfast.

    Arcade Fire are Canadian, as am I. That’s about all I have to say. I think they stink, but it’s all subjective, ain’t it?

    Allister

  23. avatar
    CAPTAIN BEYOND | 6 June 2006 at 4:50 pm #

    bush will become a rookie worker ant, carry this, carry that sir GWB, me am feeling ya…

  24. avatar
    John Garratt | 6 June 2006 at 4:57 pm #

    I remember SK reviewing Soundtrack of our Lives’ “Welcome to the Infant Freebase” way back. The review was posted online, and that’s how I found out about them. “Behind the Music” isn’t bad, but “Origins” is pretty cool.

  25. avatar
    daydreamer | 6 June 2006 at 5:05 pm #

    Ha, musical taste. I think it depends if you’re a “words” person or a “music” person (the Chuchr have both, obviously) and how deep you want to go. Sometimes I like fluff like Coldplay for example, but its like drinking a Coors Lite compared to a Heineken or a Guiness. Back in the day, we called it bubble gum. Does that describe Artic Monkeys? I’ve never heard of them.

  26. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 5:14 pm #

    Did SK do that on newspaper taxi? I reviewed Anekdoten for that site. I like all the Soundtrack albums, but the early ones are pretty freaked out. Behind the Music was a perfect hit album, though. One hell of a great live band, too.

    Allister

  27. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 5:24 pm #

    Kilby said “as soon as one child is hurt i reckon its not worth it
    how many innocent iraqis have to fucking die before we say enuff is enuff god bless america?”

    According to the UN there were 100,000 children under the age of 5 dying EVERY YEAR in Iraq before the war. That’s just under age 5.

    Now we’re post invasion – how many children under 5 have died this year in Iraq? I guarantee it’s far far far less than we’re dying every year before the invasion.

    So bottom line – without the war several hundred thousands more Iraqis would have died in the last 5 years. So which is better to you – having no war and more people would have died, or the war happening and hundreds of thousands less people are dead?

    Talking against war is fine (and I agree that war is bad), but when you actually have to engage the brain and think about it, the rhetoric takes a beating.

    I’m sure smart insulting comments will result from this post or you’ll ignore it, because this kind of statement is never met with a well thought out or factual response – it’s all emotion.

  28. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 5:27 pm #

    The destiny of a people lies in their own hands, not those of a paternal invading imperialist force. Otherwise they’ll never be able to stand on their own.

    Just ask Gandhi.

  29. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 5:28 pm #

    * The Clientele – “Suburban Light” (nuthin’ new, but reminds one of a stoned rainy Sunday afternoon)

    * Richard Hawley – “Late Night Final” (sentimental/authentic & blue)

    * Boards of Canada – “In a Beautiful Place Out in the Country”

    * Broadcast – “Tender Buttons” Listen to “You and me in time” 1st.

    * Dungen – “Ta de Lugnt”

    * Flaming Lips – “At war…” For the Bush hater in all of us.

    Well…that’s a start. Gotta be somethin’ in there for ya. I wouldn’t lie to ye.

  30. avatar
    Brad | 6 June 2006 at 5:38 pm #

    Skip Spence too! Well, maybe that doesn’t count since you have to go back 35 years. I guess we must be talking “new” bands. But Skip Spence is one of the best of classic unknowns.

    I like Arcade Fire.

    b

  31. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 5:43 pm #

    I know this is your blog, and you guys were as brilliant as ever in London, and I don’t whether I’m getting old or just better informed, but it depresses me to hear talented old rockers use their platforms to display such wanton myopia, and Iraq certainly brings it all out in you.
    Poor old George W is so easy to loathe, and I can’t stand the man, but I have Iraqi neighbours, and they don’t see Bush as a murderer, old son. Kurdish Iraqis see him and his doddery old Dad as heroes. They now have 30 newspapers where there were none – all that boring stuff, that twats like Fisk and Pilger ignore in the over all. We can’t ignore that millions voted, and there was hope. But Bush, Rummy and the others seem to be doing a brilliant job fucking it up.
    But here, it’s depressing to hear logical debate submerged by sentimental hippy guff. Like religion, human nature can be a terrible thing, and it’s muslim sectarianism killing women and children in far greater numbers than terrified, armed-to-the-teeth, American boys. It’s no fun being an apologist for Bush. But don’t be so lazy. Do youself a favour. Read Mahdi Obeidi’s Bomb in my garden before Hollywood fucks it up. You might see just how insanely dangerous the regime you were happy to leave in place was about to become. Two sides to every story.

  32. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 6:12 pm #

    Steve (and others) – Please check out The Cardigans “Long Gone Before Daylight.” Don’t laugh. This album is spectacular. Forget about “Lovefool” – that lone song you may know does not do justice to this great band and its masterpiece of an album. I believe The Cardigans share much with The Church in tone on this particular album. It’s simply beautiful, and Nina’s lead vocals are breathtaking. Hey, it can’t hurt to listen to a couple of tracks on Amazon.com…I promise that many of you will be surprised and gratified.

  33. avatar
    davem | 6 June 2006 at 7:01 pm #

    Hi SK,
    Been interesting to read about your relationship with your girls.
    My eldest son is nearly 13 & has of late, developed a voracious appetite for all things “rock”.
    To be fair to the Arctic Monkeys his interest in bands such as them & the Kaiser Chiefs (I confess to having a bit of a secret liking for the Chiefs) has led him to delve back with me & discover The Clash, Pistols,Buzzcocks, Doors, Stones, early Bowie, Teardrops, Radiohead & a certain antipodean quartet. He begged me to buy him the Tin Mine CD from the borderline gig….I was chuffed to be able to oblige!!!!!!!!!!
    So apart from having a song called Mardy Bum (which pleases me no end for some reason) the Monkeys have helped me and my sprog form a link, a bond…a better relationship! But yup, nowt new about ’em & they can’t play!

    A shame to see “anon” spouting his pro war n weapons stuff again. I can’t be arsed with another debate about how justifiable in his educated opinion guns n war are. I’m just a thick brummie. I’d sooner have your “emotion” any day SK.
    Love you more Steve,

    Dave
    x

  34. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 7:05 pm #

    Dear SK,

    I recommend all of the albums by Augie March, including the most recent: Moo You Bloody Choir.

  35. avatar
    Queen Hatshepsut | 6 June 2006 at 7:08 pm #

    Steve,
    A few random bits of nothing:

    1)When I was 15 my English teacher made us write essays on songs. He played “Born to Run”, “Hotel California”, “American Pie” and “Eleanor Rigby.” My mind was blown. Even I knew that Duran Duran had NOTHING on those people. I’m so out of it now, I don’t even know who the Arctic Monkeys are.

    2)No musical recommedations – I do listen to this fab group called The Church – can’t seem to stop – you’ve probably been asked this, but what do your girls think of The Church?

    3) Oh Steve, surrounded by more beautiful girls…I picture you now at 80, surrounded by beautiful women still…haha. I’ve never seen your twillies or their mum, but they should be glad they’ve got some of your features. (Note: NOT KISSING ASS HERE). You’ve always had a lovely face. Yeah, you’re still beautiful baybeee…didn’t ya ever feel the loooooooooooove of being a pretty rocker Steven? (To prove not kissing ass: your face is beautiful, at times your moods/personality was not. But all is forgiven. ; ))

    4)War.I ain’t no hippy. I know wars will be fought as long as man exists on the planet. True, more Iraqi children were dying before the war. But God Almighty, did we HAVE to invade this country? There are horrible regimes happening everywhere. Why didn’t we invade Iran? North Korea? Why don’t we try and stop all the warlords in Africa from killing their own people? Hmmmm. If we felt the Iraqi people were in such dire straits and needed ‘democracy’ so much, why didn’t we try to help in other ways? Hussein was in power for years. If we really cared about the children, why didn’t we do something sooner? Like stop the sanctions? Why didn’t we do something in Rwanda? Oh right…America doesn’t get involved in anything unless there’s something in it for America. I’m an American, and I’m sick over what my country has done. Fuck Bush, fuck his cronies, fuck his policies;I hope he rots in Hell. Plus he’s the reason I have to take a standardized test on algebra and geometry – so he can BURN in HEll for THAT ONE. Oh and yeah, I see as part of the deal with Iran, in order to get them to stop making The Bomb, we’re going to give them nuclear technology for ‘peaceful’ purposes. Yeah. I have no fuckin’ words. (And yet, apparently I do!) I’m sick of America being the World Police. My questions are rhetorical, PLEASE do not answer them or go off on me fellow Churchies! Just sayin’. Thank you!

    5)Funny you mentioned prostitution being legal…for the women if not for the johns. I just wrote someone yesterday saying I believed prostitution should be completely legalized here. And many drugs too.

    6)Do you think if the State knew this, they’d let me be a teacher? Haha.

    That’s all. Apologies for being so long. I promise to be short next time. Thanks for another enlightening, fascinating blog. Glad angry man is gone.
    love,
    denise
    xxoo

  36. avatar
    Buckmoose | 6 June 2006 at 7:19 pm #

    I wouldn’t have taken you for a Born to Run fan…I seem to recall you practically spitting out Springsteen’s name on that old “Sum of the Parts” interview circa 1988. But I do love early Springsteen (and his more acoustic-based recent stuff). Made me want to be a songwriter and quit trying to be a wanky diddlie-diddlie type guitar player.

    I haven’t heard the arctic monkeys, and Bright Eyes makes my face scrunch up as if I’d just eaten something sour (maybe the guy can write, but I can’t stand to listen to him sing long enough to tell). There are usually about 2 or 3 hip hop albums per year I like (out of how many zillion?). I do think Arcade Fire has some virtues and staying power…then again I don’t play that disc near as often as I play FY or ULTC.

    I have no idea what “the kids” are supposedly into these days…my 12-yr-old daughter is staying with me this month and her laptop contains Talking Heads, Beatles, Blondie, Flaming Lips, and some sort of Ambient collection her mother turned her on to. So I guess she’s a bit atypical for her age. I recall her age 2andahalf asking me to play Stravinsky’s “Firebird” while she ran around the house acting out the story. At 7 we’d watch cartoons on Nickelodeon and she’d scream at the TV everytime Britney or some “boy band” would come on, telling them to get off the stage. (Dad grinning fiendishly…)

    Recommendation? Go to MySpace and find Black Xmas…sort of my local neighborhood space rock band. The work and play at my neighborhood watering hole…all instrumental, spooky-proggy, and they can REALLY PLAY!

    Michael

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    jeanz | 6 June 2006 at 7:22 pm #

    I think the older one gets the harder it is to be really taken by new bands. I really try , believe me and there are many that I really like but will never love.

    Thats why I always fall for people like All India Radio and Decoder Ring which you’ve mentioned here. Soundscapes does the trick for me.

    So olde rocker …if you’re doing some cd shopping in Sweden do check out

    Murcof (Martes / Remenbranza)
    Max Richter ((The Blue Note Books)

    I’m sure you’ll love them

    and also (accoustic)

    Jose Gonzales (Veneer) I think he’s half swedish actually.

    tata and happy b’day to the girls

    jean

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    davem | 6 June 2006 at 7:26 pm #

    Good point.
    Happy B’day to the girls!! Tomorrow isn’t it?
    Love you more,

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    jeanz | 6 June 2006 at 7:33 pm #

    Being a persistant bastard

    here are the links

    Max Richter

    http://www.myspace.com/maxrichter

    murcof

    http://www.myspace.com/murcof

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    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 7:54 pm #

    Once the rest of the world goes Euro the US will be thoroughly fucked…that’s one of the reasons for the Iraqi invasion, they were contemplating it.
    It’s always the money
    follow the money trail…

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    Nige | 6 June 2006 at 8:00 pm #

    Mostly Good Words Mr K!!
    Yes The Boss is ace and I have loved his music as long as The Church!! The Arctic Monkeys are so tepid and UNINSPIRING though Arcade Fire have something.
    Anyway ranting over, last weeks gigs at the Borderline were the best I’ve ever seen you I’ve just decided 🙂

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    merrick | 6 June 2006 at 8:40 pm #

    Steve, I’ve never spent much time with Springsteen’s music, but nonetheless it commands huge respect from me. He has been going so long, through success of all kinds, yet he’s never sold out or gone stale, he always really means it, what he does is always clearly something he really feels.

    There are so few artists who do that – The Church and Julian Cope shine out from the list – and it not only means they keep delivering great work, but it adds a depth to the older stuff, you see it coming from a deep well of something real and true and meaningful.

    And that in itsle is fortifying, and inspiration to us all that we don’t have to go dull or mundane.

    I’m sure part of the attraction of Artctic Monkeys for kids is that the band are very young and happening now, it feels *theirs*. In my teens I much preferred The Jam to, say, Bowie. It was bristling and bouncy like my teen self, and I could get on board and buy each record on the day it came out. It felt like a team I joined and they were the captain. More worthy music and older music seemed more remote.

    *deep breath* Right, the pro-war stuff.

    Anonymous says that less children are dying in Iraq now than before the war and that not taking that into account is not engaging the brain, and that such comments are never met with a well thought out factual response. Allow me to try.

    I’d like to engage my brain fully and factor in *why* those kids were dying all through the 90s. The sanctions we imposed against Iraq caused shortages of vital medical supplies. This hit the weakest hardest; the very old and the very young.

    Once it became clear that this was the effect there were moves at the UN to lift them, but oh no, the USA and UK would veto every time.

    The USA’s secretary of State Madeleine Albright said the death of half a million kids was, and I quote, ‘a price worth paying’. By the standards of the Nuremberg Trials she’d be dangling from a rope.

    I’m proud to know people whose reaction to this holocaust was to buy a load of medicines, go to Jordan and smuggle them into Iraq.

    I’m presuming by Anonymous’ ‘before the war’ we’re talking about pre-invasion. Factual point: all through the 90s we were still bombing Iraq. There was no let-up after 1991. The war never ended, we just stopped being told about it so much until we upped it with the invasion.

    Saying it’s better now is like me poisoning your food for a month, then stopping and claiming to be some benevolent angel of mercy as I steal your wallet and slap your face.

    Another anonymous (can people use some sort of name to help respondants distinguish?) tells us that because the Hussain regime was bad therefore the invasion is good. Do we think there could have been another way to do it? If we’re bringing such glorious democracy, given that less than 1% of Iraqis think occupying forces give any improvement in security and over 80% want troops to leave, why are we still there, clustered around the oil wells?

    Still, I have to say that Bush and co are only doing their jobs, defending the interests of their people. Very soon there won’t be enough oil to go round and they presume that we’d prefer it was the Chinese rather than us that had to go without. That being so, they have to go secure the oilfields for us.

    If we really want ‘no blood for oil’ we have to show that the oil’s not for our use. If we really want it to be ‘not in my name’ then we have to say the oil is not for our use. Every time we drive a car or get on a plane we are part of the demand for unsustainable oil consumption; part of the demand for war.

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    lily | 6 June 2006 at 9:06 pm #

    I agree wholeheartedly about a lot of today’s “music”. Makes me feel old, but much of it is crap. Occasionally I’ll find a song or two by a newer band that I can tolerate, but I keep going back to the older stuff for the music I really LOVE. I am so grateful that you and your Church mates press on or I’d never have any new albums to look forward to.

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    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 10:04 pm #

    “*why* those kids were dying all through the 90s. The sanctions we imposed against Iraq caused shortages of vital medical supplies. This hit the weakest hardest; the very old and the very young.”

    BS. For the last 10 years Saddam has been making 24k gold AK47s, buying rolls royces, built new palaces every year that cost billions of dollars each, put aside tens of billions of dollars IN CASH, and spent billions on weapons projects.

    Sanctions are the LAST STEP after diplomacy and before war. Diplomacy had repeatedly failed and you didn’t want war. Then you complained about sanctions.

    He starved his own people under the sanctions while he horded money, in hopes that he could force the do-gooders to pressure their governments to give in to him and give up sanctions. He had the money, medical supplies and food but withheld them.

    There was also the largest scandal in all of human history – the UN oil for food program, which allowed him to line his pockets throughout the entire post-war decade.

    There was no shortage of anything that the Iraqi people needed. Food rotted in the warehouses while Saddam starved them, so that you would pressure your governments to end the sanction. Did his plan work?

  45. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 10:14 pm #

    so john g. which is the worst church song?

  46. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 June 2006 at 10:37 pm #

    “If we really want ‘no blood for oil’ we have to show that the oil’s not for our use. Every time we drive a car or get on a plane we are part of the demand for unsustainable oil consumption; part of the demand for war.”

    Absolutely.

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    the dean | 6 June 2006 at 10:53 pm #

    download King Crimson live 1974 Asbury Pk from dgmlive website and compare what they were doing way back when with todays innane tunes.
    While a lot of KC is hard to fathom this is pure gold.
    As for current stuff I recommend Neil Young’s latest album living with war, he’s still having a go. A little known ostralian band called the church arn’t bad either.

  48. avatar
    sue cee | 6 June 2006 at 11:37 pm #

    Yes, take Cee’s words for it… The Suns are a recent good find

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    captainmission | 7 June 2006 at 12:22 am #

    mmm, i love reading yr blog.
    here’s my take on your comments:
    War – What is it Good for? Absolutly nuffing!
    Generation gap in Music – It’s funny, my 18 year old son one year ago was listening to really bad bland, commercial shit they play on radio, i figure its just the influence of marketing and explianed it to him and in a matter of weeks suddenly changed to all electronica and some one called the pre-sets, and gradually over that time i got him listening to the bands i listened to when i was his age, so he could see the influence and inspiration behind some of todays better music. The Psychadelic Furs (1st 3 albums) , some choice Banashees, Bunneymen, Bowie, Eno, XTC, The The, The Church (whom he knows is my fave), Patti Smith, Teardrop Explodes, Simple Minds, Hawkwind, Eno, Velvets, Verve ect. Although he may not like most of the music i like he still appreciates how they contributed to the music he enjoys now. We also look at songwriting, and lyrics, i mean there is as some one mentioned above, a vast difference in weather you listen for lyrics or music, and very rarely do both come together in perfect union, The Church being one of them. I think a lot of the ‘gap’ is to do with that generation not knowing or being educated about the industry behind selling music, certainly the ‘punk’ ethos, smashed all that, suddenly bands just did it themselves, the prime inspiration being the act of creating music, not selling it. Like you say its all intent.
    Recommendations in Contempary Music – mmm, really tough, nothing springs to mind, even the flaming lips have been around for ages.
    Drugs – Just stop stupid people from using them.
    I advocate more drug use, specifically, LSD, DMT, Igobaine, Organically grown (under sunlight) grass, Ayahausca ect, less alcohol use, less ciggarette use, less tranquilizers and less drug company controlled drugs. However govts should keep their filthy hands of them lest we all end up in their clutches, let them remain unregulated and underground. It’s just a matter of people being educated and not frightened. As old Tim Leary says, War on drugs, ‘Just say Know’
    Junk- I think the old registar is a good idea, free junk, free needles, and support, it’s a freaking health issue for gods sake. But the real crime in Junk trade is the goverment sanctioned response to it. CIA in Mexico and South America in the 70’s and early 80’s. Don Winslows book, ‘Power of the Dog.’ is a good but violent reference to what was going on and possibly still does.
    Sweden- I recall a good sweedish band we played with once called ‘The Watermelon men.’
    They may be worth checking out.
    Bush Blair and Howard reincarnated- unfortunatly it may not make a difference what they come back as, either way we are stuck with the mess they are going to leave us.

  50. avatar
    Anonymous | 7 June 2006 at 1:31 am #

    I agree with all the hype surrounding these new bands.I don’t get it either. mediocre at best.
    Give me the kinks, early genesis,or the Church anyday. Now those are some classic albums.

    Here are some more current recommendations that I’m sure you would dig.

    The Lilys-precollection
    Wilco- a ghost is born
    Brian Jonestown massacre- tepid peppermint wonderland (2 disk best of)
    Band of horses-everything all the time

    and a rockin new song you should check out

    Level-the raconteurs

    Much love,
    J

    ULTC is one of your best albums yet. Keep em coming, the world needs more Church and less monkeys.

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    Anonymous | 7 June 2006 at 2:17 am #

    Yeah,here here to your thoughts on The Arctic Monkeys etc – I guess it’s all a question of how big you wanna be & then BIG in the music industry is such an objective term as you well know – these bands get better reviews because of the hype & maybe even some palms are greased.
    I still think ULTC deserves more airplay than what it’s getting as the market is so big & theres so much room for variety these days & MAYBe it would help if you guys had a big shot high faluutin manager – or any manager at all.
    If thats what you really wanted.
    I personally get a bit narcy with Australias support for The Church for obvious reasons – maybe someone will wake up in the year 2525.
    Its fucking pissing down here.

    Dutch Pierre

  52. avatar
    John Garratt | 7 June 2006 at 2:52 am #

    Hey captainmission,

    XTC’s Apple Venus Volume One, all the way, baby.

  53. avatar
    Anonymous | 7 June 2006 at 2:56 am #

    hi sk
    i guess i’m late
    to the bloggie party today
    so … 2 more days
    and then
    school’s out for summer!
    for my
    2 daughters
    that is
    but for me too
    in a way
    it’ll be nice
    to have a
    change
    of pace

    and its hot here!
    so it feels like
    summer

    happy summer
    and happy 15th bday
    to your e and m
    may all their bday
    wishes come true

    and you get wishes too
    you know
    as parents
    on your children’s
    birthdays

    lot of love
    diane
    xo from boulder

    ps “the twills take it as a compliment”
    as well they should 😉

  54. avatar
    Anonymous | 7 June 2006 at 2:56 am #

    yes, being objective is impossible
    when it’s something you are passionate about

  55. avatar
    Anonymous | 7 June 2006 at 3:25 am #

    Oh my god. I just walked out on the Arctic Monkeys. They are playing in Dallas right now and man do they have nothing to offer. I had not heard a note by them and thought I would check them out since the venue is five blocks from my house. Steven is right. They are so mediocre it is not even funny. Too bad the stupid Brits have put so much money in their pockets. I guess they are always looking for the next Beatles and the media machine can hype up anybody. (oasis, arctic monkeys, etc.) What pliable, tractable people. Get a life you damn Brits.

    Anyway, I walked out and came home and put some real music on the stereo (Hologram Of Baal) and now I am much much more happy.

    Love as always Steven…

  56. avatar
    Rehan | 7 June 2006 at 4:12 am #

    Hmmmm….i dig “Darkness at the edge of town” and “Nebraska” myself.

  57. avatar
    Queen Hatshepsut | 7 June 2006 at 4:32 am #

    Steve,
    Are you still taking questions? Have you given all the answers yet? I thought of something – reading over the comments…

    Do you know or have you ever met Mike Scott (Scotsman, Waterboys fame, etc.),have you heard his music AND if so, what do you think of it?

    Oh and it’s June 7th in Sweden. Happy Birthday Kilbey girls!!! I wish your children the most important thing on earth – good health – and of course, happiness and peace.

    love,
    denise
    xxoo

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    Thomas Irvin | 7 June 2006 at 5:30 am #

    If you want to hear Bright Eyes at their best, listen to both “When The President Talks To God” and “Don’t Know When But A Day Is Gonna Come.” The former is a guy-and-a-guitar Dylanesque rant against the hypocracy of Bush’s moral system, while the latter is the closest Bright Eyes have ever come to sounding like the Church (give it time; it’s a long one).

    Oh, and here’s a little tidbit for you–Bright Eyes is from my hometown, and their guitarist, Mike Mogis, is a big fan of the Ebow. He first learned about the Ebow from me, and I learned about it from Messrs. Koppes and Willson-Piper. So there is a little second-hand Church influence.

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    Anonymous | 7 June 2006 at 5:59 am #

    Thanks all for some extremely interesting perspectives on the shambles that is Iraq.

    Great to hear some of you gettin’ fired up for a change!!

    Music wise….hmmmmm…..I like Arcade Fire. Artic Monkeys do not appeal to me but someone must be buying their records cos they are huge…!

    Do y’all think that those of us looking at the modern music scene with the benefit of 20 or so years (not wishing to date myself here!) of hindsight and experience have higher expectations than the youth of today…?

    OR

    Do you think that bands like the Arctic Monkeys et al are just the some of the peripheral players around at the moment…? And if so, what or who is around at the moment that have the staying power of and long term impact and influence of XTC, The Boss, The Church, Neil Young etc…? Who are making making the defining sounds of this generation I wonder…?

    What do you think, Monsieur Kilbey?

    Au revoir

    Bon Bon

  60. avatar
    captainmission | 7 June 2006 at 9:08 am #

    Denise- I met Mike Scott once, he’s a lovely guy, what a great band. Have ya heard the re issue of fisherman blues yet? I’m trying to get hold of it but it’s not available in OZ.
    I was lucky enough to catch em a few times when they where a big rock band, they where pretty fantastic, i wish they would come to Australia i think Mike Scott would find it intresting.
    Cool to know there’s some one else out there who likes them.

    John garret – yeah i’m still a huge xtc fan, they were the second band i ever saw live, things could never be the same 🙂

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    Todd Goninon | 7 June 2006 at 11:08 am #

    Don’t forget old faves the Housemartins, Ride, Stereolab and the Jam. Not everyone’s cup o’ tea but I like it!
    Currently, we’ve got Sigur Ros, Interpol and Bloc Party, to name a few.

  62. avatar
    Anonymous | 7 June 2006 at 2:39 pm #

    Capt Mission – I saw Waterboys live in 2001, great band!

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    Joe Burns | 7 June 2006 at 4:45 pm #

    I discovered Sountrack of Our Lives because of SK too… took the recommendation many years ago, and WOW! What a great band.

    Similarly would’ve never heard Underground Lovers without the tip from ye olde rocker.

    Thanks Steve!

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    Paul C | 9 June 2006 at 3:17 am #

    When Newcombe met Kilbey boggles. Predictable haranguing though. A friend saw Marty and Anton in New York a while back. Sorry I missed that. I think the U2/REM/Echo comparisons are just lazy journalism probably endlessly regurgitated from some ancient archived reviews. Any readers here in maligned London Town might like the Sonic Cathedral club nights. http://www.soniccathedral.co.uk/
    Pro war Church fans just doesn’t compute friends.


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