posted on November 20, 2007 at 3:10 am

why dost thou limp goode killer?
ah, well thatd be a nice sliver of porcelain in my foot sir
never mind
there is a side to music
an invisible plain maybe
a way of seeing it
yes
there are many ways to map and describe music
many different ins
everybody gets in differently
yes thats right
but have you ever thought about the mix..?
if a mix is good
you wont hear it
a mix shouldnt clobber joe listener
over the fucking head with its brilliance
cos then itd be a bad mix
a big brassy brazen overtwiddling
resulting in instant overstimulation
and subsequent boredom
you dont want that baby undercooked neither
some vapid unrealised formless jelly-mix
the real greats
they make it sound easy
sweet
real
they use all opportunities
but never blind you with the latest binglebanks
now i’m assuming you know that
a record is made
all the sounds sitting there
on their own discrete tracks
for example
on track 1 we have a hi hat
track 2 the snare
track 3 the kick drum
track 4 the crash cymbal
track 5 the ride cymbal
track 6 the bass guitar
track 8 electric guitar
track 9 electric guitar double
track 10 distorted guitar
track 11 accoustic guitar
track 12 piano
track 13 and 14 stereo strings
track 15 thru 23 vocals
track 24 tambourine
ok
the music is recorded
the ingredients assembled
now
these things must find aural space to coexist
this is not a given
certain sounds will affect others
reverbs swallow sounds
the acoustic guitars are lost in the cymbals
the voice wont cut thru
or it doesnt sit in the song right
everytime you adjust one thing
you disturb the delicate balance of everything else
its not just only volume
the sounds must have the optimum eq
eg a kick drum should have a bit of oomph
will the sounds be compressed or gated
what effects and echoes
how should it be panned?
these sonic painters
tinker with the music
on a load of levels
you will never think of
flying things in and out
bouncing things around
copy
append
truncate
slow it down
bend its pitch
auto tune it
reverse it
make it silvery
the list of tricks is endless
strange art
to be as unobtrusive as possible
then again
some mixers with their trademark sounds
thats what you pay top dollar for
that wall of sound
those teenage symphonies to god
those ambient afterimages
anyway
polinski mixes the song which will be closer on painkiller
not what you say
it breaks down into long shimmering haze of guitar fizz
everything is just right
hes done a sterling job
what else what you expect?
good boy polinski
A+

63 Responses to “no steve kilbey, thats for sure”

  1. avatar
    arg... | 20 November 2007 at 4:07 am #

    Where can i get a free download of this new music? Give it to me.
    Mixing is all done with computers these days, you don’t need people, you just use a preset e.g ‘vocal pop’ ‘r & B’ etc. For the Church you use ‘pop rock’, it’s easy really.
    arg…

  2. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 4:18 am #

    Oh shut up “arg”, what crap!

    It sounds like you’re happy with the mix sk, is it the FINAL mix???Does this mean it’s finished, done, onto the next stage, almost ready for release? Are you doing the cover artwork sk? I just can’t wait, well done sk, tp & sp!
    Love Amanda

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    PAGEY | 20 November 2007 at 4:26 am #

    looking forward to a great new recording sessions fruits poured out onto vinyl err or whatever that plastic is nowadays.

    Good luck in the studio mate!

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    veleska1970 | 20 November 2007 at 5:04 am #

    so much goes into the creation. sounds a bit complicated!!

    but whatever it is, i’m sure it’ll be good. πŸ™‚

    have a good afternoon, steve.

    lotza love….

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    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 5:46 am #

    would a simple “YAY,YEEHAH,YES!” suffice?..am looking forward to this moosic Mr.Kilbeth!…two words!”keep us informed!” have a lovely daySteve!..love to you,as always,gen xxxxx

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    JONNY NOT YET SO HOLLYWOODISH | 20 November 2007 at 6:29 am #

    kill all me pain killa…
    Junior

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    fantasticandy | 20 November 2007 at 7:32 am #

    yes, yes, yes!
    this part of the process is sooo tricksy.
    you got 24 tracks though yer lucky bugger….i have to produce epics on 8!
    steve, one of the best things about your music is the way it gradually unfolds..none of this ‘in ya face’ crap.
    youv’e proved time and time again that it’s perfectly possible to ‘rock out’ with grace and beauty too.
    hey, listen to the new ‘cult’ album
    my friend, and hear all the ideas they have nicked from ‘sometime anywhere’.
    you’ll laugh yer socks off!
    love to all,
    andy L.

  8. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 7:33 am #

    P’s lucky to be mixing and you’re lucky to have him. I bet it sounds wonderful, can’t wait to hear it. Oh, what I’d give to know how to mix sound. I can play … I can write, but I know f-all about mixing. The only thing I can mix is porridge.

    Best of luck with this release. I hope it reaches the heights it deserves.

    Much love and respect
    MungoPushul x

  9. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 8:05 am #

    Do you think when the new music comes out you might update your blogg photo.
    You kinda look like a white guy doing a black and white minstrel impersonation
    maammmmie

  10. avatar
    steve kilbey | 20 November 2007 at 8:12 am #

    yeah yeah
    updatin’ the photo
    my number one priority

  11. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 8:30 am #

    I didn’t see any photo?…… ;-)) love,gen x

  12. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 9:50 am #

    so tell me, do you ever tease nk like you tease US????? I’M DYING HERE GIVE IT TO ME!!!!!!!
    (the new album, i mean….)
    waiting with shivering anticipation…
    -The Hellbound Heart

  13. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 10:49 am #

    Hey Veleska,

    Have you always been a female?

  14. avatar
    cita | 20 November 2007 at 10:56 am #

    Magic to hear about the layers of sound,the complexity of recording and mixing blows my mind. An intuitive, masterful practise to get it sounding right.

  15. avatar
    woodsprite | 20 November 2007 at 10:59 am #

    When is Painkiller being released?

    What you said is true. Some producers can really ruin an otherwise good song. Remember the repetitive “clap claps” of the 80’s? I think that was part of the whole drum machine phenomena. That’s killed many a song for me.

  16. avatar
    isolde | 20 November 2007 at 11:08 am #

    c’mon it’s a great photo

    one of the best pics of tom cruise i’ve seen!

  17. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 11:11 am #

    looking forward to another masterpiece……

  18. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 11:27 am #

    Formless jelly mix? That’ll be Tyg’s In Space then…

  19. avatar
    ploog's phased snare | 20 November 2007 at 11:30 am #

    True, Steven – my floor tom always merges with the bass notes from the synth drones.
    Tyg’s IS a bit of a swamp mix, I agree, but it’s better than the fuck up that ruined Seance!

  20. avatar
    matthew | 20 November 2007 at 12:15 pm #

    Can’t wait to hear it.

  21. avatar
    Jen Jewel Brown | 20 November 2007 at 12:22 pm #

    I like the photo – it’s the essence of the mocking, shaded Harlequin, that Brandoesque, Col Walter E. Kurtz-like shadow of yourself, the reader, staying stop – come no further into the darkness, my tender young reader, lest you lose everything you once felt was solid ground beneath your feet … Don’t you know, the Tarot card the Fool is ageless? (Cue mocking laughter from chasm festooned by luscious vines, the whining hymns of mosquitos, the blinking of a lantern hanging by a fraying thread, gently knocking in a faint wind, the smell of tiare flowers … )

  22. avatar
    Jen Jewel Brown | 20 November 2007 at 12:26 pm #

    PS, Ian Rilen’s ashes have been scattered over Torquay, one year on… A salute of more of Ruby Davies’ brilliant photos here…

    http://flaminghoop.blogspot.com/

  23. avatar
    nickfiction | 20 November 2007 at 12:28 pm #

    sk are you using gband on your laptop? if you arent then you are missing out on all those late night ideas…. plus it’s easy ….. if i can do it a bug could.

  24. avatar
    emily teechen | 20 November 2007 at 12:29 pm #

    C’mon, you KNOW it’s Nicole Kidman in drag!

  25. avatar
    lily was here | 20 November 2007 at 12:36 pm #

    Master chef Polinski’s been in the kitchen. All is well. There’s silk in there. Missed you while ive been away, fondly in absence.
    x

  26. avatar
    restaurant mark | 20 November 2007 at 12:46 pm #

    loved todays blog…as much as i dig playing live, i think the studio is my favorite…just enjoy working on the mix…i’m naive but with a good ear and a working knowledge of my equipment…so not quite a studio geek. just fun stuff! can’t wait to hear it steve!

    thank you amanda…

    take care everyone

    mark

  27. avatar
    lily was here | 20 November 2007 at 12:57 pm #

    ps Tom Cruise?! Top Gun Killer on a mission.. War of the Words LOL

  28. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 12:58 pm #

    Howsabout that old photobooth shot of you and Donette? Edit her out n there y’go! Y’did it once before, mate, eh!

  29. avatar
    nickfiction | 20 November 2007 at 1:04 pm #

    hahaha

  30. avatar
    matthew | 20 November 2007 at 1:11 pm #

    spite is boring

  31. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 1:47 pm #

    hah, when I first saw the passport photo of you on the Unearthed inner I wondered what the hell you’d done in a past life to be such a handsome bastard in this one!

  32. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 2:22 pm #

    I wish I had this tonight as I spent part of my evening trying to explain to a builder why a musician would choose a producer, or a particular producer over an other producer, and not simply an engineer….and the whole shebang..eq ing; the ear; etc etc

    and then he asked; “so how come Ian Rilen never worked with a Producer?”
    (I’ll leave that one rhetorical)

    Thanks Jen, for the Ruby pics.
    Sad to see Peter Coutanche who is also no longer here.

    Polinski has a gorgeous ear that’s for sure;
    and Killer, I like the pic alot – one day am planning to get it on my SK-Airways shirt

    ps: gated snare reverb…ewww!

    xKittyKat

  33. avatar
    CSTCoach | 20 November 2007 at 2:44 pm #

    very cool. i knew nothing of the way an album is mixed, or that each instrument exists on a seperate track. nice to have an inside perspective on your world. πŸ™‚

    i think the pic is cool. it’s an icon. a brand. the corporate logo of this blog πŸ˜›

    ryan

    – sk – from several entries back it seems the ole rsi is bugging you again. check yer mail, some help could be in the offing.

  34. avatar
    Faint | 20 November 2007 at 2:53 pm #

    Steve Lucas is the only survivor of that version of X. Of course, X/Love Addict Cathy Green Lives! lives! lives! and plays with Steve L in the riz-again deathless X sometime … Lobby Loyd produced X-Aspirations.

    Love Polinski’s live Church mixes BTW

  35. avatar
    Space Goat | 20 November 2007 at 2:59 pm #

    http://www.rsiguard.com/

  36. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 20 November 2007 at 3:20 pm #

    Keep the photo its amenable and stark in a good way.

    My favorite instrument is SK’s voice. It emerged as an instrument on Heyday and Unearthed. The inflections, intonations and modulations are wonderful as they fuse the sounds of Syd Barratt, Bowie(1970’s) and Lennon/Harrison. I don’t really like any pre Heyday Cds because the Lennon/Harrison sound was not present. Sk’s a great singer because at times he is fervent and at other times there is his famous world-weary detachment. His dreamy mode is the best.

    As a MACCA fan I conside that he was not a great vocalist until Revolver. “For No One” and “Eleanor Rigby” were his seminal great vocal songs.

  37. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 20 November 2007 at 3:23 pm #

    concede not conside that MACCA was not a great vocalist until Revolver.

  38. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 3:51 pm #

    Those comments about Veleska…I’d like to put my hands around your neck, you miserable, pathetic, cruel bastard!!!

    Thomas Thomsen, Denmark.

  39. avatar
    cat's claw | 20 November 2007 at 4:15 pm #

    Pax, comrades, pax!

  40. avatar
    drumblebore | 20 November 2007 at 5:02 pm #

    Steve, when you produced Stephen Cummings how much did you have to do with getting the basic sounds?
    Great drum sound on that version of Taken By Surprise – can you replicate that sound for the next Church album?

  41. avatar
    Doh ! | 20 November 2007 at 5:23 pm #

    You saps do realise he was bein sarcastic about updatin the photo, don’t ya?

  42. avatar
    davem | 20 November 2007 at 7:17 pm #

    Can’t wait for it. Polinski did a nice job on MATS. I prefer the mix on MATS to HOB, but prefer the songs on HOB and overall I play HOB far more than MATS….
    Given that we know the mix will be fab and you’re in such a good place creatively it’s bound to be a work of genius!!
    Your work deserves Polinski but it must be great for him to have your product to work with!!
    Bring it on.
    xx
    Hi Sue!!

  43. avatar
    Cee | 20 November 2007 at 7:59 pm #

    Can’t wait for that fizzy vibration.

  44. avatar
    JJ | 20 November 2007 at 8:37 pm #

    I need to put these sounds in my ears soon Druide, hear what you’re hearing. See what images are pulled down from the ether.

    p.s. – Photo is phine. Keep it.

  45. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 9:11 pm #

    Hi
    I’m a spiteful little prick
    I hate it when someone says something nice
    so I come up with my usual snippets of crap
    about donette(sic) (idiot, her name has 2 ‘n”s),
    or ploog or some other wearisome bull, thats
    supposed to embarass Kilbey
    gee I’m a real thorn in his side , arent I?
    its sad really
    that I dont have much of a life
    but it jusy irks me so
    that you people are letting Kilbey get away with it
    because he once was rude to me…….
    and I’m going to get even thats for sure
    he isnt some nice old rocker
    he’s a war criminal
    he’s a murderer
    he’s a destroyer of lives
    look what he did to Nick Ward….
    who’ll be next?
    Kilbey=SATAN

  46. avatar
    restaurant mark | 20 November 2007 at 9:55 pm #

    why would someone…anon of course, say anything mean about veleska? she’s nothing but nice on here and that’s not what this place is for to begin with…don’t understand some people???
    sorry for posting twice professor kilbey.

    mark

  47. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 10:03 pm #

    You did it, you updated! Nice to see the beard, you’re gorgeous you are!
    Love Amanda

  48. avatar
    fantasticandy | 20 November 2007 at 10:24 pm #

    hi sue!
    hope yer keeping ok.

    veleska my sweet…i see our old chum ‘the blog nazi’ is still lurking around!
    what a twat.
    hugs,
    andy L.

  49. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 November 2007 at 10:51 pm #

    black beard?
    is that a touch up job?

  50. avatar
    blackeyes | 20 November 2007 at 11:24 pm #

    nice photo, killer!
    but i’ll miss the old one, which was very fun and quite suitable for this blog.

  51. avatar
    eek | 20 November 2007 at 11:59 pm #

    these sonic painters

    As I was reading along I thought “this sounds a lot like painting.” A collaborative effort though rather than starting from a blank canvas. And you are able to paint with words the process so well I’m able to understand the skill needed to take someone else’s work (the individual tracks) and finish it in a way that brings out the best in the song yet remains faithful to the song creator’s vision for it.

    I’ll always be a bit more aware of mixing now when I listen to music.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    What an appropriate time to change your avatar photo — this post completes two years of blogging. So you are starting a new year with a new avatar. Nice touch.

    Happy two year blog anniversary, Steve! It’s been a wonderful ride so far. Thank you. πŸ™‚

  52. avatar
    Anonymous | 21 November 2007 at 12:45 am #

    dear nasty anon…veleska is beautiful!!….you,however,are very unattractive.take your teeny weeny peeny,or your bucket,and slime back to the swamp you came from,little amoeba…and have a delightful day with all your “friends”…with love,and pity,gen x

  53. avatar
    CSTCoach | 21 November 2007 at 1:06 am #

    jaysus, you did update the photo? what’s next? taking requests? πŸ˜›

    (anyone wanna start shouting “Reptile”?)

  54. avatar
    i love the studio | 21 November 2007 at 1:57 am #

    writing songs ain’t nothing but painting pictures – edie brickell

    what ever happened to those
    new bohemians
    oh yeah she marry’d paul simon

    a well crafted producer makes mediocre artists sound like someone else and real artists
    sound like they are
    -me

    way to go polinski!

    go with your gut let your instincts guide you well as you finish the project you seem particularly “on” right now
    cant wait to hear it brother

    timf

  55. avatar
    cause what i am is what i am | 21 November 2007 at 2:05 am #

    in case i wasn’t clear
    edie brickell fucking sucks

    timf

  56. avatar
    Anonymous | 21 November 2007 at 2:11 am #

    don’t hold back now timf ! πŸ˜‰

  57. avatar
    Melissa | 21 November 2007 at 2:26 am #

    Hi Steve!

    Really enjoyed reading about what’s cooking in the musical kitchen .. like everyone else here, I’m so looking forward to hearing your new music πŸ™‚

    I think the new photo is beautiful! I’m really curious to know what the instrument you’re playing there??? I had a look ’round and found this pic of a “Tar” which looks fairly similar

    http://www.duke.edu/~azomorod/tar.html

    Have a wonderful day! πŸ™‚

  58. avatar
    three comments and yer out | 21 November 2007 at 2:27 am #

    sorry eeks comment made me think of her and i hoped i had put that voice out of my mind forever
    that twang like nails on
    a chalk board
    that stupid grin on her face in the what i am video
    i like rollins’ nice little rant on her and U2 on his boxed life set

    sk nice pic…that sitar or
    what ever it is looks difficult to play

  59. avatar
    Melissa | 21 November 2007 at 2:48 am #

    Tanpura? That’s it, I think πŸ™‚

  60. avatar
    steve kilbey | 21 November 2007 at 7:06 am #

    i cant play that thing

  61. avatar
    davem | 21 November 2007 at 7:19 am #

    Is it from the same shoot as the Freaky Conclusions booklet?

  62. avatar
    lily was here | 21 November 2007 at 9:11 am #

    The new pics a little harder to see than the other, my bad eyesight, but on clicking the larger version i can see the instrument you’re holding. Its a huge bong isnt it? Just kidding. Who owns that beautiful thing?

    To the nasty anon, the only person who can make you happy is YOU. All that negativity, hatred and anger, it will only fester and eat away at your soul. Why treat yourself that way?

    Gidday back to the Brit boys!
    x

  63. avatar
    Centuryhouse | 23 November 2007 at 6:20 am #

    Excellent description! I understand every bit of that painstaking, delicate high wire balancing act that mixing is.

    A listener just things “oh yeah, they threw down another song” but only someone who’s tried to mix can fully get how much goes into that finished mix.

    Can’t wait to hear the new work.


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