posted on November 5, 2008 at 7:36 pm

obviously it is not my field of expertise
but was very pleased to see obama win u.s. elexion
he SEEMS like a very decent kinda bloke
and his academic record (yawn) is blah blah blah
(what the hell wood i know?)
i fear for his life
knowing his death would instantly trigger a kind of civil war
and already reading the white nazi idiots reactions
weve got those imbeciles in every country
uh huh
they definitely got em here…witness cronulla riots
they definitely got loads of em in england
they even got em in scandinavia
where some old school vikings
would like to chuck out all the forbannad svartskulls
(accursed black heads)
you know
will fucking humanity ever get over this thing?
will dogs n cats ever forgive each other
or is it just all part of the obstacle course
that is life on earth…?
in my last life
as you recall
under hypnosis
i was an indian bloke, a sikh hating the english
for what they had done to india
hating the bloody english defined me
as i died i was still obsessed with my hatred
so what did i appear as
but a white puny little english git
the very thing i despised the most
einsteins 13th law :you always become what you hate
(just watch that principle in action, folkss!)
so i kinda feel like i should know
this race thing is a temporary thing
just a one more thing to create friction/diversity down here
one more thing to get over before you move on
the goals change all the time
you gotta adjust
you gotta perceive
you gotta move on
when i was a kid
a mere 50 years ago
my favourite sweets were licorice “cigarettes”
they came in a packet like a ciggy box(another BAD idea)
and the brand name : nigger boy
complete with the most horrific little drawing of that boy
with all the racial exaggerations you can imagine
there was a show on telly as late as the early seventies
the black n white minstrels
the white minstrels were caucasian ladies
the black minstrels were white blokes with boot polish
on their faces complete with big lips n big white eyes
it was so fucking weird
but it had been on telly ever since i could remember
singing songs like
way down upon the swannee river etc
is this racism?
or some trad jazz tradition…?
i’m a bit confused as to what this shows intentions were
i’m sure its on you tube somewhere
this incredible world with all its shameful secrets…
the unbelievable capacity we have to hate n fear each other
ridicule each other because of this n that
havent you?
no matter how much we like barry obama
theres a whole loada klansmen n stuff
who surely will not
and feeling like this will bring on the armageddon they crave
one would imagine someone somewhere is gonna try n
put in a fix on him
its naive to believe it aint so
tho i pray n wish that it might not happen
because if mr obama is as much as hurt
it will surely bring on the long american night
i’m thinking that maybe we had to have bush
so we could have obama (ying n yang?)
yes i say WE
whoever america elects
the rest of us have to fucking suffer
( if n when theyre turkeys…)
its not like u.s. presidents keep to themselves
after world war 2 the u.s. has monkeyed around with this world
often with the most gruesome bloodthirsty results
epitomized by vietnam
a useless war which was totally unnecessary
which took an incredible toll on women n children n civilians
just think of all the residents of hanoi
bombed night after night after fucking night
burning n screaming n hideously mutilated
it was that same olde pack of white protestant anglo saxon gits
the olde geezers who dont fight themselves
but happy to get loads of others killed
bush n cheney the modern ones
back then we had lbj
n bob menzies in aust
old school belligerent numbskulls
go to some place where ya not wanted
n kill the locals
who have different skin/customs/religion
why doesnt everyone just stay put?
if everyone stayed at home theyre be no fucking wars
no one ever wins
the losers lose
the winners lose
the onlookers lose…
where am i going with this
well i just hope old obama doesnt get pushed into malarkey
by all the others
the generals n halliburton n cia n illuminati n whoever else
keeps thinking up reasons to get more people killed
is the president able to resist such pressure?
is that what got jfk killed?
i’d say yeah…n a few other things
so baracks got a big mess to clean up
will they let him do it?
ok call me a dunce
but i dont understand this:
you can spend one bazillion bucks a day on subjugating iraq
but you cant afford health care for the poor
or to fix up the levies in new orleans…
can someone explain that fucking bullshit?
if my kids get sick
i take em to local quack
he sees em
no money even changes hands
surely the u.s. could afford that
most countries got that…why not the u.s.?
will “they” let obama sort this out?
and if not…why not?
another thing
i was dismayed to hear obama using all that american jingoism
that the rest of the world hates so much
and which has indeed proved dangerous to our hopes of peace
mccain was hitting the same old AMERICA stuff
during his extraordinarily gracious concession speech…
when will these guys realise that a patriot
is someone who believes his country is the best
merely because he was born there….
drop the star spangled banner routine boys
thats what the rest of the world DONT want
all that john wayne my country right or wrong tripe
and george w “we’ll smoke em out!”
hey its 2008
those days are over
hopefully barack obama signifies an end to the cowboy era
and a new day can dawn of the intellectual urbane president
one whos on everybodys side
a peace loving man whos gonna heal some of those scars
i love america
have you been there?
its got the BEST n the WORST
my wife is american
eve n aurora are american
i got a huge vested interest in this
i’m tired of fuckin’ kneejerk anti-americanism
i’m tired of the old school cowboys n their ‘orrible wars
mr obama
dont get shot
heal the rifts
sort out the poor
fix up new orleans
make sure i get my next entry visa
i’m really sorry for what i did in 1999 in nyc
and i’m now completely norbal (again)

joe biden was mates with natalies uncle gary who died recently
gary was an active democrat in delaware at all the functions
how sad that he never got to see this happen
just think
the time being woulda had a contact in the whitehouse
now people
lets make this happen now for barry!

81 Responses to “random thoughts on yesterday”

  1. avatar
    EDD | 5 November 2008 at 9:19 pm #

    Steve as an American I gotta say some of us are so cynical that We wouldn’t have known a new JFK if he…well, I don’t have a clever analogy…but I get the feeling this is how people felt when JFK made speeches about a better time in the 60’s. I don’t know. I wasn’t born yet. Hell, after the last 8 years, some Americans need a pep talk to believe in America agian.

  2. avatar
    EDD | 5 November 2008 at 9:24 pm #

    sory Eye mispel tso mutch

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    Brien Comerford | 5 November 2008 at 9:25 pm #

    Obama is a conciliatory peacemaker and so was King, Gandhi, Lincoln and Mandela. Let’s hope Obama can thrive in safety like Mandela did.

  4. avatar
    verdelay | 5 November 2008 at 9:44 pm #

    And the blue shall contain the red
    And the red shall contain the blue
    And the fool shall contain the visionary
    And the visionary shall contain the fool

    And after all the yapping and the barking


    (And the relief shall contain the anxiety

    And the anxiety shall contain the relief



  5. avatar
    kat | 5 November 2008 at 9:53 pm #

    sorry sk, but i gotta disagree. the choices sucked. and though i hope for obama, this could backfire on the people that live in america. you and yer family don't live here. you live in bondi beach land. here, in cincinnati, we have a reverse discrimination problem. you think you know about america???? let alone cincinnati? this town is run and owned and taken over by blacks. they get all the benefits. if i were a black single woman with three children by two fathers, i would financially be covered. were you here in cincinnati when i was almost stabbed in clifton for being WHITE? were you here in cincinnati when the riots were going on? this will only fuel the fire. sorry. i'm outta here. & no, i am not a republican.

  6. avatar
    restaurant mark | 5 November 2008 at 9:54 pm #

    great post today steve. i have the same fears…that some crazy white guy who can’t handle a black president will kill him during a speech or something. there’s no shortage of right wing wackos here. and it would spark no less than national riots, looting, etc.. could completely divide the country in ways that would be incredibly hard to repair. can’t people move on from that kind of behavior and sense the bigger picture. last night watching obama’s speech and seeing the hope in everyone in the audience’s eyes…125,000 people gathered…white, black, hispanic, old, young, rich and poor…it was moving, what our country could be and is supposed to be. and one shot from a gun could ruin all of that newfound promise. our difficulty in providing health care while insurance companies and health costs run wild is the masses buying in to the republican fear of us becoming socialist. if my family bought our own health insurance policy we would spend no less than a thousand dollars a month. right now my wife has it through work and it takes about $125 a week out of her check. i don’t know why we don’t get it worked out. isn’t the government using 700 billion in taxpayers money to bail out the lenders in a way nationalizing the banks. i don’t know??? i’ve got no answers…only more questions, but that sounds like socialism to me. anyway, i do feel the cowboy days are over…obviously preemptive war proved to be a disaster, to say the least…so hopefully we’re done with that. i feel at his best obama is and can continue to be a great communicater. and more importantly a listener. he seems calm and well thought out…i don’t see too many kneejerk reactions coming from him. but we’re in a huge hole…the wars, financially, to the view and opinion the rest of the world has of us now based on the last eight years. he said last night the climb up will be steep. hopefully he’ll get the chance to help us make it up.. without some tragedy occurring. if he lives up to half the promise and hope his supporters and i have for him…we’ll be alright.
    by the way…it would be so cool if you had a contact in the white house. i could see it now…steve kilbey, secretary of the arts. has a nice ring doesn’t it?

    take care everyone

  7. avatar
    Anonymous | 5 November 2008 at 10:11 pm #

    great thoughts and an inspirational blog SK


  8. avatar
    Leelinau | 5 November 2008 at 10:15 pm #

    I still can't bloody believe it.

    A quantum leap in a new direction.

    peace & love


  9. avatar
    EDD | 5 November 2008 at 10:46 pm #

    Hey Kat Here in Oregon, though I haven’t been threatened with death, I too face the same situation..except they are all WHITE single mother with 3 or more baby dadies. I’m white too. It is the same all over. It’s true. I probably would be stabbed if I went into a local redneck bar.

  10. avatar
    ml68 | 5 November 2008 at 11:16 pm #

    dude , you’ve got more political connections through second removed uncle’s cousin’s neighbours than any bonifide parliamentarian I know.

  11. avatar
    the dean | 5 November 2008 at 11:46 pm #

    It’s interesting that the mention a public health system causes the reportedly average us citizen to cry socalism as if this is a bad thing.
    Public health access is a human right.

    From Martin Luther King to Barack Obama – is a chapter that people will still study in a thousand years.

  12. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 12:22 am #

    No more white men over 60 for the next 16 years should do the job…



    OBAMA !

  13. avatar
    Timothy Bracken | 6 November 2008 at 12:41 am #

    I'm hoping that they might actually prosecute Bush&Friends…

  14. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 6 November 2008 at 1:01 am #


    You are correct about the enormous amount of black on black and black on white violent crime in places like CHicago, Detroit and your town. Secure people in majestic Bondhi can not relate to us on this issue.
    The Good News
    Obama is not an apologist for blacks. He’s a uniter and a not a divider like some of the other African American leaders. I’ve met him and I’ve closely followed his career. He was strongly supported by all the major White political leaders in Chicago including Mayor Daley. The latter ardently combats murderous gangs every day.

  15. avatar
    ross b | 6 November 2008 at 2:43 am #

    I hope this administration invests heavily in clean, renewal energy!

  16. avatar
    CAPTAIN BEYOND | 6 November 2008 at 3:22 am #

    I am sure Barry Obama wood appreciate this blog, it shows and proves that you care about us poor folk in the U.S.A., write on esskay write on…

  17. avatar
    captain mission | 6 November 2008 at 3:42 am #

    that was a beautifully put.
    how does it end?

    i loved my travels through america, met some amazingly brilliant people who were generous and wonderful, they embraced me and i them. the last 8 years has pained me greatly, friends who have never been there making huge generalizations, distortion rules the media, while australia was complicit in the invasion of timor for oil the public were marching against the US. everyone is guilty of something, the only chance is the war inside ourselves in the struggle to be a better human being.
    a struggle that becomes increasingly difficult as society becomes more insane with each passing day.
    yesterday was a big day because it shows that people want vision, they elected change and want to move in a different direction.
    so one could say that generally people are waking up.

    i do think in realistic terms the new President is a target, all facts indicate that there are enough crazies out there who will not be able to tolerate a black man in the white house. And yes if this were to occur the US would indeed be plunged into a catastrophe unlike any before. but for the moment there’s a resource in the world more precious than water, hope.

  18. avatar
    Queen Hatshepsut | 6 November 2008 at 3:54 am #

    Kat: I hear you -although I do not live with your exact predicament. I live in Los Angeles and do I even have to tell anybody what our big problem is here? The infrastructure of the city is collapsing under the weight of TOO MANY PEOPLE – and I’m sorry to say, too many illegal immigrants. Although my heart breaks for those people who come to America and I can fully understand why they want to come here…simply wanting a better life…L.A. is just a nightmare of cultures who all seem to hate each other and send a huge amount of money OUT of the country, not BACK into the system. There are thousands and thousands of immigrants with no legal status and most are Hispanic. I have taught precious Hispanic children in schools where they’ve literally just come over the border and can’t speak English. Their lives are brutally hard here – but I suppose better here than where they came from. I am alternately furious at the situation and then I see these kids and I feel sorry for them.
    It’s f***ed up all over the place in this country.

    I don’t believe any one man, or even one administration will be the great Saviour that America seems desperate for now. I like Obama – although there are things about his past that still bother me and cause me to wonder about him. But I will not apologize to anyone for feeling the last 8 years have been a total nightmare. For me, you could put Mickey Mouse in the White House in January and I will sigh in relief.

    I guess like everyone else, I will just have to wait and see what happens. I’m pretty cynical; I often wonder if it’s just automatic – you become a politician and the corruption of your soul is inevitable. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Did I get that right? I can’t recall who said it.

    And Steven – I am as afraid as you are that Mr. Obama will be assassinated. Last night, when he gave his acceptance speech in Grant Park in Chicago, I was terrified! Did they strip search every person there? Is he going to walk down the street on Inauguration Day? I’d be living in a bullet-proof “President-mobile” – like the Pope-mobile. But that’s me.

    Ok, that was long. So sorry!

  19. avatar
    kat | 6 November 2008 at 5:45 am #

    thank you, denise. at least you and brien comprehend what i am saying. racism is a big problem and so that is my main fear about a black president. i think everyone has been way too harsh about bush. he walked into a pile of shit from clinton, but thats just my take. my dad was in the korean war, so i know a bit. & i am damn proud of him for it. sorry, peace & love people. i don't think that way of iraq. or vietnam. i love the way other countries always want our financial help, and on the other hand tell us we are too involved. i wish obama the best of luck. isn't hussein (sp?) in part of his name? he should be like a race car driver and know what he is up against.

  20. avatar
    markobears | 6 November 2008 at 6:18 am #

    I’m so glad we didn’t get another John Wayne wanna be. I share the same fear that Obama may become another war monger for “our safety.”
    Could he have been a team palyer all along and this is just damage control? AMerica is hated big time!! His history as a civil rights lawyer along with his wacky pastor who has showed disgust for Americas international policy gives me some hope. As for this moment in time i am very happy though I voted for Mckinney of the Green party.. Rednecks your time is up! Yes the entire world hates you and this is what you get! A black man in the white house! HA! HA HA! Kat, I agree with you. We should all be treated equal. Same problem here. There’s alot of decent black people so I’m not joining the KKK or anything but as far as trying to sound pc and say blacks have it bad and need special benifits and understanding is bull shit. Racism comes from any color and the fact is you got alot of racist blacks.

  21. avatar
    kat | 6 November 2008 at 7:01 am #

    well said, marko & edd, and everyone really. lets not forget that it is obvious that obama was behind the big financial scam regarding fannie mae. and his funding? same place my friend that worked at g.e. said all the money was going.. not to "allies" so for me to say he is bright * shiny would be a lie. of course i really don't like any politicians. dude hasn't earned my trust. i worry about terrorist stuff too with any new presi. & unlike most of you i want a president that will step up and take action against terrorism instead of do nothing to take a stand.

    the whole immigration problem – watch lewis black, the comedian. that problem started in the 70's at least…

    ok, i really am leaving. if you all think i am bad, you should have heard my mom. you never won an argument with her regarding politics or reds baseball. lol

  22. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 7:28 am #

    Kat, you say “i am not a republican”, but the words that come from your mouth are like that of a bigot.

    Sorry, but… “i love the way other countries always want our financial help, and on the other hand tell us we are too involved”… do you really think Iraq (or much of the rest of the world) wants your invasion to prop up your oil supplies and economy?

  23. avatar
    athanasiuspernath | 6 November 2008 at 7:30 am #

    > the very thing i
    > despised the most

    does that mean you will be a carnivorous, fat-bellied, belching soccer dad running, say, an oil company in your next life!?

    > he walked into a pile
    > of shit from clinton

    @kat..haha, but obama walks into a WORLD of shit from bush

  24. avatar
    athanasiuspernath | 6 November 2008 at 7:39 am #

    national deficit 455.000.000.000$.
    so much for republican economic expertise.

  25. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 7:41 am #

    Music please Mr Music

  26. avatar
    lily was here | 6 November 2008 at 7:44 am #

    The conductor for the black’n’white minstrel show, George Mitchell, is actually related to me on my english/scottish side; a great uncle. Ironic in a way as I suffered racist taunts in my school days. My islander mum married an english lad and his sister also married an islander.The NZ newspapers actually interviewed my english grandparents to ask what it was like to have not one, but TWO mixed-race marriages in the family. God forbid hey!


    ps Steve! Please despise ultra wealthy vegans from now on. Brien should have a list LOL

  27. avatar
    kat | 6 November 2008 at 7:46 am #

    anon: those words are true, republican, democrat, or ron paul voter. )go deb! it is TRUE other countries want the money but we then should > stay out. a little double standard, no???? been that way for a long time. there is nothing anyone can say one here to bring me down off that one. sorry.

    bye bye now

  28. avatar
    persephone2u | 6 November 2008 at 8:05 am #

    Clinton had already planned for the Iraq invasion and signed papers accordingly, long before Bush. Obama is better than Bush, but hell, I’d rather a chimp, squirrel or lemur were in office than Bush. Until a third party is in office I’m afraid there will never be true change. The powers that be would never let a man like Ron Paul, who actually wanted real change, to lead the country anyway.

  29. avatar
    Andromeda7 | 6 November 2008 at 9:03 am #

    Wow you guys, don’t you realise that this is a chance for the world to take a quantum leap towards less division, more cooperation? Divisiveness, wars, jealousy and bigotry are tools of fools – swords of the past. They make us smaller, meaner, weaker and poorer as a species. With climate change and massive species loss facing us I can’t believe some of you are sniping at single mothers, who are, in Australia and I suspect also the States, the lowest socio economic bracket across all races. You don’t have proper health care in the US either. Imagine what that feels like when you’re the only one there to help and your child is really ill. 86% of single parents are Mums in Australia and women earn 70% of what men do for the same job. Contrary to popular prejudice most single Mums have made a go of a relationship and have been left without proper support in the wake of relationship breakdown. Many have been through abusive situations, legal struggles and loss of assets, income, social life and freedom, and are now trying their damnedest to do everything for their children, pay the bills alone, the rent alone and try to keep down a job while facing school holidays, sick kids, government pressure and a lack of safe and reliable child care, which is generally going to come off as inferior to good hands-on parenting anyway – the kind kids genuinely need. One day you may find yourself in this situation – check the divorce statistics. It absolutely whallops you. Having kids is the most beautiful and most terrifying experience when you’re doing it alone. It devastates your financial and social standing, but you’re proud to do it because it matters so crucially, because your kids are feeling insecure and hurt and because love is the only thing to do in this situation. A caring society protects those most in need. Barrack was raised largely by a single Mum, and also his grandparents. Look what a fine job they did.


  30. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 9:09 am #

    America elects a half black man and now the world has real hope??? Are you guys fucking kidding me? Lets disregard thousands of years of the history of humanity and realize we are all going to get along now, Obama is now leader of the U.S.A. Formerly run by satan Bush but now we are all free. yahoooo! A corrupt chicago politician runs the free world.. No more world hunger, war, or venerial disease!

  31. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 9:40 am #


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    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 9:49 am #

    s.k. a large portion of your blog was about how we all need to get over race but isn’t that the point of the election in the united states? it seems they have turned the corner in regards to race and you are re-hashing old jive in spite of this turnabout. You state bush and cheney wanted to get people killed, how come you never mention the arab muslim killers? is this killing thing globally a white old man syndrome exclusively? kat is correct, there are many places in the states that you can get stabbed or shot simply for being white. yet you blame the worlds problems on old white people. inconsistent . you are the one generalizing ethnic groups

  33. avatar
    melissa | 6 November 2008 at 10:14 am #

    the power of the vote and the power of the people .. ain’t it grand?! 😉

    i think it’s a wonderful result 😀 Good luck and blessings to Mr Obama

  34. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 10:15 am #

    Obama has a white mother. He is half white half black, whatever that means. So why is he the first black president?
    He is a man with principles and charisma. Half white half black. Why do we define him as a colour.
    I also fear he will be killed.
    Watch LOOSE CHANGE. Steve you have influence, please watch this film and tell your followers. A movie made by American students.
    I am happy to provide a copy.
    I hate conspiracy theory crap, but when facts are presented to you in a concise format, your knees buckle and you cry.

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    triantelope | 6 November 2008 at 10:18 am #

    you can spend one bazillion bucks a day on subjugating iraq
    but you cant afford health care for the poor
    or to fix up the levies in new orleans…
    can someone explain that fucking bullshit?

    A cynic might say America needs to maintain a large poor population so there’s always plenty of kids growing up whose only career option is to join the army. America needs cheap expendable soldiers.

    Let’s hope the turning point has finally been reached.

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    fantasticandy | 6 November 2008 at 10:43 am #

    this is a troubled world….
    it’s all here today….
    in this blog,
    in these comments,
    in microcosm.

    we are all ‘different’.

    let it be.

    andy L.

  37. avatar
    Richard | 6 November 2008 at 10:46 am #

    on anon anon anon anon…

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    eek | 6 November 2008 at 10:52 am #

    I’m pleased. While I don’t think any politician should get complete trust, I generally like Obama and I’m thrilled he will be our next President. I don’t expect miracles from him at all and I think those who do are incredibly unrealistic, but I am happy we elected this articulate, intelligent man. When it came down to it, I liked his his obvious intelligence, his personality (calm, cool, collected — not prone to panic), and I could live with his positions on issues. For a politician, that’s pretty good! His race (or gender, for that matter) doesn’t really matter to me, but I can certainly see why it is so special for people who only got secure voting rights less than 45 years ago.

    I do think the Secret Service has an extra tough job protecting Obama because yeah, there are unfortunately loads of bigots here who feel a black president is intolerable. All it takes is one nutjob with a little bit of luck.

    As for the jingoism, Obama caught so much shit for not wearing a fucking flag pin on his lapel that I think he just made sure to always include all the expected buzz words so people would shut the fuck up about “he’s not a patriot because he’s not wearing a flag pin” bullshit. I see it as a bit like UTMW is for you — he has to say certain phrases or people get their shorts in a bunch. Yeah it makes me cringe too, but it seems to be a requirement that US politicians — ones who want to get elected anyway — have to spew such stuff. Another one of those embarrassing US oddities.

    Kat — wow, just wow. I disagree completely with your comments today.

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    Sharka - 树 | 6 November 2008 at 10:58 am #

    Kilbey, great work again!

    I think Obama is a good man and that he’ll do very well.

    It will be interesting to see how it all plays out!

    Everything is always evolving!

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    persephone2u | 6 November 2008 at 10:59 am #

    Er, anonymous, if you perhaps paid a little closer attention you would know that I DON’T fuck english men. And I can guarantee you that my family have been in America (first ancestor worked for The London Company and sailed in 1608) and involved in American politics a lot longer than yours. Fact. Have a nice day! =)

  41. avatar
    eek | 6 November 2008 at 11:06 am #

    Anon at 9:59 PM — I was simply expressing my pleasure that we have elected an intelligent and articulate president in Obama, unlike the current occupant of the White House who is neither intelligent nor articulate. It’s been a long eight years of idiocy. I’m very happy it’s almost over.

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    QueenofCarthage | 6 November 2008 at 11:06 am #

    Thanks to all today, it´s so inspirational to see we are all so different,we even got some of our omnipresent anonymous dosage mischievously disrespectful, bet you are pissed off cos´ Obama has won!
    It´s incredible we all read this blog cos we have a crush on Steve´s infinite ways of expression,especially his music, but yet have so diverse opinions on real life issues.And they say music expands your mind…Extra Painkiller for the non convert!

    …thanks so much Andromeda-Jen for your defense on us single mothers across the world, I am one in Spain but get no aid whatsoever from the state, and admire countries where this is true.These millions of kids being brought up by their brave mums deserve a helping hand!
    Historically Welfare states in Europe are more often than not related to conservative governments_surprisingly enough it was the Labour party in the UK who started cutting social benefits as soon as they could, so don´t you worry fiends in USA, having a decent health system accessible to all your people including illegal ones, won´t make a socialist den off you! The future may be as bright as we wish, making the world a nice healthy planet to be for all creatures, or as many as we can on the way…

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    heather | 6 November 2008 at 11:08 am #

    I’m glad Obama won; but he aint gonna save us – he is still a politician; and yes, power does corrupt and would corrupt any of us (except maybe Mother Theresa and M. Ghandi and the peerless Nelson Mandela, who, being human, neglected his family in favour of
    his commitment to social justice). Expecting a person to solve and resolve our purile and petty insecurities and ill informed value judgements is just dumb; and reeks of the christian matrydom ethic.

    We are all responsible for our own beliefs and behaviours, and perhaps
    “We are all prostitutes” (The Pop Group). yo verdelay.

    saw the Tibetan Monks doing the throat thing last weekend…now that’s impressive…


  44. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 11:09 am #

    Great reply eek, our unintelligent current president is graduate of yale. Out of curiousity where did you go to school?

  45. avatar
    eek | 6 November 2008 at 11:13 am #

    I didn’t. I was raised by wolves. 😉

  46. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 11:13 am #

    Quick question –

    Is anyone on this forum/comments section actually black? Just wondering what their perspective would be….


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    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 11:18 am #

    Again a clever retort eek but that is the whole point. You are looking down on someone who is very intelligent and perceptive simply because you disagree with his politics. And you call him ignorant. The new guy who agrees with you is ‘intelligent and articulate’. Bush ran a large state, many businesses, and U.S. and he is dumb. Obama spent a couple of years in the Senate and ran nothing and he is intelligent. You are a part of the american idol mindset. Beauty over substance.

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    eek | 6 November 2008 at 11:34 am #

    Nope, I look down on Bush because he’s stupid. You can think whatever makes you happy though.

  49. avatar
    Hellbound Heart | 6 November 2008 at 11:40 am #

    viva freedom of speech….
    it’s wonderful to have someone who’s president who’s not some old fart who gets advice fron fundamentalist evangalists…..
    c’mon guys, we’re supposed to be intelligent adults here, let’s not descend into shit slinging…..
    my daughter said today that she knows the name of the prime minister of australia…i asked her to repeat it in case i heard her wrong….
    it’s kevin rug….
    love always…

  50. avatar
    Hellbound Heart | 6 November 2008 at 11:42 am #

    from from from!!!!!

  51. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 11:46 am #

    Hey hellbound heart, who is getting advice from fundamentalist evangalists exactly that you have privy information about? You are also living in la-la land. So Obama will not get advice from jeremiah wright the anti-white racist anti-civilization minister who baptized him or his kids or who married him? Please give me a break. Bush took most of his recent advice from Condeleeza Rice, you know the african american who was first to hold the post of secretary of state, same job that Thomas Jefferson once held. Is she a fundamentalist evangalist and I didn’t get the message?

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    persephone2u | 6 November 2008 at 11:46 am #

    Heather at 10:08 p.m.

    I love The Pop Group and We Are All Prostitutes is one of my favorite songs. So few people I’ve met have heard of The Pop Group which is a shame!

  53. avatar
    eek | 6 November 2008 at 12:01 pm #

    Rice was the first what to hold to post of Sec of State?

  54. avatar
    heather | 6 November 2008 at 12:13 pm #

    anon I work for the public service at executive level and I can tell you from first hand experience that some people who are in senior management positions are there beacuse of patronage, not competency; and the same goes for private enterprise, where I have also worked.

    go eek!


  55. avatar
    persephone2u | 6 November 2008 at 12:36 pm #

    Well, dear anonymous, if deciding to have a baby with your husband makes one a prostitute, I guess that says a lot about your mother. Only I’m betting she wasn’t married and it wasn’t an act of love either. =P

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    mahatma kane jeeves | 6 November 2008 at 1:52 pm #

    yeah – you tell him persephone – what an unpleasant fuck

  57. avatar
    questionsaboutfaithetc | 6 November 2008 at 2:31 pm #

    You’re right. It’s naive to think that extremists have their plots in mind already to take out somebody they don’t even understand. Isn’t that what they did to Jesus? They didn’t understand him, so they killed him? Obama probably knows deep in his heart that he is in danger, but also knows that he will become stronger in death.

    Hope will remain alive.

  58. avatar
    restaurant mark | 6 November 2008 at 2:32 pm #

    i don’t even know where to start…
    most everyone has voiced their opinions in a thoughtful, intelligent way…
    kat i have to say i disagree with some of your statements. yes, there’s black racism too, but you know, i grew up in a city that was half black, live in one now that’s half black…in the 90’s had a serious gang problem. one night walking 4 blocks down the street to the club i worked at to get paid for djing, a car turned around, came back, three black gang members jumped out mugged and threatened to kill us. luckily cars were coming so they decided to take off. did i hate them yes…did it make me hate blacks…no. in fact, i’ve been harrassed by more white rednecks in my day than blacks by far. anyway, don’t lump the ones who get handouts in with the ones who don’t. plenty of whites getting handouts too. next, countries when have a tsunami hit…yes, they want our help and money…and we gladly donate and do that. just like i donated for people in my own country when katrina hit. but do they want us invading, bombing the shit out of them, hanging out for years on end and trying to force our ways on them? absolutely not…and remember iraq had NOTHING to do with 911. as far as clinton leaving bush in a pile of shit…are kidding me? come on, bush inherited a $127 billion surplus from clinton. now you can find other info to say our actual debt was 4 trillion when he left…but our national debt is now over 10 trillion dollars. they actually ran out digits on the sign that keeps up with it. not to mention we are in two wars that we weren’t in before. i’ll give him afghanistan and the taliban/al queda. but iraq where we spend billions weekly…he created his own pile of shit. sorry, i like you kat, but bush and his administration will go down as one of the worst ever…and they have no one to blame but themselves.
    anon 10:27…you totally crossed a line of any good tastes at all.
    anon 8:37…wow got any problems with us all? i’ll let the others attacked speak up for themselves, but yes i do natioal health care. and yes, occasionaly i paint someone’s bedroom or do a faux finish in someone’s living room…how terrible and slack of me to make someone’s house look better. but MOST of the time i’m wearing a hard hat, harnessed into a boom lift, up 40 to 60 feet in the air, trying to maneuver through trees and electrical lines, while the wind’s blowing 20 miles an hour and we’re swaying back and forth trying not to hit anything, just so we can paint a safety railing on top of whatever factory we’re working at that week. i think that counts as a real job! fuck you…what do you do? oh yeah, and my wife works because she’s the one with the medical insurance. and because we have a house payment, two kids from her previous marriage, that i mostly support by the way, another child of our own on the way, and we’re trying to give them the best life and education we possibly can. is that ok with you??? i bet you’d be a lot quieter person and your tongue not quite as active if you had to stand in front of any of us and spout off all your shit. oh yeah, you’re a real bad ass when your nameless and faceless typing on a computer, aren’t ya???

    sorry steve…couldn’t let it slide this time.

    take care everyone

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    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 2:41 pm #

    Don’t be too impressed with Biden just because he’s a Delaware native (as is much of my family). Steve-o, you’re a fan of decriminalization, I assume. Please to review Counterpunch’s September article on Biden’s central role in the drug wars:

    Not that the McCain ticket was any good, but neither is this one.

  60. avatar
    Leo | 6 November 2008 at 2:42 pm #

    Hi, Steve….visite my blog…is dedicated to The Church and you……..leave a message, please…..congratulations for this blog….see you!

  61. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 3:11 pm #

    we’re ignoring him, remember? No matter what. Best way.

  62. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 3:32 pm #

    Good blog Kilbey…but man, though I’m an anon, I think you should turn that function off permanently. There are some scary weirdos posting on here, now spreading slander against you.


  63. avatar
    Tony Pucci | 6 November 2008 at 3:43 pm #

    i’ll keep this simple
    with obama there is a glimmer of hope
    with mccain there would be none
    eyes on the horizon

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    davem | 6 November 2008 at 4:00 pm #

    I was pleased to read Mr Puccis comment. That’s about where I stand, Tony.
    My biggest hope for us in blighty is that we start to slowly distance ourselves from american foreign policy. We have our own issues here around social cohesion (or it’s absence) to deal with and our presence in Iraq has done nothing to improve our safety nor has it achieved anything to improve the lives of people in Iraq.
    I’m from Birmingham, England and I’m proud of our diverse community, albeit far from perfect. I fail to see how having a black President can send out a message of anything other than hope.
    I would have no issues with messrs Bush and Blair being tried as war criminals.

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    Shawn El | 6 November 2008 at 5:18 pm #

    well then it sounds like Joey B. could be your meal ticket – why wait for Barry? Have NK get on the phone to Delaware. (When are you coming back to dear olde Uncle Sam BTW? – we miss ya)

  66. avatar
    Anonymous | 6 November 2008 at 5:30 pm #

    dear anon:if you are looking at a crowd of ladies in little black bikinis,and wish to identify the redhead,how on earth are you supposed to distinguish her,for the sighting,unless you point out her hair?a spade is a it a shovel if you want,but,essentially,it is a spade…and for that matter,it is a spade with a fantastic set of legs!you identify yourself as “anonymous”.i am a redhead in a little black bikini.youd know me if you saw me,by that fact alone.being that i am nameless to you,how else would you identify me.”racism”is such a strange term,especially when identity is a matter of pride.strange fruit,Billie!:D peace n love to all .xo 😀

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    John | 6 November 2008 at 5:33 pm #

    I live north of Indianapolis, in an area that would defy most people’s quite incorrect impressions of Indiana as nothing more than a stretch of cornfield from interstate to interstate. I live amongst the suburban ‘palaces’ that are mostly inhabited by people with far more time and money on their hands than brains in their heads. As I stood in line for a couple of hours to cast my vote for Obama I was eavesdropping on the hushed electioneering of my ‘neighbors’ whose insulated lives had numbingly led them there to cast their votes for McCain, hoping to maintain the ‘status quo’, after all things don’t seem bad at all to them. So it was with a lot of pride (and a fair amount of spite) that I watched as Indiana, birthplace of the KKK, turned blue for Obama after 40 years.

    I too fear for his safety. As my wife said when we saw the final results in the morning “My God, what have we done to the man?”

  68. avatar
    Cee | 6 November 2008 at 5:46 pm #

    I’d take a bullet for Obama.
    No, really.

  69. avatar
    Cee | 6 November 2008 at 6:00 pm #

    Why is there always such negativity and ugliness here?
    Can you imagine if all of us, registered and anons, were stranded together somewhere? We’d destroy ourselves immediately over an unwillingness to listen to each other (even when we disagree) and discuss things calmly and intelligently. Never mind deciding who’s going to gather the coconuts. (note: we’re stranded on a beautiful island but we won’t see that because of the bickering and spite)
    Bye everyone.

  70. avatar
    Uncle Chuck | 6 November 2008 at 6:09 pm #

    Cee, you just described exactly why humankind is so far behind in what it could have been. Closemindedness.

  71. avatar
    steve kilbey | 6 November 2008 at 7:09 pm #

    well well
    just imagine
    that sad little man who is the anon trying to get you all upset
    (and succeeded)
    (and got some pithy answers back, tho the imbecile didnt care)
    imagine hes been reading every blog
    and waiting patiently till the anons was turned back..
    can you imagine his level of dedication
    how he must envy me
    how he must be jealous of our little gatherings on here
    he feels excluded
    he feels emasculated
    hes got no talent
    no one loves him
    no one reads his blog
    no one fucking cares cos hes a ball-less face-less
    prick whose greatest glory is trying to ruin someone elses little trip
    wag youre predictable
    a coward
    a fucknuckle
    a clown
    ok you gonna hang in there now another few weeks
    while the anons go off….?
    be patient now

  72. avatar
    Queen Hatshepsut | 6 November 2008 at 7:43 pm #

    Well said, SK. I just didn’t feel up to taking the pathetic, sad little creature on today. 🙂

    Cee – your comment made me think ‘Lord of the Flies’ – oh heavens, I hope we’d all be nicer to each other than that! I promise to share my coconuts with all Church fans…no matter their politics, race, beliefs or what have you. And don’t worry, we wouldn’t starve…I’d be the first one looking for food, haha.
    peace, at least for today!!

  73. avatar
    ScaughtFive | 6 November 2008 at 8:19 pm #

    Republicrats! Democans! Wacks! Blites! It’s all too much for me to take! God is in the sky and the Emperor is far away. That’s a good thing right.

  74. avatar
    restaurant mark | 6 November 2008 at 8:33 pm #

    sorry…i lost my normal restraint there earlier. catch me the wrong way first thing in the morning and it’s on! the hot headed virgo runs strong through me at times.


  75. avatar
    davem | 6 November 2008 at 8:54 pm #

    Mr Kilbey sir.
    Huge amounts of love coming at ya!

  76. avatar
    markobears | 6 November 2008 at 9:23 pm #

    Politics brings out the best in everyone (O:

  77. avatar
    kat | 6 November 2008 at 9:32 pm #

    hey everyone, sorry if i came off the wrong way earlier. i don’t know a fucking thing about politics.. i’m too absorbed in my own personal bs right now to follow.

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    lily was here | 6 November 2008 at 11:03 pm #

    Hey there Kat! The common man shouldnt have to understand politics, thats what the academics are there for, but we do need to have respect,trust& believe in our leaders. Voters showed how they'd lost faith. majority wants to give someone else a shot (no pun intended). Same thing happened here in Oz. Time will tell. The majority has to rule. Who can ever really know what goes on behind closed doors? I hope things pick up for you. I know where you're coming from but I believe Obama will, as his campaign says, give hope and inspiration. If not, they'll show him the door. The media & public are going to make a freakin' celebrity out of him though, turn him into royalty. Man, I hope his family can keep a handle on it all.


    btw people, labels like 'redneck' cause division and hatred as much as any other derogatory names. We all need to laugh together at our differences.
    Love is but a song we sing
    fears' the way we die!

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    kat | 7 November 2008 at 12:21 am #

    lily, you just made me think of that song, is it by charile pride, or charlie rich, or hoily doiley hell i dunno who it is but it goes:

    when we get behind closed doors, when she lets her hair hang down..



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    captain mission | 7 November 2008 at 7:19 am #

    ha, some one asked if any one reading this is black, i’m actually considered black here in australia (although where i grew up in london i was not. i don’t understand it either and it’s puzzled me for many years). i would describe myself olive skinned, anyways….

    my take on obama is who cares what colour he is. what difference can that make, if you were blind you wouldn’t even know. the ‘thing’ i celebrate in his win is that no matter what you may think about politics, he inspires with a message of hope. that’s gotta be better than the usual ‘fear tactics’ unless your already dead.

    i’m sure if he needed to protect america he would, he knows his responsibilities but i feel he won’t be as gung-ho as his opposition. and in warfare that’s probably a good thing. or at least it was in the days when the art of war was written.

    i’m jewish as well by the way. a black jew. if i was gay i’d run for president next time 🙂

  81. avatar
    captain mission | 7 November 2008 at 7:21 am #

    ps. i love the pop group, great band, i saw them once in london. i loved their album cover, the tribal one.

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