posted on June 18, 2007 at 1:28 am

and all round handsome brute
torn apart by his own commenters
driven crazy by the taste of his sweet pure blood
no no
some cried
save him save him
and they seized the right half of him and pulled
others cried wicked
and they seized the left and tugged
and still others
inquisitors and torturers
asked tricksy questions
tricksy my preciousses
or they put their words in his mouth
and then beat him for it
spat upon and insulted
for having said
please be kind to all the beasts…
and they pulled and tore him asunder
he who had loved them so much
he who had shared unflinchingly
he who had over n over stated his misgivings about himself
he who was frank and forthright
he with the iq of a genius and the calves of a dancer
he with the gold records and mercurial teeth
he with the encyclopaedic knowledge of rocknroll
he with 2 sets of twins
he who has no country
he who is 1st son of 1st son
he who had been there and done that
but was thoughtful observant and eloquent enough
to come back and tell you about it in poetic terms no less
go ahead
wags nibble on his carcass now
detractors desecrate his memory with obscene slogans
his followers have declared him a public holiday
and many of them now dress in scruffy clothes to honour him
and smoke the sacred erb
tucking into nut cutlets
wearing wispy hair wigs
and false white beards
they call him the saint who was no saint
the prophet without profit
white hippy moses
the mangey panther
the fool
the time being
the charlatan
the killer of children and women
the olde fella
the ladies man
the uneven one
slim boy grunt
steve fairchild
steve underwood
steve bennett
steve a’door
the one who was pretty
hippy dribble
the voice of the voiceless
the merciful one
deaf as a post
mr resilience
the clown
man of sorrows
mr kilbey
the one who could go either way
so many names
so many games
so misunderstood
so sad
such a shame
some said stop
some said go
some said hi
some said lo
and behold me tight!
some said oh i love you time being
please take your time
strip these hours from me
remove these minutes as if they were my garment
paint me a picture of living life
some said i am leaving
i am leaving
but the fighter still remained
watching me watching me
waiting to hurt
hasnt this earth gotta nuff hurt already
enuff sadness n sorrow
no no no
in coming slings and arrows
outrageous fucking fortune
ducking and weaving
dodging them brickbats
oh theyre cutting me to the quick n the dead
so many words
so many bad vibes
poor be-wildered olde killer
he stands up confused
who turned out the lights? he asks
in the darkness of his tribulation
some of his apostles say
close it down sweet man
we cannot bear to see thee slandered and abused thus
others say
we have come with thee thus far
but now alas our parts must path
others say wherever you lead dear master
there we will follow
for your sake
but for my sake
is for your sake
and the ones who cant see wont believe
and then the pharisees said
how dare you tell us not to eat the beasts
we have always eaten them
we are given dominion over them (it says)
and we’ll do whatever the fuck we like
besides what about in tibet?
or mongolia?
and the holocaust?
and abortion?
and the disabled?
and the old?
the homeless?
and sickness?
and poverty?
and dole cheats?
and the broken pavement on hall street
and the lions?
and the a-theists?
and heroin?
and going to jail?
and whatta bout the past?
and whatta bout me?
and whatta bout you?
what about what you did?
yes you you you!
dont worry about keith richards n loo read
what about you?
who me?
yeah you!
oh i lied n cheated n ignored n fucked up
oh i been so wrong about so many things
so many many so many many
sins i grant you
i sinned i sind i rescind
sinned to cinder
but one thing im sure of…
no no no say pharisees
you arent sure of anything
no right to be sure
but i feel this
no no no
you dont feel you fool
dont feel
your foolish feelings
but are we humans?
is this humanity?
is this love in action?
is this the way whoever would have wanted it?
can you dig life?
life….not ours to take away…not like that
not to breed beasts in fear factory
hunt them yes if youre a hunter
how many hunters here? asked the being
but hardly any raised their hands…
but the fish…
but mongolia…
but the iron…
but the advertisements with sam neill…
the being swung around angrily and he declared

81 Responses to “saint killer , supermart-yr”

  1. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 3:12 am #

    we are the knights we say….”neat neat neat”. oh i’m sorry……..we’re the damned.

  2. avatar
    Tony | 18 June 2007 at 3:24 am #

    a modern-day

  3. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 3:31 am #

    me want Heyday story
    SK no tell Heyday story

  4. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 3:40 am #

    have a beautiful day..Mr Kilbey….genx xxxxxxx

  5. avatar
    daniel12 | 18 June 2007 at 3:45 am #

    Oh Dear Nevets , That was the most!. You’ve made my day i’m still chucklin.

    Luv ya work.


  6. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 3:53 am #

    Holy god sk, I don’t know what to say to this one….again! All I know is I’m sending my subscription to you a.s.a.p. ‘cos I still love thee and thy blog (or is it love thy and thee blog???). Anyway, you know what I mean!
    Love always,

  7. avatar
    SATAN | 18 June 2007 at 4:02 am #


    you continue to prove you do your best work when your ranting!!

    From a,
    Non friend,Non erb Smoking,meateating,non religious fan (very respectful of your opinions though)

  8. avatar
    damien | 18 June 2007 at 4:08 am #

    Eat the meat, don’t eat the meat.

    Take the drugs, don’t take the drugs.

    Drink booze, don’t drink the booze.

    Smoke the cigs, don’t smoke the cigs.

    And so on……..

    Each of us has to make our own decisions about how we live our lives. If Steve wants to share his views on an issue that he is clearly passionate about then that’s his prerogative.

    I think I’ve said this before, but anyone who gets personally offended by some white words on a black screen really need to get over themself.

    So our hero is a miltant vegan! Good for him. If you’re not, don’t take it as a threat to your own identity, just think about why SK feels as strongly as he does on this issue and at least respect him for his compassion and commitment.

  9. avatar
    Melquiades | 18 June 2007 at 4:10 am #

    blah, blah, blah.

  10. avatar
    sharka | 18 June 2007 at 4:13 am #

    Kilbey bounces back…

    from beyond the grave!

  11. avatar
    tristan | 18 June 2007 at 4:14 am #


    Do you still love me ?

    I think I need reassurance.


  12. avatar
    boggy | 18 June 2007 at 4:16 am #

    Has this become a dating site?

  13. avatar
    & & & | 18 June 2007 at 4:25 am #

    coming back
    to sting you
    on your


  14. avatar
    kat | 18 June 2007 at 4:30 am #


    i’m a hunter of jazz. that’s it. careful where ya swingin, killa


  15. avatar
    cita | 18 June 2007 at 4:35 am #

    I really loved the way you described your family as all the characters in Alice in Wonderland. It would make wonderful series of family portraits. Perfect image of you as the mutating caterpillar. You depicted the scene beautifully with words. Seeing it in your drawings would be something.

  16. avatar
    cita | 18 June 2007 at 4:35 am #

    I really loved the way you described your family as all the characters in Alice in Wonderland. It would make wonderful series of family portraits. Perfect image of you as the mutating caterpillar. You depicted the scene beautifully with words. Seeing it in your drawings would be something.

  17. avatar
    the dean | 18 June 2007 at 4:41 am #

    Bhutan has a laws that prohibits hunting and fishing.
    They also have a Gross National Happiness Index.

  18. avatar
    dean9000 | 18 June 2007 at 4:50 am #

    damien couldn’t have said it better…sk’s strong words come from strong convictions…we may not see eye to eye on all things muse…but we still care about the time being (at least I do!)….Your kind of like one of my brother’s so you won’t frighten me off with yer harsh dialogue….I respect your opinion and you have certainly given me food for thought…heh heh..

    Here’s hoping for calmer waters this week. peace to you sk…


  19. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 5:01 am #

    boggy…..i am feeling “lonely” and kinda “ticklish”….send me your photo,BIG BOY!…….cyberwench x

  20. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 5:03 am #

    Tell me about the Beside Yourself sessions sk..or was that just stuff that didn’t make it onto FY …..need that story!!



  21. avatar
    Ex pope jesus, | 18 June 2007 at 5:08 am #

    Do whatever I can.

  22. avatar
    sharka | 18 June 2007 at 5:10 am #

    See ya in Bhutan!

  23. avatar
    logiclust | 18 June 2007 at 5:32 am #

    melancholy hmmmm…
    i really don’t understand what gets triggered and causes some people to lash out against those who say ‘don’t eat meat.’ what is it a defense for? What emotional chord is struck that is too tough to sit with?
    let’s give it a shot:
    i day “don’t eat meat, cheese, the lot”
    now, instead of landblasting me, think for 90 seconds…. where do you go? now do it again… now where are you….

  24. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 5:45 am #

    houdini was a magician…you are far more than that…i trick of the light..not from where i levitate,anyway… love ,the genius IQ and dancers calves society xxx

  25. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 5:45 am #

    houdini was a magician…you are far more than that…i trick of the light..not from where i levitate,anyway… love ,the genius IQ and dancers calves society xxx

  26. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 6:10 am #

    Lucky im only online during the week…
    Why do the meat blogs attract the most comments – weird.
    Its about the man & the music – not the fucking meat.

    Dutch Pierre

  27. avatar
    Thelonious | 18 June 2007 at 6:32 am #


  28. avatar
    Kilbey Story | 18 June 2007 at 7:33 am #

    Click my name!

  29. avatar
    fantasticandy | 18 June 2007 at 7:36 am #

    i feel like i just spent 24 hours in a foxhole with shells whizzing over my head!

    p.s. it all got a bit trite after a while didn’t it?
    nice ‘comeback’ though steve!
    your sense of humor and good grace are a real tonic at times.

  30. avatar
    fantasticandy | 18 June 2007 at 7:42 am #

    brian……that is soooo cool!
    you clever boy.
    long live the scottish space-rock movement!
    all click on ‘kilbey story’ link above this instant.
    more luv,
    andy L.

  31. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 8:03 am #

    ah Trissy! etwas Versicherung
    eine was für gute Idee
    dein Platz oder Grube?
    Küsse Issy

  32. avatar
    SweatyWheels | 18 June 2007 at 8:40 am #

    I must say I do quite enjoy being a fiendss

  33. avatar
    verdelay | 18 June 2007 at 9:48 am #

    I read an interesting article once, back in the Hades Public Library, about ‘the role of adaptive grandiosity in the creative process’.

    I was reminded of this today, as the ravens worried at my flesh and my devoted followers hung ten in a flood wash of their own tears.

  34. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 9:49 am #

    Hey Brian,

    U r pretty funny 4 a guy with a small dick and bad breath.

  35. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 9:51 am #

    For a minute I thought that Kilbey Story was a genuine news item. ROFLMAO

  36. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 10:15 am #

    Wait, I don’t want to become ratatouille. Can I apologise now?

  37. avatar
    crazyNZniggynuts boiiiie! | 18 June 2007 at 10:16 am #

    set in mission bay, two guys in sumo wrestlers outfits rock on up to the
    fountain and sit on the fountain rim with fish and chips wrapped up.

    They open up the bag and the first pulls out a hot dog on a stick (normal
    one with tomato sauce)
    he adds extra sauce with his Kiwi iconic sauce btl.
    the next sumo wrestler pulls out of the fish and chip wrap a cat on a stick
    (and adds heaps of sauce).
    Then As the first sumo is chewing down his hotdog he rips of a huge fart.
    “poooweee” he says in a Japanese accent.
    The 2nd sumo replies “arrrh you KRAZYAZ” (full Jap accent)
    then 2nd sumo rips of a huge fart with a squeaky finish.
    The 1st sumo says “arrrrhh no you Krazyaz” (in Jap accent)
    this turns in to banter between who’s the crazy az one.
    which has more farting to the point where they end up in the fountain
    one of the sumo ends up losing and is upside down in the fountain water,
    but he manages to rip of a little fart that bubbles up.
    Eat meat and cats for teeee.

    This has been an arrested development.

  38. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 10:35 am #

    hubble bubble boil and trouble…feel slightly bruised and battered after the last couple of days, do we steve? don’t blame you…
    elsie is still hanging on to life with every fibre of her being…many thanks for the kind words, people from yesterday’s blog…you guys are as much of an affirmation of life as my daughter’s joy in existing and elsie’s refusal to give in to death…
    go out and enjoy life, everyone…
    love always-
    The Hellbound Heart

  39. avatar
    woolfie. | 18 June 2007 at 10:45 am #

    Love the freedom of the free-flow. Too true, it’s about time I do whatever I can. done.woolfie.

  40. avatar
    Ansible Jon | 18 June 2007 at 11:32 am #

    by not what we are
    but what we do we shall be remembered.

  41. avatar
    restaurant mark | 18 June 2007 at 12:29 pm #

    good one…

    take care

  42. avatar
    lily was here | 18 June 2007 at 12:37 pm #

    Drama queen

    ps Best wishes to you HH

  43. avatar
    crucified in spacce | 18 June 2007 at 12:44 pm #

    the poet assassinated.

  44. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 1:07 pm #

    The Crowd Invisible?

  45. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 1:10 pm #

    Here’s one:
    last night, the chorus of Under The Milky Way was the soundtrack to some crap sketch on a Channel 4 tv programme called Trigger Happy TV featuring some fat fuck called Dom Joly.
    Hope you get royalties for this sort of thing, Killa!

  46. avatar
    davy jones | 18 June 2007 at 1:11 pm #

    After three days the awful storm abated, and way, way below the surface of the placid swell, down where the giant kelp beds swayed gracefully in unison, a multitude of brightly coloured fishes darted hither and thither, gently, respectfully even, gnawing and nibbling at Kilbey’s waterlogged but still handsome corpse.

    Further down, on the dimly-dappled sea bed, two old friends, a slightly wrinkled wobbegong and a bebarnacled crab, discussed the morning’s discovery.

    “Soooooo, djar know-arr whoo-ar this-arrr poor-arr blighter is then, arrrr ?” inquired Crab in his unusual dialect.

    “Well, ah sure as hell do, Crabby,” said Wobbegong “…why, that there be Mr Keelbee of North Bondah…ah’d recognize them pair o’ calves anywhere.”

    “Spot on, arrr, Wob,” drawled Crab, “and so-arr what wouldja be thinking then-arr, about our poor Mr Kilbee-arr ?”

    “Weeeell, Crabby…now ah guess ah be a-thinkin’ that…” and Wobbegong paused momentarily to look up at the feeble fingers of sunlight so very far away “ah be thinkin’ that…well…it’s…it’s what he wouldda wanted !”

    “Aye, aye – you’re not wrong there-rrr. It’s-arrr what ‘e wouldda wanted-rr” Crabby announced in his distinctive last-word tone.

    And from depths above them, the inky shadow of a passing manta-ray cloaked the scene temporarily in darkness, obscuring all the little fishes and bringing a deep marine peace to all things.

    But higher above still…back on solid ground, back in the world of air and men, the frenetic pace of waste and haste continued. The selling, the buying, the shouting, the fighting, the working, the earning, the spending…all, all of it unchanged. And most of all, ever and ever, greater and greater, could be heard the sound of typing – of people typing, typing on computer keyboards in bedrooms and cafes and internet bars – dreaming, fretting, scheming, blogging, flaming…just trying to connect…to be noticed…to feel real…to feel that they belonged to something, something bigger than themselves and bigger than their own fears and joys…trying so hard to connect through wires and screens and strange chatrooms and uploaded files and all the other apparatuses of a “connected” society.

    On the beach, the ocean gently licked the shore – knowing, almost watching, uncaring, calm for now… waiting.

  47. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 1:18 pm #

    See, Kilbo? They’re all still here. Keep the vitriol coming!

  48. avatar
    fantasticandy | 18 June 2007 at 1:22 pm #

    davy jones,
    that was stunning!
    what a talented alter-ego you have.

  49. avatar
    leesa | 18 June 2007 at 1:33 pm #

    well id nibble at him 🙂

  50. avatar
    veleska1970 | 18 June 2007 at 1:34 pm #

    wow~~i get a hundred miles away from my computer on the weekend, come back on monday, and look at what i’ve missed. i just skimmed through the comments from the past few days, and since i saw the mess was getting out of hand just as in times previous, i decided not to get involved. it doesn’t seem to matter if anyone is for or against the subject being discussed, because they will get torn apart by the opposing party. i’m not here to argue with anyone or try to assert my opinions.

    as andyL said: “i feel like i just spent 24 hours in a foxhole with shells whizzing over my head!”
    yeah, i have felt like that, too, in times past~~that i should turn over my desk and use it as a blast shield.

    “is this love in action?”
    good question, steve.

    i will comment on the “alice in wonderland” bit~~that was cute. and that would make a good painting, as someone suggested.

    i understand that australia doesn’t have a father’s day? well, pooey. everday should be father’s day. 🙂

    lotza love…..

  51. avatar
    veleska1970 | 18 June 2007 at 1:36 pm #

    to HH~~sending some good vibes your way. best wishes.

  52. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 1:37 pm #

    Veleska, Oz fathers days in September.

  53. avatar
    John Garratt | 18 June 2007 at 2:07 pm #

    Shit, now you’ve all done it. I’m supposed to be reading a manual for a computer program here at work. Instead I want to peruse all of the Time Being comments.

    John Garratt

  54. avatar
    JJ | 18 June 2007 at 2:14 pm #

    Wake up baby, the mob are on their way…howling, growling, they want your blood, they’re out to get it today.

    Thought I saw flickering torches going up the hill to Bondi this weekend, must have been the storm.

  55. avatar
    malcolm arkey | 18 June 2007 at 2:21 pm #

    Mr Garratt,

    You just reminded me of one of Mr Waters’ songs:
    He said “Mama Mama
    The President’s a fool,
    Why do I have to keep reading
    These technical manuals ?”
    And the joint chiefs-of-staff
    And the brokers on Wall Street said
    “Don’t make us laugh
    You’re smart kid
    Time is linear
    Memory’s a stranger
    History’s for fools
    Man is a tool in the hands
    Of the great God Almighty.”
    And they gave him command
    Of a nuclear submarine
    And sent him back in search of
    The Garden of Eden.

  56. avatar
    CSTCoach | 18 June 2007 at 2:25 pm #

    “and many of them now dress in scruffy clothes to honour him
    and smoke the sacred erb
    tucking into nut cutlets
    wearing wispy hair wigs
    and false white beards
    they call him the saint who was no saint”
    That was hilarious, because true. Reminded me of the life of brian. “Beard, madam?”

    “not to breed beasts in fear factory”
    Completely agree. Survive as best you can (as they’re doing in mongolia and all these other places), but surely factory farming and fast food has nothing to do with survival.
    The book Fast Food Nation is certainly food for thought.

    Today’s blog reads as though this were a time of re-evaluation. Of turmoils weathered. Perhaps an apt time for 40 days and nights in the desert?…


  57. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 18 June 2007 at 3:16 pm #

    As Steve knows humans are plunging into cannibalism. It is not only cows, pigs, lambs, chickens and turkeys that are being monstrously abusesd, maimed and tortured to death. People are eating whale meat in Japan. Cats and dogs are consumed in Korea. In the Congo, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans are being massacred by bush-meat profiteers who sell their flesh for people to eat. The latter primates are our closest living animal relatives. The Judeo-Christian Biblical ideal diet is vegetarian (Genesis 1:29). It may be silly but I will cling to my Garden of Eden creed on behalf of animals’ rights and humanity’s fall from grace.

  58. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 4:24 pm #

    The blogmaster is addicted to reaction. Most of his crowd here are also addicted to reaction.
    It seems the people that talk most about how “different” they are, how creative & misunderstood they are, how “my lifestyle is better than yours-blah, blah” are just as elitist as the presidents and lawyers or meat-eaters that you seem to despise. Like energy alway’s attracts like energy. You are the opposite side of the same coin.
    Ego-based…Creating on these very pages the emotions of loathing, hatred, elitism and separatism….which are all things that ultimate foreshadow the very wars your talking about Steve.

    Got it?

  59. avatar
    kat | 18 June 2007 at 5:04 pm #

    elitist? you have to be f’ing kidding me.. never got that feeling here at all except from the negativo comments like the one above..

  60. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 5:22 pm #


    Was the comment at 2:24 AM negative? How do you come up with that?

  61. avatar
    davem | 18 June 2007 at 6:00 pm #

    I love you Time Being!

  62. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 6:17 pm #

    It has become Intangible. Less is More today. …The Witch knows deep magic, but is there a deeper magic, before her Time?? I thought maybe it was all caught up in a dualistic whirl….maybe the mercury is all we got to fall back on…Highest Mercy and Love…is it still real??? Cures the worst kinda pride and sloth…..Dee in Tx ~*~ AH HUM OM…Hey Noble One, How’s it goin?

  63. avatar
    kat | 18 June 2007 at 7:07 pm #

    anon @ 2:24/3:22, i guess i’m thinking about the comment on lifestyles… to be creative i think it does involve some confidence, not necessarily ego.. and i look at being a vegan a very smart choice by SK. i don’t think of him as elitist because of his strong beliefs. the doors are falling off for me, i need help regarding diet and bad habits in general.. but fact is, my dad died of colon cancer, so it really hits home. that’s about it.

  64. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 7:20 pm #

    Steve Kilbey Threatens To Cook Carnivore Fans

    Written by Mr Altres
    Story written: 17 June 2007
    Email this story Print this story

    Mr Kilbey: Exceedingly Good Pies International space rocker, artist, poet and vegan activist, Steve Kilbey of the Church fame (Under the Milky Way), has vowed to cook anyone of his minions of fans who dares to eat meat.

    Kilbey, currently experiencing a huge surge in popularity with his Blog has been concerned at the omnivorous nature of those who claim to worship him. Steve has decided to take positive action and has been experimenting with various recipes for utilising the blood thirsty followers.

    The Fan Flan
    Anonymous Ratatouille
    Aficionado Pâté
    Sycophant Lasagne
    Devotee Sauté
    Although Mr Kilbey has mild concerns about loosing some of his fan base, the wider rewards for the rest of mankind could be huge. “It may even solve the problems of famine and starvation in Africa”, he never said.

  65. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 7:38 pm #

    backin you up here “cat”…….Elitism……if that is what you wish to call it… a passion for an ideal………..I tell ya….if thats the word you want use………I would prefer to be “elitist” than “defeatist”…because “defeatist “breeds apathy and mediocrity ,hence suffering………”ego is a necessary survival skill for all life Any “Overlord” willattempt to crush the EGO of the wishes to subduewe are all blessed with ego..and that is a fact …….genx xxxxx

  66. avatar
    gareth,notts | 18 June 2007 at 8:34 pm #

    well…essential reading or what?been away a few days,looking forward to catching up here and….its got everything!this needs a wider audience!i’m at the same stage and way of thinking as Frank,at the mo,when it comes to being (almost) veggie,these debates help me get a little extra willpower,not to mention being highly entertaining! on a seperate matter Steve,have you ever seen the english band MUSE live?The Church are my all-time no.1,but i’ve been fans of this band for 8 years and i’ve spent saturday n sunday watching them headline 2 shows at Wembley Stadium,it was jaw-dropping!for years these have been better than the big bands,U2,R.E.M.,Red Hot Chilis(of which i’m also fans)but now they proved it in style,if you haven’t already,check out some of their live stuff,powerful indeed!!!

  67. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 8:36 pm #

    Hello there!
    Umm.. its about… consciousness..
    It is an emotional place to be.. this contemplation for most..
    its very much a real religion when it comes down to how you choose to respect life..
    many of us had no choice
    I had the grandfather that would skin a calf right out back with my grandmother eventually pulling the head right out of the oven.. people are taught that they need to do this to survive..
    Men also feel like they just got done hunting all day when they bring home the steaks..
    It really is hard for people to consider change and its fair to respect space..
    But on the other hand it is definitely frustrating for us that have abandoned that way of life and strive for holistic living and the lessening of destructive and suffering in the world.. Who has the right? Well we all have a say and it comes down to participation..
    I believe its out of love that people like sk say what they say,
    its also necessary for people to consider their lifestyles..
    people that have gone through the transformation are, like I am, very proud and healthier for making the conscious choice.. but there is a feeling of disillusionment in the sense that no matter what you do and tell people they will get defensive to the point that they wont even process it for themselves and the whole situation gets dealt with aggression, most of the time vegetarians have to resort to shocking people into the realities of the meat world..
    I feel it creates an unfriendly exchange but Man it really is so much better to have control over your health, to be creative in the kitchen and make interesting foods without the typical approach, I feel most fortunate to have peers that are inventive and creative in the culinary arts..
    This is the next phase in evolution for us yall its true, I believe in it.. its not that hard..
    yu feel better.. its magical.. it takes a little help and adjustment.. Im gonna write a book someday soon…

    I know this topic has left many bruised but I always have a real admiration to Sk for fighting the real fight for humanity..
    Like he needs to say shit to anyone about this..

    I know sk talks tough when he tells you all to blow off

    but for my part I would invite anyone that would like to ease their way into a meatless universe to, at their own discretion Contact with me.. ( I can immediately offer some cool down home recipes.. that you wont feel a thing.. it only takes a new approach and a little investment but it becomes a momentum that is very noticeable, and it can be done with small steps..
    I believe in it, we are all the same.. lets do it better..

    jaime r….

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    fantasticandy | 18 June 2007 at 8:46 pm #

    everyones still very excited aren’t they?
    think, if all this energy could be harnessed and directed…wow!
    i’m sending all mine to HH right now.
    it’s worth a shot, what else can you do but try?
    andy L.

  69. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 9:10 pm #

    ALL suffering comes from the ego- based thought of the human mind. I’m sure Steve’s read some Zen stuff, right?
    Yoga & vegetarianism means nothing unless it’s WORKING. In other words, there is NO need to judge another when you are centered yourself. Do Steve’s comment’s seem like they come from a centered person?
    My last comment here…

  70. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 9:37 pm #

    centred people are evolved enough or wiseenough to read doctrines and hopefully,not too many “self help”books…..and put them into realistic action….as opposed to the “psuedo age .”.university talk” that is as unfruitful as blowing “raspberries”at an atom bomb genx

  71. avatar
    CSTCoach | 18 June 2007 at 9:43 pm #


    Just noticed your comments. Hope all goes well for you and yours! Take care.


  72. avatar
    relic | 18 June 2007 at 9:55 pm #

    andyL,great last comment!
    Steve K you are loved and admired and the meat-eaters (god, I hate that us and them thing) respect you for your determination to follow your own path, dont you forget that. I just want to say to everyone else to believe in yourself and not take offense. If you believe in yourself then it doesnt matter at all what anyone says.

  73. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 9:59 pm #

    a post script for my 7.34 comment…….xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxgenx

  74. avatar
    steve kilbey | 18 June 2007 at 10:00 pm #

    love in action baby
    thats what it is
    love in action
    the fucking cows n lambs
    dont care about if yer centred man
    they jus’ dont wanna be eaten
    right reason
    wrong reason
    its all the same to them
    so the people who aint got the ooomph
    the nerve
    the will
    the love
    they run around and abuse the ones
    that have
    or say
    hold on we need a discussion
    no knucklehead
    we need people to not eat meat
    go n have yer centred discussion elsewhere
    im a veg fanatic
    im militant
    and i’ll use anything bar violence
    to make you stop
    with the dead stuff
    if you dont like it

  75. avatar
    Symon | 18 June 2007 at 10:49 pm #

    I know that I try to do whatever I can more than at any other time in the past…maybe my best isn’t good enough, but I know that I can’t be the same as I used to be for the sake of myself and others.

  76. avatar
    Leelinau | 18 June 2007 at 11:28 pm #

    aloha mr esskay

    can’t stay long
    I quit reading the comments
    the brutes
    send too much crap.
    connections will be sketchy
    ..for a bit

    ♥ always

  77. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 June 2007 at 11:38 pm #

    and i hate to ask…but are friends electric?

  78. avatar
    J Street | 18 June 2007 at 11:59 pm #

    To each their own.

    When you can get through the day living behind that statement, you’ll do alright.

    Anyone playing this for/against false bullshit semantic game about veg or meat, whatever. One does not change their mind based on what is placed on a blog thread…

  79. avatar
    daniel12 | 19 June 2007 at 12:52 am #

    Hey J Street.9.59

    If you trawl back through the archives you’ll find some people actually HAVE changed there minds. Whether you want to attribute this to TTB or the sound rational of vegetarianism is up to you.
    I’ve pondered some tricksy questions during this debate but i find it near impossible to rationise any defence of the meat industry (or those who support it,ie meat eaters) . Na the homeless don’t count, they don’t really have much choice. The meat industry don’t exist on there patronage anyway. Don’t say ya need the protien,iron, energy or wahever because it’s poperganda bullshit. I’ve done the most hardcore truck packing physical work for years on a vegetarian diet. Whats more i’ve had more energy to do it than burger boys half my age. It’s a moral question dude. Go visit a slaughterhouse before ya say each to there own.

    I’m over this can we move on. ?

  80. avatar
    Anonymous | 19 June 2007 at 12:53 am #

    Muse rocks, big time Gareth…..


  81. avatar
    j street | 20 June 2007 at 1:21 pm #


    I believe I was saying, yeah, let’s move on.

    Killer has it right–I don’t have any argument here. I am one of the first to say that you come here for the musings and they help influence choices because the Killer has done some living.

    Moving on…

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