posted on March 9, 2009 at 9:07 pm

is there anything
worse than sleeplessness?
nothing i have ever encountered
a dear friend of mine is almost unable to sleep
despite leading an exemplary life…
when she tells me of her insomnia
my heart truly aches
and i truly sympathise
because sleep is the most delicious gift
and insomnia is the most terrible curse
after getting off a tar heroin jag
the one that saw me in exodus l.a. rehab
and led to my encounter with my sweet lord
who hastened to me
when i screamed in the total agony of sleeplessness
i got out
and i went to sweden
where i visited elli n minna then 3 or 4
i could not sleep for 3 weeks not a wink
i was hallucinating
hearing voices
and falling into the foulest pit of angry despair
i tried everything other than sleeping pills / or drugs
at night i writhed in the grip of being alone with ….me
after all day long with ourselves
we neeed to escape
we neeed to detach
we neeed to switch off
oh blessed sleep
oh divine sleep
i would not wish sleeplessness on my worst enemy
if youre sleeping well
get down on your knees and thank your god
you others
heres some advice
dont pursue sleep
dont try n wrestle sleep outta the air
dont get desperate as night falls scaring sleep away
a warm bath with mineral salts
warm cup of soy or rice or oatmilk with black strap molasses
eat peanut butter and/or bananas
read a gentle n lovely book (say kahil gibran…or something)
exercise well all day but not to become over tired
swimming works a treat to get you all nicely sleepy
fresh air but dont have a stuffy or chilly room
i believe yoga before bed is very relaxing…just the easy poses if you like
throw yer legs up the wall…that helps you sleep
relax your jaw n scalp
let the gentlest thoughts come into yer head
try n visualize something nice
like something you did as a kid
or a time when you were sleeping well in some cozy corner
consciously relax from your toes on up
stopping at each muscle to invidually make sure its relaxed
one FALLS asleep not climbs asleep
its a kinda letting go or giving in
you cant force it
dont take sleeping pills
unless for extraordinary reasons….
valerian can work
herbal teas are good
avoid energy drinks or coffee after about 2 in the afternoon
a decent orgasm can get ya to sleep …even an indecent one i guess
dont watch loud violent or noisy tv shows before bed
pray to god to send you some sleep
i hope you find some sweet sweeet sleeeeeep
please share tips or insomniac experiences on comments
viva la sleep!

169 Responses to “sleeplessness”

  1. avatar
    veleska1970 | 9 March 2009 at 9:47 pm #

    i’m so busy right now that i get very little sleep during the week and then by the weekend i’m comatose for 14+ hours straight!!

    i definitely would advise not drinking any coffee or soda beverages after about 2 or 3pm, and then try to clear your head as much as you can. i find that when i lie there and dwell on everything going on in my life, it keeps me awake.

    lotza love…..

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    persephone2u | 9 March 2009 at 9:55 pm #

    The nectar of hydrocodone should do the trick! Can’t fail to induce sleep. Just make sure you’re alone as people tend to get annoyed if you nod out while they’re talking to you.

  3. avatar
    seoigh | 9 March 2009 at 10:07 pm #

    been an insomniac all my life

    it’s my least favorite part of myself

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    princey | 9 March 2009 at 10:14 pm #

    I’ve had shocker sleepless nights the past few nights, thanks for the tips sk ๐Ÿ™‚

    I’m also indulging in all the new Church cd’s, Untitled #23 is THE best album of alltime, what an amazing album. You guys are genius musicians and it’s your best singing ever on a Church album sk, sounding different on every song with so much energy and feeling, it’s a beautiful, magical experience listening to this ๐Ÿ™‚

    Actually now that I think of it, listening to the Church’s new ablum on headphones fullblast over and over before bedtime aint wise, the adrenalin rush is just too much!!!!

    Thanks for the music sk and the church, pleeeez come back and do one more gig in Melby before jetting off to the U.S….I beg u!!!!!! ๐Ÿ™‚
    love Amanda

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    Athanasius Pernath | 9 March 2009 at 10:54 pm #

    my father is an insomniac for the last 20 years, he also suffers from bad bad tinnitus, garnished with depression, which must be an especially lovely combination. i have no fucking idea how he can nevertheless be the great dad he is. all he gets is a bloody farce of the concept “sleep”. every day, he has to make the choice between “awareness” and “sleep”.

    i went with him to a sleep lab someday, and i had the opportunity to ask some holes into the wise doc*s belly, like, “why don’t we have to sleep anyway, and don’t try to give me the ‘we have to rest’ or ‘the brain has to get it right’ thing, i wanna know the real reason.” – he turned back to me and asked – “well, you better ask why we have to get up every morning“. the less fear an animal has to have, the more sleep – lion: sleeps all day long, if getting the munchies, he plucks an antilope. antilope: has to be scared of antilope cruelty supporting lion, and can only sleep for some minutes now and then.

    i am grateful for my almost death-like sleep, and seeing my dear dad, i know what it means not to get some.

    as you mention gibran – every minute i feel anger about my child, i repeat his lines, They come through you but not from you,
    And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

    You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
    For they have their own thoughts.
    You may house their bodies but not their souls,
    For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
    which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
    You may strive to be like them,
    but seek not to make them like you.
    For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

    You are the bows from which your children
    as living arrows are sent forth.
    The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite,
    and He bends you with His might
    that His arrows may go swift and far.
    Let our bending in the archer’s hand be for gladness;
    For even as He loves the arrow that flies,
    so He loves also the bow that is stable.

    i had to give this to a girl today, who is encarcered by her parents most of the time, sometimes allowed to visit our school. her parents play a huge mean guilt trip thingy on her, and this helped her to understand what’s going wrong. she*ll leave home soon, i hope.

    blather blather blather. sorry.

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    heyday2day | 9 March 2009 at 10:59 pm #

    i went thru a few months in my life where sleep was very hard to find and then maintain. ex was cheating on me, my kids futures, financial problems, etc, etc. i couldn’t turn my mind off for any length of time. i kept beating myself, if you know what i mean. when i could find sleep, i’d wake up quickly with the same thoughts that had been running around. i couldn’t stop or keep any control of my thoughts. once you reach a certain point it becomes even worse. i have never had a nervous breakdown but i imagine it feels close to the same. thinking of sleep and working to get sleep only seemed to make it worse. you kind of become addled, confused, every emotion bubbling right under the surface ready to let go. it was so completely frustrating and exhausting. i tried many of the things that you suggest but found little success with any of them. hot baths with oils and salts, candlelit room with soothing music on, long walks with my headphones, reading books if i could focus on the words, a glass of scotch and i tried tylenol pm too. in the end, time was the only remedy for me. i can’t imagine having insomnia. i feel for those that suffer it for long periods of time. i can only imagine the frustration. it’s one of the most helpless feelings an adult can experience.


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    Affanayzhes Purnaff | 9 March 2009 at 11:00 pm #

    oh and *if* there should be a sleepless night – hot shower, remember lovely hours from childhood when you knew just about everything you did was right, one (not two, not three) small beers, and get some music without repetitions. best thing you can grab is Budd n' Cocktoe Twins, The Moon & The Melodies or Eno's Neroli. I guarantee you a great noseful of somnic fun. if that doesn't help, the man's right about the orgasm. just disconnects all that nerval lines.

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    restaurant mark | 9 March 2009 at 11:07 pm #

    hello all…
    i feel for anyone having trouble sleeping. my very pregnant wife has been having trouble lately…she just tosses and turns she says. i normally don’t notice because i’m lucky enough to be a very deep sleeper…always have been.
    i just read yesterdays blog as well…so glad the shows are going well steve…look forward to seeing ya and hopefully hanging out a bit again. i certainly hope the band’s lease gets an extension! such great music you guys make…really takes me places…
    appreciate you…
    take care

  9. avatar
    linjo | 9 March 2009 at 11:41 pm #

    Hi Steve.
    Havnt had a ciggy or drink for 5 weeks now and urgh yeah its torturous (?) initially trying to sleep when giving up an addiction. I usually hit the coffee hard as compensation for my lost ‘friends’which of course only exacerbates the problem. After a few days off coffee I feel so relaxed about everything. I think strong coffee can really fuck with your emotions and coping mechanisms, not to mention being bad for the complexion. Now before I go to sleep have 2 chamomile bags soaking in boiling water for ten minutes with a nice slug of honey, Nice and strong, it knocks me out for the night. Happy day to all, Linda.

  10. avatar
    melissa | 10 March 2009 at 12:02 am #

    Linjo, I am now almost 7 months ciggy-free THANK GOD, it has made such a huge difference in my life, especially on the stress levels .. I’m so much more relaxed in general and lots more energy too. Keep goin’ and good luck ๐Ÿ˜€ !

    SK, so strange, I was only just thinking that sleeping is possibly my favourite pastime in life ๐Ÿ˜‰ There really is something truly delicious about it ๐Ÿ™‚ The only time I’ve ever had problems is when I was struggling with severe panic attacks last year .. sadly, I got to a point where I was actually frightened of going to sleep ๐Ÿ™ I really, really empathise with people who struggle with insomnia .. it really can be quite a complex thing to overcome.

    Your tips make me feel sleepy just reading about them! I also suggest listening to a meditation tape/cd and sprinkling lavender oil on pillows too … anything’s worth a try anyway. I think we are all just way too stressed out and wound up in general ๐Ÿ™

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    knot | 10 March 2009 at 12:05 am #

    I am partially nocturnal & just manage. No advice, just a love of Poe.

    O God! can I not save
    One from the pitiless wave?
    Is all that we see or seem
    But a dream within a dream?

    From "A Dream Within A Dream"

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    don joe | 10 March 2009 at 12:10 am #

    *stifles yawn*
    A good long walk then some melatonin with a calcium/magnesium/apple cider drink then a hot bath would help the peeps withdrawing of gear etc where I worked immensely. They didn’t sleep the whole night, but those 4 or so hours meant so much that the next day was a lot easier to bear. I wouldn’t wish imsomnia or gear withdraw on my worst enemy. Just 24/7 Hanna Montana played at 11 ๐Ÿ˜€
    I think with all suggestions combined, your friend will get sleep.

    don joe

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    jax | 10 March 2009 at 12:12 am #

    go to nature, a nice hike or run for sure especially the meditative breathing helps. Try to stay away from reclining until you want to retire for the evening.

  14. avatar
    linjo | 10 March 2009 at 12:18 am #

    Thanks Melissa, its sweet relief to be entering another phase in life. Linda

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    PAGEY | 10 March 2009 at 12:38 am #

    I’m sitting here with my friend Koi Pham, my thai friend, he was a meth addict from around 2001-2007. By no means did he ever imagine where that first toke of the glass pipe would lead him in terms of experiencing uninterrupted periods of wakefullness.
    He says about 2 – 3 times per month (on a good month) he would have a bag of meth, usually $40 bags sometimes $50 or $60. The shortest trip was probably 2 nights sleep missed but mostly and way more often they were 4 or 5 days (nights + days of course) without a wink of sleep. After everything was used. Man he says he could never stop reefin the jib until the moon and the sea were a certain way or until the jewel bag was empty. This experience of insomnia, although drug induced was, as Koi says, “time warping?” and very special. To be awake, at guard over life on earth as everyone goes awake, then sleep, then awake and you are totally awake through their cycles, through all time zones, is indeed a very special place.

    Mr Pham says though, he tried to stop ever since his first toke, he knew it was going to be the hardest thing to do, eventually he heard “Block” and was in a state so lost, he had tried Hinduism, Buddhism, psychology, 12 steps, nothing worked. But “Block” was a sign, he had had revelations that lasted hours on the gib, after 3 nights awake. I don’t mean anything but something…Koi found the net one night and spend 7 hours in a row reading at
    and never looked back. He says it is over 2 years 2 months since he quit drugs. He still enjoys a little liquor today and blesses the faith he found to lose what he calls, the worse addiction he ever knew or imagined.
    To get to sleep, some nights he just knows he is going to have to miss a night of sleep, it happens to the best of us. He sometimes rocks himself to sleep and that works. He never eats anything after 8:30PM and takes Cal/Mag at 9PM. Also usually a small handful of walnuts at 9PM as well. He says that because of his past experience with wakefulness, if he is at any doubt late at night worried he can’t sleep, he just gets up and put on CNN at 6AM (3AM pacific and hopes for some frozen snow falling on Beemers stories, or a good share the wealth plan. Sometimes goes out for a midnight walk. He knows that it is useless to sleep in the daytime. But he shows no signs or images that his faith is alive at every moment. He thinks that the way he gets to sleep is the way everyone should. With the lords prayer, from the heart, and anything additional to add. And to tuck your mind into your inner God particle that swallows your thinking into a deep sleep. A cat at the foot of the bed would be food for Koi, so he has a rooster that remains quiet until dawn. If you can. Get to bed 2 hours after sundown, take a little melatonin every Sunday night. Good night and God Bless…sleeping pills work well but are a dirty drug and cloud the mind. Try to avoid…take care of all problems as soon as they arise so your thoughts are peaceful at the end of every day. MMMMMmm.
    Koi says thanks also to your music which i meticulously got him hooked on in 1999. May you finally put out a love songs album. Damn Koi, he never will i tell him.


  16. avatar
    Lian | 10 March 2009 at 12:54 am #

    Melissa, ๐Ÿ˜‰

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    Brien Comerford | 10 March 2009 at 12:55 am #

    Before I discovered this blog I was nothing but a “Bastard From A Basket.”

    My sleep is horrible. It’s dominated by nightmares usually of me being framed and arrested, losing my job or being cheated on by a girlfriend I don’t even have.
    Onanism does induce sleep and it releases bodily and mental stress. Freud said so !

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    PAGEY | 10 March 2009 at 1:10 am #

    oh, Koi wants to add, after being awake for over 5 nights, and there is no accelerators left, the brain needs sleep so bad that the closing of the eyes and the sleep that so quickly comes is the most blissful thing one could ever imagine…

    but he does not recommend ever taking a street drug. But people will do if they are so inclined.

    Pure S.A.T.A.N.
    (S)smoke or snort or shoot, sex sugar sweet sins, sinful mind, (A)gainst (T)aking (A) (N)ap!!!!

    Sleep rules, look forward to it and keep it at a regular time he says. Gotta like Koi Pham, my Thai friend.

    His mother makes great Green Curry, gotta like the lemongrass.

  19. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 1:19 am #

    To sleep, perchance to dream…it’s so damn hard for so many of us. I found the hydrocodone comment interesting- I have taken it recently for post dental surgery pain and the stuff keeps me awake! Wired, in fact. Go figure.

    What has helped me a fair bit is to not get on the computer, watch the tv, or anything electronic in the last couple hours before bed. It does something to my mental wiring…keeps me too stimulated and awake. I also read once somewhere that if you can consciously relax your mouth and especially the tongue, you can induce serious relaxation. Sounds weird, but works. Qi Gong and light Tai Chi movements help, too. Just keep it slow.

    I took care of my Dad in his last elderly years at home with us and since we lost him, insomnia has been a constanct unwelcome companion. I am learning what works for me and I certainly have read what works for others and will give these ideas a try.

    sk, glad you understand! So many people say, ‘just relax’! yeah…it is just that simple. If it were, we’d all be sleeping.

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    PAGEY | 10 March 2009 at 1:33 am #

    Kai Pham has more to say, he had to get some teeth pulled a year after he escaped the addiction because the dry mouth from the meth caused the teeth to crack and die, he lost about 3 teeth only but had some hydrocodone as well for the pain. That could be a bloody addicting drug if you had a steady supply. why sleep when on that?

    But Koi, Koi, i told him his acronym for Satan was all wrong, it should be.

    All or,

    yeah, Stacked against the all or Nothing….that’s my interpretation of it….don’t get all weird on us madmen…

    Kai also adds he loves the new stuff but wants UNTITLED #23, now on EBAY!!!!!!

  21. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 1:48 am #

    Sleeplessness is cancelled out only by the pain and anguish of a broken heart. No amount of milk and honey, no amount of good, bad or indifferent orgasms, hot baths, cold showers can heal this agony.

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 2:13 am #

    Oh, I so envy people who fall asleep when their head hits the pillow and those who can sleep on planes and anything that’s moving.
    Valerian and any other herbal potion have never worked for me. The only thing that sometimes does is a strong anti-histamine.
    There is nothing like that lovely feeling after a good night’s sleep, waking up and having a nice slow stretch
    Maybe tonite.
    Thanks for the handy hints sk, will give them a try.

    Lady Di

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    the dean | 10 March 2009 at 2:16 am #

    You’re not much of a sleeper yourself, blogging away in the early morn while the rest of us are blearily grumbling over our weeties.

    I heard an interview with Harry Missel(remember him,he of the large blue science book) He sleeps 2 hours a days. Says he has lived 2or 3 lives.

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    Freddie | 10 March 2009 at 2:23 am #

    Sir Steven,
    Thanks for the suggestions!
    Iโ€™ve had some success with herbal tea with valerian.
    It lulls me into about a three hour snooze.

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 4:44 am #

    insomnia is an absolute nightmare…no pun intended…ive suffered from it for a few years and it got really bad two years ago…i haven’t fully recovered (last night for instance) but hey, I went for about three months sleeping between 45 minutes and two hours a night…and I just about went is scary stuff…

    my fix (when it was at its worst) was to not stay in bed but get up and do something repetitive…colouring things for instance…gradually,sleep returned over a period of 6 months.

    The way I get there now is by just blanking out and letting it happen…theres nothing worse than overthinking it…sleep is a complete miracle…noone really knows how to fix it (drugs are NOT the answer here!!) or fully understands how it works let alone artificially replicate it…

    my wife falls alseep within minutes…its a truely astounding ability I am greatly envious of…


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    stealthblue | 10 March 2009 at 5:09 am #

    Interesting comments these past few days from certain people…some more than others. It is saddening to see all the "abuse." I guess that's the way of the world from time to time. I know from certain "attacks" to just shake it off and be here because we are here for the right reasons. Know what I mean? Anyway, it's good to see and hear most of you. Thanks, Steve for doing what you do.

    Hey, Andy, sorry to hear about your "ailments" a while back. I had no idea. Hope you're feeling better these days, brother. You're a good egg.

    Regarding the whole sleeplessness issue, my heart goes out to anyone who cannot get get decent sleep. Along with a few other things, I too deal with lack of sleep issues. I think ever since about 10 year ago, on and off. It's like your mind cannot get out of high gear, even when your body is toast. Too much of that is a burnout waiing to happen.

    I did get a script for Ambien (original-NOT the CRs)a long time ago, but I can see how that can kick your ass if you let it, especially if you mix it with say…a few glasses of wine. After I woke up on my guitar once and didn't remember a fooking thing about how I got there, I thought it best to not get too attached to the idea of sleep meds. Whoever mentioned the Hydrocodone wiring you, I agree with that, having the same reaction to it. I have taken pain meds from time to time for back issues, post-surgery, etc.. I found that most of those narcotics do not "knock me out", but rather get me a bit wired. Strange. I know some people that after one Vicodin they are ready to hibernate and feel a little slap-happy. I guess we're all unique in our reactions to certain chemical inductions.

    If I may suggest for sleep trouble, a semi-regular supplement of Melatonin, 3mg or less 30-90 minutes before bedtime. I have found that to be quite effective, and I don't over-sleep, or wake up with headachey/groggy type feeling. Nothing a good strong cup (or several) of "Caffe" can't fix. You do need to allow for a "full" sleep of 6-8 hours though.

    Anyway, streching and breathing exercises help alleviate some of that stress along the neck and back that could help get you to sleep faster too. Then again, there's always good ol' Chamomile.
    However you all do it, I hope it works and you get some much needed sleep. Think that is what I'll aim for pretty soon too. Good night.

    With P&L,

  27. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 6:20 am #

    My review:


    Yellow incandescent moon
    Can-did and indecent from the scent of clouds
    That touch it as you go
    Gently scrubbing insistence
    An impossible shape
    Shaped in circumstance,
    The yellow moon that watches everything
    And heavily screams over the ocean
    The haunting beam of juxtaposed consciences
    Yellow inflatable moon
    Guessing the weight of sweat and scribblings
    Collecting noises from shells shallow repeating
    Delivering armistice
    Maybe not mystics that blur this long-recognised evening
    This rounded moon rising fast
    As your songs blissfully arrive
    Leaving the impression of bodies expanded
    Beyond any temperature, measurement, amazement
    The yellow moon that hangs in the multisky
    And copulates incinerated stars
    Through the painfully detailed slow motion of distance
    A shining conquest culminating
    In the violent morning of naked truthfulness
    A morning that bursts immense
    Taking our spirits to the floor in Flesh skinned from afflictioness
    The ones who never stop condition
    Even when the moon turns to pale white
    Displaying the pause of all cards given
    Since the first day
    When the lyrical foam licked
    The abscesses from neverhaving
    Today, an already denied emptiness
    Once we caress
    In the awakening of all senses.

  28. avatar
    Simone | 10 March 2009 at 7:19 am #

    I’m a keen swimmer. I find that it is good for keeping comparatively healthy. It helps to refresh me (mostly at some point during the middle of the day), but will also mean that later at night I’m looking forward to sleep.

    Music-wise I have a 2-Cd by Harold Budd/John Foxx called TransLucence/Drift Music which is a good companion for study/rest.

  29. avatar
    El dormido descuidado | 10 March 2009 at 7:48 am #

    Listening to some music from a discman always makes me fall asleep. And it’s true what you say about swimming and orgasms. It’s a pity I don’t have a swimming pool at home to experience both things at the same time and sleep like a lamb.

  30. avatar
    fantasticandy | 10 March 2009 at 7:51 am #

    just to be as perverse as ever…
    narcolepsy is the problem in our family.
    research suggests that this is caused by a lack of seratonin in the brain.
    it thus seems fair to assume that insommnia is caused by an over-abundance of this substance.
    google it folks, maybe the answer lies in our food/drink choices?

    ben…it’s been nice to have you active here again, even that quite long and painful entry the other day.(ooh-err missus!….for the benefit of slim ‘n dave.)
    daveoto too, and a host of others!
    a little bit of band activity seems to bring people out of hibernation…..

    steve..i so hope this new label and distribution deal with mgm works well for you,
    i do hope we meet again someday, even if it’s just so i get the oppertunity to say thanks and lay a bit of ‘jazz’ on yer!

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    lily was here | 10 March 2009 at 8:40 am #

    Sleep occurs so your body can repair itself, right? The more you try, the harder it is to grasp it. Its harmful not to get any. Funny how the older we get the less we seem to need it. Maybe mother nature decides ‘forget it, you are now beyond repair’ LOL
    But yeah, deprivation’s not a laughing matter, it’s torture.

    I always sleep best after physical activity. What also works (for me) is listening to the radio or an audio cd while lying down. Your mind gets caught up in the story and if you’re in a relaxed position (ie lying down) you often will drift away to sleep because you’ve distracted yourself away from any worries you’re having or whatevers on your mind. I cannot sleep if there’s absolute silence so maybe the buzzing of a radio voice will help? Helps with tinnitus too. I hate how you can fall asleep in front of the telly and then get to bed but you’re suddenly wide awake!!

    John Kilbey’s cd “Catching Some Z’s” is a good one for background music too. Good luck to the lady in question. Let us know how she goes.
    ps linjo, its real hard. D on’t give up giving up.

  32. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 9:37 am #

    Just don’t try to go to sleep until you’re tired. Works for me.

  33. avatar
    Thomas Thomsen, Denmark | 10 March 2009 at 10:39 am #

    I realize this blog is about insomnia, but…toothache is worse. Kept me sleepless for about a week recently.

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    Jasperina | 10 March 2009 at 10:40 am #

    Elusive sleep…I only sleep deep and true after doing yoga…the mind clearing stuff really helps. Wonderful blog about something so primal in all of us. I especially liked the bit about sleep being a way to escape ourselves…how true is that. The sweetness of much we deprive ourselves of sleep in this manic culture that never seems to let us switch off.

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    Thomas Thomsen, Denmark | 10 March 2009 at 10:44 am #

    Toothache is THE most excruciating pain I have ever been exposed to. The pills don’t work, and the pain extends to your ears and head, until it feels like it is going to explode.

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    Hellbound Heart | 10 March 2009 at 10:48 am #

    ….i find that i go through phases where i wake up night after night at the same time (eg 2:00am) and find it a real bastard to get back to sleep….i always find reading a few pages of a good book is a great way to relax…not unless i have to keep myself awake to find out what happens next!
    yes, thomas, toothache’s a biggie, so is having an earache or sore back…yuergh…

    princey…how’d you get your hands on untitled #23 album???

    love always….

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 11:06 am #

    Veleska1970 will you marry me…please???

  38. avatar
    Hellbound Heart | 10 March 2009 at 11:08 am #

    we wait with baited breath for your answer, veleska!!!! ;-D

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 11:09 am #

    Toothache IS worse.
    And an abcess is like toothache x 10.
    Marty had an abcess the day he flew from Sweden to London to rehearse with All About Eve for the first time.
    I dunno which I’d sooner have – an abcess or All About Eve!

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 11:11 am #

    There used to be a great cleavage shot of Veleska on her blog. She said they were all her own too. But she wouldn’t reveal more. Unlike that stripper friend of ours, Gen.x

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    Shirley Sally | 10 March 2009 at 11:17 am #

    try and keep to the same times of going to bed and getting up every day – even the weekends – your body likes a routine so if you go to bed early and get up early during the week for work keep to this routine at the weekends. Of course, you can have a late night sometimes, just don’t overdo it and get back into your usual bed and waking up times as quickly as you can – this really helps.

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    Thomas Thomsen, Denmark | 10 March 2009 at 11:21 am #

    Not to downplay insomnia, though. I guess I just don’t need that much sleep. I love the nighttime. If I cant sleep I’ll read a book, surf the internet or listen to music.

    anon, gotta admit your comment about All About Eve made me laugh. However, I do think Touched By Jesus and — especially — Ultraviolet were excellent albums.

    Veleska, ignore the anon!

  43. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 11:54 am #

    Thomas, it was Veleska herself who posted the titty shot! Made me want to move to Texas. Hoo-yah!

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    catchow | 10 March 2009 at 12:05 pm #

    sleepy time time!
    yeah,Steve,once again you’re right!
    a good sleep is a precious gift!
    thanks for your very good advices..
    personaly, i fall asleep quickly
    but wake up 5,6 hours later…and it’s hard to go back to sleep…so i ‘m trying something:inspire and
    expire and break very slowly x21
    aromatherapy ‘s got efficacy too
    and a good night for you all…

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    stinkfinger | 10 March 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    Back to sleeplessness. There’s this song called My Little Problem. I love that song. Never understood why some people thought it was about any other kind of problem.
    Thomas, did you ever hear the 1991 AAE acoustic session for the BBC? Way better than the studio versions and you got MWP playing the 2 songs that Gilmour played on the album.
    Steve, you said at the time thet MWP was being a ‘double agent’ by being in 2 bands at once. What did you really think?

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    Thomas Thomsen, Denmark | 10 March 2009 at 12:32 pm #

    Anon, I own All About Eve’s two Fairy Light Nights acoustic live cd’s — of which I especially enjoy volume 2. The 1991 AAE acoustic session I’ve never listened to.

    Better stop writing about AAE now.

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 12:34 pm #

    Hellbound, she wouldve got it at the gig.

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    Thomas Thomsen, Denmark | 10 March 2009 at 12:47 pm #

    MWP’s Nightjar has some wonderful songs on it, too. As a whole, it’s nowhere near as great as Painkiller, though.

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    CSTCoach | 10 March 2009 at 1:22 pm #

    insomnia is misery. i haven’t been able to sleep well for years. melatonin helps. it’s a substance made naturally by your body. supplementing with good quality melatonin around bedtime will help make ya drowsy and make it easier to fall asleep, but it won’t stop you from waking up during the night if that’s your pattern.

    melatonin is also useful for jetlag. i’ve found it to be very helpful in rewiring your internal clock and speeding your adjustment.

    other than that, sleep and i aren;t on the greatest of terms most of the time.

    best of luck to your friend, sk!

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    i hear a mandolin in the springs | 10 March 2009 at 1:50 pm #

    Thomas, the BBC session is infinitely better than the live acoustic cds.

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    John Garratt | 10 March 2009 at 2:02 pm #

    A band mate of mine gets insomnia. The other day I sent her a text early in the morning, since I have a baby that gets me up. She texted back because, well, she hadn’t gone to sleep yet!

    John Garratt

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 2:26 pm #

    Getting to sleep isn’t a problem for me – it’s waking up in the morning and dragging my idle ass out of bed that I have difficulty with!

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    Shawn El | 10 March 2009 at 3:14 pm #


    Regular exercise (i.e. *every* day)
    No sugary foods, including fruit or fruit juice, at night
    Not smoking (b/c that makes one edgy and increases blood pressure)

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 3:24 pm #

    Can we have more about Valeska’s titty photos?

    B. Bon

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    pennybridge | 10 March 2009 at 3:52 pm #

    You made my day, Kilbey
    Your advice do help, but you forgot this: Don’t get any kids!!

    Sometimes i switch on the Finnish radio late at night
    The voice is extremely boring and i dont understand a thing
    (soy sueca)
    Perfect to turn my mind off …

    Iยดve just about tried it all
    My next strategy:
    Convince myself that 5 hours sleep IS normal.

    Hmmm …
    Good night everyone

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 4:23 pm #

    I’ve eaten Valeska, tasted like chicken.

    Dutch Pierre

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 5:29 pm #

    I’d quite like to suck on a piece of Veleska. Couple of pieces, actually.

    Gareth, Notts

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    Anonymous | 10 March 2009 at 5:45 pm #


    I’m sorry Steve did you say something?

    Sorry, couldn’t resist.

    Tampa, Fl

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    davem | 10 March 2009 at 5:46 pm #

    I’m an old bastard SK. I nearly always sleep well from 10pm until 6am except at the weekend. Even at weekends I’m still up about 6ish.

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    ScaughtFive | 10 March 2009 at 6:43 pm #

    I needed this post. A peaceful night’s sleep has been hard to come by lately. I tried some yoga poses the other night and it seemed to do the trick. The only problem is that now I am besieged with creepy, reoccurring dreams.

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    eek | 10 March 2009 at 7:01 pm #

    For the most part I sleep well and easily, but for a few years I did have trouble with it. What I found worked best for me was music. It didn’t have to be particularly soothing — in fact for me anything that was too obviously aimed at getting me to sleep just irritated me and made me less apt to sleep — it just had to be something I liked hearing. I took a while to train myself to sleep to music, and I spent quite a few nights listening to music all night long, but pretty soon I would fall asleep during the first song or two no matter how wound up I was when I went to bed.

    I still use this method on the rare occasion I find it hard to get to sleep now. Works like a charm for me.

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    John | 10 March 2009 at 7:04 pm #

    When I was a kid my brother used to tell me to simulate rapid eye movements (side to side) while keeping them open. It works, however, this is no good if your wife is watching over you as you sleep as they will think you’ve gone completely crazy. Not good.

    So, I have a really stupid suggestion but it works for me, maybe it will for others, so here goes:

    When I can’t get to sleep, or when I wake up and can’t get back to sleep, the problem is that I want to sleep. When I don’t want to sleep I find I almost always do, so the trick to sleeping is to convince yourself that you don’t really want to sleep.

    For example, do everything you can (in bed) to keep awake. (Well, not everything!) Force yourself to keep your eyes open. Focus on one thing in the room in the dark until your eyes adjust and can make it out and focus on it. Stare at the clock and count the seconds and minutes, and celebrate each time you see a new minute appears.

    Knocks me out every time.


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    Queen Hatshepsut | 10 March 2009 at 7:32 pm #

    I’m amazed at the number of insomniacs here. Count me in. I’ve been a horrible sleeper for about the last 25 years. It’s hell on earth. I’ve tried everything. Can’t take sleeping pills. Literally, my idea of dying and going to Hell is being forced to go to sleep and never being able to get there.

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    Hellbound Heart | 10 March 2009 at 9:50 pm #

    veleska, please ignore all of those smutty comments, please forgive me if i’ve offended you in some way shape or form….
    peace and love, mate…

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    EDD | 10 March 2009 at 10:25 pm #

    You guys can send all the CD’s you’re throwing away to me…no matter what they are. I’m on a budget and I have no conscience. I wish I was one of those naturally energetic over-achievers who didn’t need sleep. Like the Einstein cat naps. 10 minutes and he was good to go; or was that a myth. Anyway that’d be great.

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    loolaabillions | 11 March 2009 at 12:47 am #

    the only way to sleep is yes
    to truly empty your mind
    its the only way….x

    oh and it it always helps to
    have your beloved curled up
    beside you in the spoon.

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    princey | 11 March 2009 at 1:52 am #

    Ok, up and at ’em Kilbey, enough sweet sleep ๐Ÿ™‚

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    captain mission | 11 March 2009 at 3:19 am #

    a station
    a train
    lost wide awaked
    find home again
    an ocean
    an isle
    turn off the lights
    and stay a while

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    Sandy | 11 March 2009 at 4:58 am #

    Insomnia seems to be going around these days. I wonder what’s up with that?

    My prob is by the time I realize I have it, its too late.

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    M.Merrill | 11 March 2009 at 5:13 am #

    get to

    before sleep
    new works
    let my
    best lines
    and go
    ongoing epics
    old ideas

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    Anonymous | 11 March 2009 at 7:31 am #

    Two words… CHOKE THE CHICKEN!! Ok that was three words but it does work.

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    fantasticandy | 11 March 2009 at 7:59 am #

    syphon the python?

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    Anonymous | 11 March 2009 at 8:19 am #

    the five knuckle shuffle?

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    Anonymous | 11 March 2009 at 9:17 am #

    burping the worm?

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    loolaabillions | 11 March 2009 at 9:41 am #

    hello sweet sleep
    come take me.

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    Hellbound Heart | 11 March 2009 at 10:43 am #

    why do you men have so many different ways of describing one thing? (ie releasing pent up frustration….burping the worm, i just about died when i read that….)

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    Kclone | 11 March 2009 at 11:07 am #

    Sleep is not a very a good way to refresh. Yes, that is right. There is plenty of science and research to verify this. You are not going to hear a lot about this because sleep products both in the form of drugs and supplements is a huge industry. I have a good friend who is an anxiety specialist. He mainly works with stressed out business people and he is always telling me stuff that goes completely agaisnt the grain when it comes to sleep. He says our brains are actually pretty darn active during sleep so we are not really refreshing our selves like we think we are. If you are in bed relaxing with a quiet mind you are going to recharge better than if you are actually sleeping. What he does is give people techniques to quiet the mind and he tells his clients to focus on that part of recharging and not to worry about getting any sleep. If it happens fine, if not, your still fine. I told him he is crazy, and he pulled out dozen studies done in the past couple of years that showed performance levels in various activities from groups of people with varying durations of sleep. The people that slept less out performed the people who slept more. He said the main problem outside the lab is people freak out about not sleeping and they program themselves to equate not sleeping with feeling like crap and not able to perform daily task as well. It is not being refreshed that hurts well being and our ability to perform task instead of lack of sleep. That are not the same thing. You do not have to be sleeping to refresh/recharge.
    He also went into our history and the reason for sleep in the first place. In our early existence sleep was a means of preventing our species from hurting ourselves. It was dark, we did not know how to make fire, and there were plenty of nocternal hunters looking for us as meal. If early humans hurt themselves from walking around in the dark like breaking a leg or something, it could mean the end of them (they would die). So sleep was originally as a means of survival. He also pointed out, and I find this part to be very interesting, that modern humans who do not sleep much are desendents (spelling?) from what he called “fire watchers”. They were the ones that stayed awake to watch over the clan so a sabertooth or something did not pounce. Human clans had to have people awake or fire watches to insure survival. So it may be part of your genetic code to not sleep. So thank you for helping our species survive. Sorry for the ramble, but I have a friend who specializes in anxiety and sleep disorders and I know a lot of people who he has really helped by getting them to change their perspective on how they view sleep. The bottom line is to refresh, and that does not have to include a lot of sleep. There are other ways to refresh, meditation, yoga, relaxation techniques ect…

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    Anonymous | 11 March 2009 at 12:11 pm #

    i think it may be bed time,:) good night . sweet .xo

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    Al Walling | 11 March 2009 at 12:52 pm #


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    daveoto | 11 March 2009 at 2:08 pm #

    This morning i couldn't get to sleep (i work nights). Tried & tried; watched some dreadful tv, read, but no. Then, instead of counting sheep, attempted to count the Church=23 albums. Tried several different permutations, but no definitive list> ?shriek ?jammed ?compilations??? Then, individually, in depth, considered each one; got to HOB & then woke up many hours later!!!!Fully refreshed!
    Got up, had a shower, bowl of muesli & listened to Hologram of Baal!! Magic!

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    Anonymous | 11 March 2009 at 5:53 pm #

    I too had bouts of sleeplessness in rehab and many times after. It’s very agonizing, especially when the inner-thinking takes over. I may not have it as bad as some here but my heart goes out to them.

    I recently talked to a therapist about this. She suggested, along with a number of what you mentioned, to ask for the right things. (“May I have sleep”, “May I be happy”, “May I be relaxed”, etc. Whatever is relevant) It may help with the constant dialog.

    What a coincidence that the topic is on sleep, or the lack thereof. I just had a very vivid dream which brought me to your current post. It was about letters being exchange and a show in a grand theater. Go figure.

    Anyway, good sleep to all.


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    Brien Comerford | 11 March 2009 at 7:57 pm #

    Some people who choke the chicken are animal abusers while others humanely generate glandular emissions.

    Nobody merits Veleska !! She introduced me to “Heyday” the Church’s genuinely first iconic album. It commenced Kilbey’s long tenure as a consistently exemplary vocalist.

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    Anonymous | 11 March 2009 at 8:37 pm #

    sleeplessness, more like homelessness, fuck you all…

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    Freddie | 11 March 2009 at 8:44 pm #

    Grace (anon @4:53 a.m.) that’s interesting because I have lain awake all night and still felt fine the next day.

    anon @ 7:37 a.m., you find a home ๐Ÿ˜›

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    Freddie | 11 March 2009 at 9:03 pm #

    Oops!! I was referring to Kclone’s post above and not anon.(Grace)


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    princey | 11 March 2009 at 10:07 pm #

    Interesting Kclone, it all makes sense.

    Hey sk, hope you’re ok and resting up, but don’t stay away too long:(

    HAve a nice day one and all,
    love Amanda

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    Greg | 12 March 2009 at 1:12 am #

    I’ve had troubles falling asleep since before I can remember. My parents have told me how they’d send a much younger me off to bed, check in on me a couple hours later to find me lying there quietly, and yet wide awake.

    A yoga instructor introduced me to a relaxation strategy that often works quite well if I’ve got too many thoughts whizzing around my head to fall asleep:

    Imagine you’re by a calm, tree-lined river. Imagine each unwanted thought as a leaf, falling from a tree.
    Allow the thought/leaf to be there – don’t fight it. Just let it float down to the river and allow the river to carry it away.

    Hope this helps!


  88. avatar
    Anonymous | 12 March 2009 at 1:58 am #

    Over here in the US I usually think about what everyone is doing in China or Australia while I get to sleep. They are waking up and going to work. Suckers.

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    Anonymous | 12 March 2009 at 2:22 am #

    great write up Kclone…

    I sleep between 3 to max 5 hours a night and am always worried its not enough, yet when I wake up, my first feeling is that I feel great…then, after consciousness kicks in and I realize its still dark and say 3 or 4am (depending on what time I went to bed, which is generally round midnight), then I start to feel like shit and unrefreshed…I spend the next few hours from ~3 to 6am waiting for daylight and gradually getting more and more frustrated that I havent slept enough!! I guess this has a lot to do with expectations and the power of the mind….


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    Anonymous | 12 March 2009 at 2:33 am #

    so stressed.

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    seoigh | 12 March 2009 at 2:36 am #

    So Mr. Killer. So glad you have something better to do than blog. I hope that doesn’t sound snarky — or like a complaint. It’s sincere. Keeping busy with ye olde chopping of yonder wood and carrying of thine water is just wot el doctoro ordered.

    Hope yer wowing ’em.

    Break a leg, brother.

  92. avatar
    Hellbound Heart | 12 March 2009 at 3:51 am #

    howdy y’all!

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    Lian | 12 March 2009 at 4:31 am #

    Greg, very “Zen”; very poetic. I guess it helps. As for me, I don’t feel any difficulty to fall asleep; I find sober time is much more harder. Yet your advice works, it’s interesting.

    Seoigh, true(as always) and warm, how nice. I hope my comment which was right after yours didn’t make any mistake. I didn’t read yours while I was writing.

    And yes, break a leg tomorrow, panther!! You are my hero, you are my legend.

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    Anonymous | 12 March 2009 at 5:04 am #

    unfortunately I have just heard that the Queensland leg of your tour has been “postponed” and I hope that everything is ok. You should get your website moderator to update the news section to avoid further people buying online tickets and booking accommodation etc which cant always be refunded but which I know may only be trivial things in the circumstances. I hope that you are able to arrange to come back up here because the new tour sounded like an excellent experience.

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    Richard | 12 March 2009 at 5:27 am #

    speaking as someone who has booked leave and unrefundable air tickets to travel from Darwin to Brisbane and back this weekend can I echo anon at 4.04?

    in fact can I say loudly ‘FUCK!’?

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    Richard | 12 March 2009 at 6:19 am #




  97. avatar
    Richard | 12 March 2009 at 6:21 am #

    … but I do hope that whoever is ill is on the mend

  98. avatar
    davem | 12 March 2009 at 7:25 am #

    Hope you’re ok sir.

  99. avatar
    catchow | 12 March 2009 at 8:17 am #

    hope you’re going well,Steven,
    and you’ll come back pretty soon…

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    the dean | 12 March 2009 at 8:24 am #

    speak to us steve, as one who is about to travel to sydney to see the show.

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