posted on February 9, 2007 at 7:50 pm

dont make me sick….
oh god do we still have deluded corpse eaters here
or are they just baiting their betters
yeah yeah
eating meats great
go ahead
if you feel like it
if that fucking dead thing turns you on
if swallowing bits of a cadaver turns you on baby
but remember its dead
and remember dont trust me
cos i shot smack
that means i couldnt havent any possible idea of ethics or morals
cos i shot smack
and im the pseudo-spiritual pied piper of oz
or the wizard of hamelin with an aphorism for every occaision
but still i must have something you thought you wanted
cos youre reading my blogge
and i aint reading yours, meaty men n women
im sorry
but this is my blogge
and this is my conviction
eating meat is perhaps the most obscene thing an enlightened human can do
in my opinion that is
and puh-leese
as someone pointed out
hitler was NOT a vegetarian
but george bernard shaw was
and he said that
humanity will never, can never
have compassion for itself
while it eats animals
and cmon folks
we aint talking a deer in a forest n a bow n arrow
we aint talking a hunter who understands n respects his quarry
we’re talking about the systematic horrific mutilation of a million beasts every day
now if you read all that stuff about the pigs having their teeth tusks hooves
just yanked off with no anaesthetic…
if yer down with the cages in the constant light
no room whatsoever
knee deep in their own excrement
they are packed in so deep that sometimes when one dies
it takes a while for anyone to notice
these creatures
these intelligent creatures
are given a concentration camp life
and the pain fear n anxiety are the only facts of their lives
if you read that
if you understand it
n imagine it a little
go on
the hideous crowd pressed against you
never seen the sky
never moved
force fed chemicals
the pain of those clippers going in your mouth
why youre only a baby after all
what you really hoped for from this world was
the warmth of your mother n your siblings
the right of all creartures
the sky the sun the moon
the warmth of summer
the coldness of winter
to forage in the grass
or roll in the mud
but no no
a human has hold of you
and you squeal to let him know
that youre scared
and you squeal out to your mother
and she hears you but she cant move
and shes so beaten n broken n SAD
this is just one more fucking horror
in the nightmare of her life
so you squeal but the human holds you down
and he reaches into your mouth with something
and he rips tooth by tooth by tooth
including your gums n bits of your tongue
i mean he aint being too careful with this little piggy
this innocent sentient little piggy
and let me tell ya
ive had one rotten tooth pulled out
and i was on intravenous valium
and heroin n pot
and i had a local anaesthetic
and i had a top notch jewish dentist
doing it as fucking carefully as he could
and let me tell ya
but back to our little piggy
who by the way
can hear all his little piggy bros n sisters being de teethed at the same time
and that human he just wrestles little piggy down
and youre screaming and your mouth is full of blood
and your ears are full of screaming and machinery
and 2 smells
the smell of the pigs fear
and the smell of the humans who go about their work
and when you think about it
nature prepares us for all kinds of pain
but i doubt that nature ever thought that
one of her creatures would pull another ones teeth all out
and the pain is quite unimaginable
yes it is
and then they take the hooves too
and sometimes the ears n tails
i imagine having your tail cut off is quite unendurable as well
now when you out there
you who im writing this for
is imagining this
putting a little bit of commitment into picturing
or even feeling this horror
if after all that
you still think
bring on my pork
why dontcha go away
if you subscribed
please write a comment
finishing with
“… and thats why i think
eating meat is groovy and
fuck little piggies pain!”
and i’ll make sure i use yer subscription
to buy a nut-cutlet
so look
just go away
go on
i dont like you

109 Responses to “the being bites back”

  1. avatar
    eek | 9 February 2007 at 8:33 pm #

    Ya just pissed off a bunch of your fans, SK. And you know what? I admire your willingness to do that.

    I had a Doberman Pinscher once. We got her from the pound as a 3 month old puppy. Her tail had already been docked (apparently people do that shorthly after birth — we wouldn’t have done it), but her ears weren’t done. We never had them done and I remember one woman in the waiting room at the vet scoffing and saying “she’ll look like a hound if you don’t do her ears.” The vet (who agreed with our decision on the ears btw) laughed and said “that dog will NEVER look like a hound.” And she didn’t. And she had nice soft ears too. But the reason I mentioned it is that I was shocked that people would cut off a poor puppy’s tail and ears just because they like how it looks. If you want a dog with upright ears, buy a dog with naturally upright ears damn it.

    I know it’s a bit different that slaughtering animals, but the cruelty just for appearance is sickening to me.

  2. avatar
    a2 | 9 February 2007 at 8:48 pm #

    piss ’em off I say – today’s blog is kinda timely as last night during my visit to Auckland I ventured forth in search of food and decided on some noodles at the local chinese place – noodles good, but the mountainous plates of dead meat being delivered to other tables was unbearable – thanks sk – tonight, etc I go in search of nice veggie restaurant

  3. avatar
    12str | 9 February 2007 at 9:08 pm #

    im feeling a little bit sick….
    got this flashbacks from holocaust pictures…were no better then the nazis,khmer rouge,mao or stalin.
    an intelligent beeing breeding other living beeings under torturelike condiions…..!
    whats the intelligence in that?
    just to feed on them!
    are we civilized?

  4. avatar
    Imber | 9 February 2007 at 9:17 pm #

    SK- You are the best!

    Love your blog.

    You are always giving the voiceless a voice and it’s great to see you doing it again.

    The meat industry is a horrific, cruel and ruthless one.

    “The time will come when people such as I will look upon the murder of animals
    as they now look upon the murder of people.”

    Leonardo da Vinci


  5. avatar
    gareth,notts | 9 February 2007 at 9:43 pm #

    this post should be printed out and handed out in the streets!thats extremely powerful imagery!

  6. avatar
    gareth,notts | 9 February 2007 at 9:43 pm #

    not to mention persuasive!

  7. avatar
    Noah | 9 February 2007 at 9:44 pm #

    SK – it was reading interviews with you (Starfish-era, late 80’s) that helped to inspire me to become a veggie. I’m proud and happy to say that I’ve been a vegetarian for nearly 20 years now. Thanks for the inspiration then, and keep up the good fight.

  8. avatar
    Sunshine | 9 February 2007 at 9:46 pm #

    SK, I wouldn’t put much stock in comments by the anons who won’t bother to sign their names. There’s not much spine nor honesty in that.

    I would be wrong to not admit that I am somewhat of a meat eater (would be a veggie, but for an addiction to poultry & fish), but I’m not here to battle that out with anyone. Perhaps I’ll go back to lurking.

    Being an avid student of the creative arts, I admire you. As far as your spiritualism, vegetarianism, environmentalism, motherearthism and all other -isms you hold dear, bravo to you. I admire your courage to shout it out loud and damn the consequences. I’m not as brave as you, but I wish I were a fraction as disciplined.


  9. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 February 2007 at 10:04 pm #

    You being pseudo-spiritual and an ex drug addict doesn’t have anything to do with little piggies. You’ve artfully(to some I’m sure) changed the subject ala George W & Co to something tragic you can hold up and sneer about, in essence, gathering your crowd together.
    You assumed people who said something “against” you were meat eaters. I’m not a meat eater and I’m painfully aware of the atrocities you mentioned. I also know many people who have meat in their diets and are very respectful, centered and creative people. Joseph Campbell said: “a proud vegetarian is just someone who can’t hear a carrot scream”!
    I also know people who smoke regularly and I’ve never seen the vitriol, drama, and general judgement/hypocrisy I’ve seen here in them.

    You say “Go away”. You say: “It’s your blog”. Have fun with it. Good Luck. Bye now.

  10. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 February 2007 at 10:13 pm #

    Oooh, I know someone that you admire and love, and invite into your house that’s a big ol’ hangin’ meat eater!


  11. avatar
    CAPTAIN BEYOND | 9 February 2007 at 10:14 pm #

    ouch that one hurt, me told me lady awhile ago me wanted to stop eating meat and why, but she still keeps on cooking it, me need for you to teach us your vegan ways me dear friend…

  12. avatar
    eek | 9 February 2007 at 10:27 pm #

    you apparently didn’t bother to read the comments yesterday anon at 9:13 am.

  13. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 February 2007 at 10:29 pm #

    my dear sk,

    here you are talking about meat again, while all across the rest of the blogoshere, the peeps are feeling sorry and snickering at the train wreck of a ‘celeb’ who just passed.

    pour moi, I’m having a good chuckle. I’d rather see the authorities take the baby in this case. A rare case of when the system is of some service.

  14. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 February 2007 at 10:31 pm #

    …all you do is carry on

  15. avatar
    Brian | 9 February 2007 at 10:32 pm #

    The thing about meat that most people do not realise is…you are often eating tumours. Yip, ulcers and growths from sick mammals and birds.

    Imagine chewing on a tumour. Tasting a tumefaction. Knawing on a neoplasm.

    Bizarre but true.


  16. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 February 2007 at 10:42 pm #

    Something of a Pandora’s Box here…eh?

    I agree with the above about the anons…ignore ’em.

    Everyone dosen’t have to agree on everything, do they? It’s impossible, non? I have a deep (and often demonstrated here) need to be right about everything. But even I see that sometimes you gotta just agree to disagree.

    Because what is the alternative?


    I know I’m gonna get a serve for the above…bring it on.

  17. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 February 2007 at 10:43 pm #

    A sad blog today sk. I won’t be singing the “this little piggy went to market” line anymore to my little one, thats for sure….yeek!

    I’ll be missing the TB for a few days as Im going away to the beach for a week, hope you have a great weekend and happy valentines day on the 14th (but I know you think its a load malarkey!!)

    Lots of love always,

  18. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 February 2007 at 10:54 pm #

    not all anons are non-a-real-fans. i hear ya, and i eat a lot less meat because of you. i never order it at a restaurant or buy it myself. but many times it’s just there, parties and family functions etc etc.

    one thing i would argue with the tb though, is that fish and other seafood should be considered as meat along with cow and pig. i think that you have said that you yourself don’t eat seafood, but it may be ok to do so. true a crab might have a right jolly life on the bottom b4 being scooped up, but in general sealife are harvested and consumed similar to land animals.

  19. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 February 2007 at 10:55 pm #

    There’s this guy my friend’s and I know here in the US. He’s basically a hillbilly. One of those guy’s that believes in building the military, God & America uber alles. He’s actually a pretty intelligent guy in some way’s….but you know he just doesn’t get it. And he hates, most of all, foreigner’s(not the band).
    You know he say’s stuff like “it’s my country”, “these people who disagree with me should just go away” and “I don’t like these people”.


  20. avatar
    Mega-Jason | 9 February 2007 at 11:01 pm #

    Sorry, Steve.
    I read and I read and all I could think is,
    “That’s not what I meant!”
    Then I went back and read the others.
    That one was pretty damn disrespectful.
    You were talking to them?
    Still, it was a snide comment on my part…
    Wasn’t meant to be

    I know about the piggies.

    I once heard, “Being an adult is a constant battle against hypocrisy.”

    Thanks for the kick in the ass.

  21. avatar
    mattdavison | 9 February 2007 at 11:04 pm #

    a2 ponsonby road has a few great vege-vegan does kingsland(the vege bar is good) enjoy yr stay..2day 90 degrees so enjoy..get down to mission bay..beautiful.

    Hey Sk!!! you a man of great principles..The ones who can’t handle the stick..go back to the hicks.

  22. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 February 2007 at 11:08 pm #

    The one who can feel all of the suffering
    to them comes wisdom
    to see beyond to feel beyond
    to know that the love you live for
    is real,
    I love my dogs like children, they have more soul and love than I can express, I am fortunate to have them in my life..

    and its so unnecessary that these animals have to suffer, it should be a crime, its an evil thing
    thats what it is, IT IS EVIL..

    Its easy to get offended when you feel you cant change,
    but you can, anyone can..
    A testament to intelligence and creativity is to remain versatile and build a foundation on truth

    I never forget the moment when I told my girlfriend that I really couldnt eat meat,
    I think she made her own decision and its exactly what she feels..
    I’ve been veg for about 9 yrs and I feel great, I look great..

    My parents who are Mexican were reading Diet for a new America by John Robbins on their vacation and my dad says “thats it I am done with it”,
    No more taco’s, they’re both living longer and better..

    It never leaves my mind that there are millions and millions of innocent animals being tortured stabbed and hacked to death so an industry can poison its own people with tainted flesh..

    I would feel much more relieved if meat eaters would fall off
    they don’t value God’s consciousness even for themselves
    they are selfish, destructive animals, they would rather be ignorant of it all..
    Thats the truth..and it hurts

    Cuz its clear that some are seduced by superficial hedonism of music and mystical lyrics without the real guts to channel the higher reality of conscious experience and surrender to the greater good…hmmmm

    as much as todays blog was uncomfortable to imagine, it emboldened me to be more conscious and real about helping others to leave meat behind..

    Its so easy people,
    build a kitchen, get spices
    learn veg, learn from others..
    talk to me,

    peace, jaime r…

  23. avatar
    mattdavison | 9 February 2007 at 11:12 pm #

    Oh ps.. I feel there will be many less anonymous comments from here on out……Ya bloody Who..

  24. avatar
    Centuryhouse | 9 February 2007 at 11:12 pm #

    You make a convincing argument Steve.

    Despite my appreciation for well crafted firearms, I don’t hunt.

    I don’t like the idea of killing when I don’t have to – and we as a part of Western civilization of typically wealthy enough that we can be well fed without ever touching a peice of meat if we choose to.

    There are other parts of the world that may not have a choice but to get food wherever they can, even hunting meat. Our society however does so from choice, not need.

    Regardless of the fact that many of us have been brought up as carnivores, seeing or reading about the horrific conditions in the ‘meat factories’ certainly can affect a person’s view of it all.

    My daughter is being raised as a vegetarian, and I’m glad we have that option where others may not.

  25. avatar
    ed in fl | 9 February 2007 at 11:22 pm #

    Sorry – we were born with the instinct to hunt for meat, fish, etc. – just like most of the animals on this earth. This is the earth that “God” created, so we can’t be going against nature by eating flesh. Also, a few of us going veg isn’t going to stop anything on this vastly overpopulated earth. What’s the use?

    ed in fl

    I truly respect your stand though and salute you for it.

  26. avatar
    restaurant mark | 9 February 2007 at 11:34 pm #

    i’ve got the flu…101 fever, coughing, chills, aching…don’t have an appetite for anything. it’s a shame some comments yesterday got a little pissy and carried away. i was having fun rating my seven sins…yeah, like there’s only seven right? take care steve.

  27. avatar
    sue cee | 9 February 2007 at 11:36 pm #

    I agree with you totally Steve re animal rights so farmers need to be supported to be able to viably grow more grain and vegetable products without going bankrupt trying to keep up with the restrictions and bureaucracy and having to resort to animal production to keep on going (don’t get me started on some of the ‘landed gentry’ – that’s a whole other bee in my bonnet). The majority just do not tolerate bad farming practises but of course you wont read that in the papers. Surely any smart person knows by now what goes on?

    One of the biggest challenges right now and what is facing humanity is how we are going to sustainably feed the world with less land, less water, battling drought, climate change and an ever-increasing population. Idealism is constantly being challenged by realism…but give up? I hope we never have to. We need to unite more to get our ideas heard but the majority are working their butt off when they’re not attending stressful meetings with bank managers. Suicide is at all all-time high. Im a more positive person though (and I love my kids to death)..when the going gets tough I can easily go back whereas those who’ve grown up on the land cant see any light at the end of the tunnel. How much less stressful it would be to have a fulltime 9-5 job again, weekends to myself and rely on someone else to grow my food? Man though, I don’t like that option. The work’s damn hard … my sloth rating just dropped! (don’t count it as exercise though). Im getting off the track a bit. This has become more like of letter than a comment. Gotta go visit my goats again, start the water pump and strain up a fence – rest is for the wicked.. lucky bastards!

    Love Sue
    Environmental farmer/educator, lover of animals, people and music… and damn scared for the future. One day, maybe very soon, we’ll have to give in and go live near the city with all the others who are rapidly leaving, but until then.
    ps my veg diets going pretty well and I’ll eat meat if there’s no option but even kc is gradually changing, he surprises me all the time. Brian, the tumours in chicken esp, thats enough to deter anyone from KFC!

    Ps captain mission – you are a gorgeous, beautiful man you big dork!

  28. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 February 2007 at 11:39 pm #


    I am a meat eater—i Had the vegan entree at your space cake concert and the vegetable stack for main !!! Both were delicious specially the little round ball rice things.

    How about putting some vegan recipes or easy to start meal options on your blog that are easy for us to try and i promise i’ll try, maybe you may make a conversion.

  29. avatar
    annikajones | 9 February 2007 at 11:53 pm #

    d in fl, if you truly believe that, why aren’t we still living in caves? Humnan kind evolves, ethically as well as physically. It’s not that strange.

    anon 10.01, that was the weirdest comparison I’ve ever heard. When the people of a country choose who can come there, they are turning away others who need their help. It’s not a very humanitarian thing to do. When SK excludes people from his blog, he’s choosing his audience. No one is inprisoned, raped, or murdered as a result.

    SK, your opinion is valid, no arguement about that. And this is your blog and you can tell people to fuck off, that’s okay. But isn’t this a little too black and white? Most people in this world *are* trying, and most of the ones who aren’t are simply ignorant of what they’re really supporting. Like people who think using plant oil as skin products is weird, and who’d rather buy expensive lotions full of cheap mineral oil (a personal dislike of mine)…

  30. avatar
    Imber | 10 February 2007 at 12:04 am #

    If you want to see what goes on just so that people can eat their meat, watch here:

  31. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 12:09 am #

    I’m a vegetarian. I liked Daniel’s reply from yesterday on the subject. Very enlightening.

    The only thing I wish to add is that I was surprised that so many people lust. I think lust is as destructive as eating flesh. I think the media’s constant reference to pornographic images and values is as corrupting as the meat industry is on human moral/ ethical development.

    The virtues of temperance and chastity are good things. The culture is degenerating rapidly. Exercising respect for others and ourselves and honouring life everywhere is the cornerstone of compassionate living. We should focus on loving images and exercise loving actions in all that we do.

  32. avatar
    leelinau | 10 February 2007 at 12:11 am #


  33. avatar
    syrinx | 10 February 2007 at 12:13 am #

    I’m not gonna bore anyone with how or why my dietary path, which has wavered according to the extent to which it has up to now affected other folk, has moved in the direction it has. I think I’ll write about it on my own blogger later. Instead I’ll tell you something entirely different, sad, and bore you with that instead.

    I remember getting ready for an early morning appointment on the morning of Sept. 11. *The* Sept 11. The tv was on. Between cancelling appointments and school and fielding phonecalls from the base, I’m like…oh fuck. Then the suggestion that if you can go and donate blood, do so immediately. All types, all needed. I thought AHA! I can HELP. Now I have a bunch of stuff in my system that I wondered about – so I called ahead of time to make sure it was kosher enough. Sleep medication? No problem. Filter it out. Medication to cope with random agoraphobic tendencies? No problem. Filter it out. Blah blah. I am good to go, I can go do my bit, small though it would be. Then the bomb.

    Almost an afterthought the person on the other end of the line said oh – you didn’t happen to have lived abroad at any time in the last fifteen years or so have you? I said well yes, I was in England for several years. She got quiet for a second, then said “I’m very sorry, but if you ate meat during that time your blood is unacceptable for donation of any sort.”

    Seeing as the incubation period for “Mad Cow” disease is just now making itself known, basically, it’s looking like I might never be cleared to give blood that could very well save a fellow man, at least according to American standards and all the information I current am aware of. And I am B-.

    That maks me very sad. I ain’t a hero. I will probably never pull someone from a burning building, but…I could’ve given a little blood, you know?

  34. avatar
    Melquiades | 10 February 2007 at 12:21 am #

    You know, you don’t have to injest meat to contribute to animal cruelty. there’s plenty of animal testing going on for all our consumables.

    I wonder how many of your minions would become meat-eaters if you proclaimed tomorrow you were the diggin the other other white meat. All the yes people chime in. Makes me a little sick with the pep rally against carnivores today. Judge not, lest ye be judged. Seems like vanity to me. How many vegans here have leather shoes, upholstry, gloves, etc.? How many use makeup?

    There are many things that you do in life that contribute to the demise and moral destruction of this planet (you are human. Do you not understand humans are THE CANCER of this planet): Plastics, Oil, Monoxide, Methane, Methodone, How many people do you think died getting your smack to your dealers so you could snort, smoke, inject your troubles away. How many people?

  35. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 12:41 am #

    annikajones 11:04am:

    You missed the point.

    I think SK would agree that the “clubs”, “groups”, “elitist organisations(governments)”, etc are the beginning of rules and regulations that kill true creativity by saying… here’s what you can say in my presence and here’s what you cannot. Rock ‘N Roll was founded on freedom and the rebellion from such things.
    Does this latest blog not sound like a type of censorship to you. Can you see the hypocrisy in listening to a self-proclaimed hippy, who asks for money for you to hear his rantings, starting to pick his “flock”??? Playing to the paying “flock”? There’s alway’s a beginning to something and it’s seldom picked up on by the casual and unconscious person but it is still there.

    I’m saying the man is free to do what he want’s, even charge for it, but really…read the blog without prejudice. Learn. Even someone you love can learn from constructive criticism.

    This nothing to do with meat.

  36. avatar
    annikajones | 10 February 2007 at 12:41 am #

    Anon 11.11, I’m not out to discredit your comment, I just had a thought when reading it. I don’t think lust necessarily equals sex. Lust can be many things, like lust for life, for art, for writing, for… well anything. And lust in the traditional meaning isn’t inherently bad either, it’s the over-exploitation and twisting of it that’s fucked up. Imho.

    And to anyone who cares: religious texts weren’t meant to be interpreted literally.

  37. avatar
    Letango | 10 February 2007 at 12:42 am #


    I like your comment. Thanks.

    –anne marie

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    Melquiades | 10 February 2007 at 12:46 am #

  39. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 12:49 am #

    wow i’ll bet you get overwhelmed with this stevo and start making jokes about how yew was jus’ jokin’ an peeples are 2 seereus. maybe anonymous peeples ‘av no balls etc.

    i think there’s been a point made here. maybe the fender bass is a better place for your fingers than the pc.

  40. avatar
    Letango | 10 February 2007 at 12:50 am #

    I Love LUST and I LUST love

    I LUST beauty
    and beauty is God
    and beauty can be sad
    or ugly
    it is still beauty to me
    and I LUST for it
    to keep it here with me,
    around me, amongst me…

    And I call to it
    and praise it
    and all those other good things…

    I LUST nature

    Oh, how the English “L” is the start of a deep kiss. Feel how saying it curls your tongue in anticipation! Jesus, it makes me want to open my mouth and wrap myself in another. Mmmmm, yummy.

    Oh, what a lovely letter!

    I LUST L
    I scream your praises!

    F’n Lust!

    La Tee Da

  41. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 12:53 am #

    you really should go into politics STeve, you’d be great at it

  42. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 12:57 am #

    very good point about the fish. SK, your wife eats fish dosnt she? thats a corpse isn’t it? how come she’s allowed to eat corpses and the rest of the world isn’t according to you? one set of rules for the people you know and another one for us devoted blog readers who you don’t know.

    bit of a hypocrite you are.

    also i thought strict vegans didn’t use any animal products?

    dairy in chocolate

    correct me if i’m wrong.

    St. T

  43. avatar
    annikajones | 10 February 2007 at 12:57 am #

    Sorry for spamming the comments page today.

    Anon 11.04, you have the freedom to not read this blog, if you wish. You can read others. If there was censorship involved, this would be the only blog you were allowed to read. Not beliving (or complying with) everything you read applies to this blog as well as to the rest of the world. And did you notice that, in the comment you’re answering, I criticised SK too?

    All clubs are excluding, all societies have rules. It’s just a question of whether you fit the criteria and if you can abide by the rules. But as long as you’re free to choose whether you want to be a part of those clubs and societies or not, there’s no problem, is there?


  44. avatar
    absolutely | 10 February 2007 at 1:05 am #

    Was Hitler a vegetarian? You be the judge: here

    One amusing quote from the for case:

    In an attempt to disgust dinner guests and provoke them into shying away from meat, he reportedly told graphic stories of visits he had made to a slaughterhouse in the Ukraine. “It amused him to spoil carnivorous guests’ appetites… As they put their forks down in disgust, he would harangue them for hypocrisy. ‘That shows how cowardly people are,’ he would say. ‘They can’t face doing certain horrible things themselves, but they enjoy the benefits without a pang of conscience.'”

  45. avatar
    shawn_el | 10 February 2007 at 1:05 am #

    Here here!
    The master has spoken! It’s not my place to say really but I too wish the SK-bashers would get f#%*ing lost. Those who don’t respect all forms of life, and think that the earth and its creatures are simply here for the taking, will get their just desserts, maybe not now, but SOMEDAY!!!

  46. avatar
    Imber | 10 February 2007 at 1:07 am #


    Since going vegan I have not bought any more leather and the make-up I wear is cruelty free.

    I have contacted all the companies that I have bought from to find out if they test on animals.

    If they test on animals I do not buy it.

    I also look at all the ingredients of everything I buy and will not buy anything with ingredients of an animal origin.

  47. avatar
    crucified in space | 10 February 2007 at 1:09 am #

    Haven’t we been here before?

  48. avatar
    stealthblue | 10 February 2007 at 1:09 am #

    Wow! “I haven’t seen this much mud-slinging since the last election!!” (In the words of the Immortal Groucho Marx)

    Seriously though, it might not be a bad idea to agree to disagree on this one. Personally, I am here because I love the music, I love the Kilbster, the Choich, you people, the whole deal.

    SK, I think you are great, if you don’t know that by now, then I’m just gonna have to come right up to ya and plant one on your forehead!! 😉 Then I’ll pass the spliff. WHAT, you did Heroin??? Get right outta town! Geeze, you are badde! What kind of human bean are you? How dare you improve your self and come up for air from the deep abyss of hell and darkness! (God, that joker cracked me up) Anyway…
    I think MOST of us here do love and respect your blog and your thinking…obviously. I love this blog and love reading most of the comments. Some of them, well, you just have to grin-n-bear it. There are some real idots in the world, and it appears that a few of them have crashed the site from time to time. But please do not get discouraged because you have changed, and still inspire, so many lives. That much is obvious. I also think you have every right to defend yourself if certain yahoos get out of line. It is YOUR blog.

    As far as my diet, I don’t eat “beast” anymore…for a few reasons actually. Let’s just say that it has been an on-going struggle, almost an addiction, for a very long time, since childhood as a matter of fact. I was raised on meat, etc. Most of us were. I grew up in Beef country.
    It would have been pretty hard to avoid it, unless I preferred starvation. That is, until the first time I saw a slaughter and heard screams and the shots and the saws and cleavers, and saw the bodies and blood that were just breathing a few moments ago, all of a sudden hanging on hooks, split in half, etc. Then, I never looked at a steak the same way, it never smelled the same either. Later, in my twenties it hit me really hard when my first live-in girlfriend was a vegetarian. She grew up eating meat as well, very mid-western family-lotz o’piggy, so we could relate. But her mom and dad were true “hippies/musicos” that used to live in Bellingham, WA area and were part of a derivitive of the original “Love Family.” They later lived in Puerto Vallarta and used to invite us down for extended stays, which were just awesome and life-changing. I learned a lot from those excellent folks, including more about the ways of the meat “farmer.” I had always thought about cutting meat out, just to try it. So I did, I stopped eating red meat at first, then other stuff…then I fell back, I tried again, then I fell back AGAIN because there was just something about it (chorizo tacos that time)that beckoned my senses and my body thought it needed it I guess…but it was wrong. I got the shits for an entire weekend and was puking like a volcano. (sorry that is gross, but it is part of the story) I just wasn’t being strong enough to truly change. That was then. NOW, however, I am happy about my wise decision to lay off it. I am still debating about fish because of my recently diagnosed elevated cholesterol…that’s a tough one to swallow, as part of it is hereditary, so we’ll see. I just want to be healthy and learn what I can. It is a course on the path to enlightenment. Period, end of story. People can say what they want, and my wife’s family (they are Polish) think I am some sort of fruit or something for not chowing down on Mamo’s veal patties, or blood sausages (yuck, I am getting sick just thinking about those things) I don’t give a flying fuck, it is my body, my digestion, and my thought process. I do have to admit though, SK did have something to do with this, but not entirely.

    Mainly it was everything I was seeing, reading and learning about the meat industry. There’s that word again…I-N-D-U-S-T-R-Y. Yes, folks, it is true, you can either accept it or live in denial, but the general meat industry is fucking EVIL! If you choose to eat those Whataburgers and Snausages, that’s fine, it is YOUR choice. BUT, you have to KNOW where that nice little styrofoam/shrink-wrapped package came from…and what it WENT THROUGH to get into your intestines. I am not gonna get on a high horse and criticize, because I am not exactly sure at what point we got “here” in the first place, but I do feel better about myself and my body and spirit are healing…a cleaner burning engine if you will.

    I certainly do not believe that all people that eat meat are immoral, or evil, or anything of the sort. Because, let’s face it, most meat-eaters simply don’t know the behind-the-scenes regarding their food source. Maybe I don’t know what the hell I am talking about, but what I do know is that I read an article recently that I had to share with certain people, and I am proud to say that it changed their lives. They had NO IDEA that a company like Smithfield Foods even existed, or that they actually produce most of the pork in the US, and pretty soon, globally, starting in of all places…POLAND and other Eastern European countries…BECAUSE THEY CAN. They are not REGULATED the same way, if at all (like it matters here anyway) They rely on the ignorance of the general public not to interrupt their grand schemes and corrupt business tactics. Do you think they care about your high cholesterol or your quadruple bypass? Do you think there is no correlation between companies like them and the pharma companies? Bullshit. But it is your choice.

    We could all go on like this I am sure. This is a microcosm of the world…or something like that. Anyway, “can’t we all just get along?” “Sheeeah right, and monkeys might fly out of my butt!” Well, we should, at least on some level
    Ben V.

  49. avatar
    stealthblue | 10 February 2007 at 1:12 am #

    Jesus Christ that was long. SORRY ABOUT THAT!

  50. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 1:15 am #


    We have an amazing ability to communicate in 2007. But, at least here in the States, we have these masses of polarized, non-thinking idiots. Unconsciousness reigns. And, it seems, everyone thinks in these little worlds of “this is my opinion, I am right and you are wrong”. And it seems to me there is a game going on before our eyes. And I read the thing about the “deadly sins”. And doesn’t it seem like a bunch of children are talking here.

  51. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 1:28 am #

    i’m better than you are…….na na na na na na!!

  52. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 1:30 am #


    this is madness

    how did we get here?

  53. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 1:39 am #

    re Hitler

    there was no holocaust either, right?

  54. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 1:49 am #

    Was Anna Nicole Smith a Monarch slave like Marilyn Monroe????

    Was she programmed to self-destruct or was it a “hit”?

  55. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 1:56 am #

    Umm, whats a nut-cutlet?

  56. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 1:59 am #

    In todays new from the States

    Elie Wiesel, the renowned Holocaust author and Nobel Peace Prize winner, was attacked and dragged out of a San Francisco hotel elevator last week, possibly by a Holocaust denier who claims to have stalked Wiesel for weeks, police said.

    Wiesel, 78, was at the Argent Hotel Feb. 1 for a conference on “Facing Violence: Justice, Religion and Conflict Resolution” when he was confronted in an elevator by a man insisting that he wanted to interview the author, according to San Francisco Police Department Sgt. Neville Gittens.

    Wiesel said he would do so in the hotel lobby, but the man insisted on going to Wiesel’s room. The man then stopped the elevator at the sixth floor and tried to force Wiesel into a room there.

    “That’s when the victim started yelling,” Gittens said.

    Wiesel escaped unharmed, made his way down to the lobby and called police.

    A man calling himself Eric Hunt and claiming to be the attacker posted an account of the incident on a virulently anti-Semitic Web site. The account, posted Tuesday, matches the description of the attack police later released.

    Gittens said police were aware of the Web site and that there is a suspect being sought. However, he would not say whether the suspect is the person who posted the Web account.

    In his posting, Hunt said his goal was for Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor and author of more than 40 books, to renounce the Holocaust.

    “I had planned to bring Wiesel to my hotel room, where he would truthfully answer my questions regarding the fact that his non-fiction Holocaust memoir, Night, is almost entirely fictitious,” Hunt wrote on the site.

    The site is registered to a Sydney, Australia, man who also writes on the site. A phone call and e-mail to the domain name owner were not returned.

  57. avatar
    verdelay | 10 February 2007 at 1:59 am #

    It must seem rather odd – not to mention frustrating – for someone whose job it is to communicate with people to reach such an apparent impasse.

    I mean we’ve followed you. From mascara wunderkind through prettyboypaisley through LA cynic through fatjunkie through renaissance manne, all the way through to psychedelic spacerock bloguru. We’ve been there, and you know we have. We’ve seen your worlds, been there, lived with you in them and through them. Sunburnt landlords, Neuman, Erskine, Dicky Plantagenet and all the rest of the bunch. We’ve lapped it up, and you’ve been amazed/gratified/bewildered by it all.

    And now something like this – a foundation, a fundamental bedrock, a quintessence of your being, a belief in a moral ideal so essential to all the stories, all the situations, all the little spells you’ve cast…it must be feel just a little bit like a betrayal, to find so many of us simply don’t get it after all. Don’t get you. After all.

    And a harbinger of doubt.

    Perhaps you don’t really understand what we get out of all this? Perhaps you’ve been saying one thing and we’ve been hearing another? Perhaps the medium isn’t the message, nor the magician the man?

    Perhaps when we’re just not getting, it’s because you’re just not putting it out there for us to get….

    Well silence that doubt, my friend. Hush you little chatterboxes, babbling in yer head. It’s true you might never understand us (have you worked out who we are yet? Didn’t think so), but that doesn’t matter in the slightest.

    We’re irrelevant.
    After all, there’s only one of “us” in here (let’s just hope it’s you, eh sunshine?).

    It’s all big room of echoes.

    Retain your quintessence, please. Hang on to it Lambchild.

    The truth is, your integrity speaks volumes and those of “us” who are capable of hearing will understand you, regardless.

    Or should that be remindless?

    You’ll always know where to find us.

  58. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 2:01 am #

    What did all these anonymous bitches do with themselves before they thought it was a good idea to comment on this blog? I was going to stay out of this one today because I still occasionally eat meat – I’m on the road, but not quite there yet, and I realise near enough isn’t good enough. Whatever else you may think is smart or witty to say about SK, he at least, is speaking from the heart on this one, and is happy to be known for his views.

    Michelle Deas (MD)

  59. avatar
    relic | 10 February 2007 at 2:53 am #

    “the being bites back” the hands that feed him. You a cannibal steve?

    Sorry i couldna resist that one. Only kidding sir

  60. avatar
    veleska1970 | 10 February 2007 at 3:14 am #

    i don’t know…i don’t know~~is it really safe to eat absolutely ANYTHING nowadays?? everything you consume, whether it be plant or animal, seems to be loaded with pesticides/transfats/heavy metals/preservatives/chemicals-you-can’t-pronounce/additives/derivatives/artificial sweeteners/artificial color/MSGs/etc etc….

    i guess we would all benefit from not eating anything at all. 🙁

  61. avatar
    i'v got it bad 4 u | 10 February 2007 at 3:40 am #

    like u need this?

    just one word here… to the unconverted,

    “taboo” think about it. then ask, are u safe??

    ie. eating/fucking your mother,

    eating/fucking your brother,

    eating/fucking your sister,

    eating/fucking… u get it?

    ok. so now you say, “you know

    those are just ‘societal inhibitions’

    so, why not? have at it!”

    and i bet you motherfuckers can’t just

    eat/fuck one?!

    evole or die or just shut up, you’re boring.


    enlighten some of the people
    some of the time,

    most of the people none of
    the time, but

    all of the people?

    the answer is on its way,

    who is who
    who is you?


  62. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 3:42 am #

    OK Nevets you definately have put me off my pork chops.. seriously! What can you tell me about cows and sheep please? and what about organic meat then? come on! I am interested.

    Paul L


  63. avatar
    m w m | 10 February 2007 at 3:42 am #

    love your work

  64. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 3:50 am #

    A2 Try Verona in K Rd. There was a serious vegan restaurant in Ponsonby Rd called Musical Knives and run by Madonnas former chef, but I think it’s closed now. Cant see it in the phone book. Good luck.

    Paul L


  65. avatar
    Peter Podcast | 10 February 2007 at 3:52 am #

    What about meat that is grown from a test tube, that has no consciousness? Would it be OK to eat that?
    What about Eskimos and Koori and Amazons who eat heaps of meat?
    What about road kill is it OK to eat that?
    Or feral animals that are shot any way?
    Should I admit to making Kangeroo curry for dinner tonight?

  66. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 3:57 am #

    And anyway Nevets you ate some greasy prosessed chips at the beach with the doodles a couple of weeks back. You divert slightly when it suits ya kiddo.

  67. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 3:57 am #

    hey dude

    I love the smell of meat and I dont consider myself twisted. just last night, i would have horrified you as my boy and me cooked a barbie at the back if the house. a warm summer evening and the joy of preparing a meal for my family. man,it felt more than natural. i can see your point of view and I dont choose to chastize you for it nor do i feel I should be condemned for enjoying the foods i eat. el momento siguiente on the speakers and a tbone on the hot grill…a synergy which no doubt disturbs you but we are not all the same. diversity is what makes us unique!

  68. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 3:58 am #

    Thats brilliant Peter Podcast

  69. avatar
    eek | 10 February 2007 at 3:58 am #

    Hey Peter Podcast — you just made sure no one will ever ask to come to your place for dinner… Ye gods, roadkill or feral critter stew just screams good eatin’ doesn’t it? 😉

  70. avatar
    ...being here, doing this... | 10 February 2007 at 4:13 am #

    when i was a kid, i holidayed at the farm of relatives. i’ll never forget my farmer cousin slitting the throat of a sheep right in front of me. i watched in horror as it bled to death.

    and yet…i still eat meat on occasion

    all of us on this planet are splintered in some way. we are not whole.

    sometimes making the connection between the heart and the head takes a lifetime (or several)

    maybe that’s why we’re all here

    maybe our journey will continue until we heal the fractured parts of ourselves that disassociate from cause and effect

    and how do we heal them?

    one way is to fight each of our vices…trying to get our *** count down to zero.

    this is the painful path of learning through fear and doubt

    another way is to cultivate our good qualities…trying to get our *** count up

    this is the joyful path of learning through love and trust

    the cultivation of kindness within oneself, for example, will automatically reduce envy

    the forced reduction of envy within oneself, however, may not only not increase kindness…it may increase tension and anxiety

    i went to the hare krishnas vegetarian restaurant for lunch today

    it felt good

  71. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 4:24 am #

    name calling is never appropriate – especially for the righteous.

  72. avatar
    mattdavison | 10 February 2007 at 4:33 am #

    Hey All.. Change topic PLEASE! We can not flogg this one any-more.

    Surely.. Lets talk about the Fuccin Atrocities happening to people.. the basis of a society is what we do,say to each other..Yes animal wellfair is extremely important..Signs of early anti-social, psycological manifestations can-!! start with acts of cruelty to beasts..our food requiements, cause pain-inflict pain..It’s fuccin sad, and I feel it) about to choke on my fish bone)..But BUT! nevets’ we must concern ourselves with more important matters..Meat products or Organic Vege- splendor in a wheelbarrow delivered to ones home.
    There are little children, and old pentioners..STARVING..NO FOOD!!! NOTHING……………Now thats pain I am told.
    So you frickin windgers and animal do-gooders go down to the shity part of town, Chops or carrots alike and feed a less fortunate other.


  73. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 4:33 am #

    i’ve been analysing the responses here and have managed to categorize them according to personality type. the types i have identified are as follows:

    (_!_) a regular ass

    (__!__) a fat ass

    (!) a tight ass

    (_*_) a sore ass

    {_!_} a swishy ass

    (_o_) an ass that’s been around

    (_x_) a kiss my ass

    (_X_) a leave my ass alone

    (_zzz_) a tired ass

    (_E=mc2_) a smart ass

    (_$_) a money coming out of his ass

    (_?_) a dumb Ass

  74. avatar
    Brian | 10 February 2007 at 4:40 am #


    go to Merrick’s mental show, Radio Savage Houndy Beasty and listen to Meat. Brilliance,



    Enjoy, you’ll never see the world around you in the same way again. Hysterical. 😀


  75. avatar
    Centuryhouse | 10 February 2007 at 4:47 am #

    Peter Podcast said: “What about meat that is grown from a test tube, that has no consciousness? Would it be OK to eat that?”

    Excellent question, I almost posted that earlier! 🙂

    Interesting side points:
    1) Steve’s ratings/viewings go waaaay up when he says something controversial – usually a broadbrushed slam on a segment of his fans. It elicits many responses & return viewings. I wonder how this one will rate?

    2) Scientists have determined that pretty much all plant life “feels” pain, in that it generates a definate response to trauma and that various plantlifes can even react to the ‘pain’ of another plant. When we will as people put flesh-eating behind us, and begin condemning those who feed on plants? 😉

    I’ve been considering launching a humorous website for a while now: “People For the Ethical Treatment of Vegetables” or something similar, filled with all sorts of cheezy slogans and psuedo-scientific proofs of the harms & evil of killing fruits & vegetables! hehehe


    ps- after reading a few of the comments on this blog, there are doubtless a few readers that could be considered ‘fruits’ and ‘vegetables’!

  76. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 5:28 am #

    i still luv n admire n respect u.

    even tho u hate me.

  77. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 5:29 am #

    It was nice of God to weigh in (anonymously) at 3.33pm. Oh, to be so unimpeachable!

  78. avatar
    don'teatmeiamawobbagong | 10 February 2007 at 5:36 am #

    does nk eat meat?? I know she’s a big fan of fish&chips.

  79. avatar
    stealthblue | 10 February 2007 at 6:19 am #

    It’s all true. It’s all true. Everyone’s got a point, don’t they?
    Damn, you guys are good! I’d say we have a center point. Late…

  80. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 6:56 am #

    Just tuned in to catch up & judging by the amount of comments these last few days, there’s been a bit of debating going on (just as well I was absent, sorry for that t.b.)

    I’m a changing the subject. Listened to Nina Simones’ version of “Lilac
    Wine” this wk. Looked up Jeff Buckley on the web & there’s a Q & A section. He said about this song “Nina does it best. That’s the end all of it. That’s the be all end all version. She’s the King.” (Shouldn’t that be Queen?)
    Which version do you prefer? Pretending sk replying, well……

    Re: Le Dentiste. Wouldn’t hurt to get 2nd opinion from B. Bons dentiste. Might save a lot of the olde moolah.

    Saw “Happy Feet” this wk. Have u taken the family to see it? Loved it. Had a message about environment, but not too strong.
    Loved March of the Penguins too.

    Hope you’ve recovered from the touring and having a good rest before the next few concerts.
    Hope the Church mgt sends new cd to radio stations, “Song in the Afternoon” is defintely one for the airwaves. Lots of people outa there would defintely return to the Church after being absentee.

    Have a good Sunyday,
    Love t

  81. avatar
    Cameras 4 Eyes | 10 February 2007 at 7:47 am #

    Put me right off my pork chop dinner, that.
    Pigs have an intelligence level equivalent to a three-year old human.
    But, as Cameron Diaz says, they’re so tasty!

  82. avatar
    davem | 10 February 2007 at 8:33 am #

    Hi SK,
    You’ve certainly stirred the emotions. Crikey.
    Very powerful blogs.
    I’m a veggie but I’m at a bit sad at all the anger I’ve been witnessing here.
    I’m busy trying to keep anger out of my life at the moment so I’m hoping for a change of subject tomorrow!!
    Love you more – love to ALL fiends,

    Dave M

  83. avatar
    steve kilbey | 10 February 2007 at 9:45 am #

    gee peter podcaste
    that meats sure agreeing with ya
    is that why you look so trim n with it?

  84. avatar
    lily | 10 February 2007 at 10:46 am #


    I agree with you 100%. Animal cruelty and the meat industry sickens me.


  85. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 11:12 am #

    it’s really not this complicated… look into the eyes of your pet or one you know – would you wish such hideous acts upon them – rhetorical question obviously – if your answer is NO and you’re a meat eater, then today must be your last day of eating meat unless you are pissweak. If you answered NO and you’re a veggie, then continue as usual…now go and ask someone else the same question.

  86. avatar
    gareth,notts | 10 February 2007 at 11:43 am #

    centuryhouse:daniel,i read about the plant tests too.apparently the plant was wired up to all kinds of sensors,then had boiling water poured over some of its leaves,the readings went off the scale.when the readings had all died down,as the scientists were talking about repeating the experiment,the readings unexpectedly went off the scale,this time just at the mere mention of doing it!!!

  87. avatar
    Pedro V | 10 February 2007 at 12:54 pm #

    sentience sentience sentience.
    It’s true – to eat meat relies on mankind to live in a state of mass denial. If everyone stopped and thought about the reality of what they are doing, it would, ummm, turn their stomachs….but the thing is so much of life is based on denial. We don’t often say to our mothers “Hi mum, isn’t it amazing that I was once in your gut and that I came out of your vagina, the same place that daddy put his penis’, we deny that ever happened, of course it did but for society to function, for the thin line between barbarism and civilized society to remain we have to keep it out of our minds.
    We have to deny the fact that we are insignificant beings in an infinite universe, we create meaning when there is none…we are in a constant state of denial.
    Eating meat – So we deny the reality of eating another living sentient creature ….. ……but to exist we deny everything else also,… maybe the truth is that it’s dog eat dog, eat or be eaten…although it still doesn’t seem quite right does it.

  88. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 1:27 pm #

    Very curious that you only want decidedly agreeable opining…A coward to be anon?? Fuck OFF >> I will be whatever I fucking please…Is Sk the only one with the freedom? Should we censor our thoughts just to please and win favor??? What the fuck! I started out starry-eyed and gushing…But things soon turned..Listening, gathering clues..You think you know or understand where or who the comments come from- Think again…How can you judge someone like that?? it is fucking foolish..Truth is, since I’m so passionate and critical, it does feel unconfortable at times to say certain things…But it is what I fucking think!!!! Censors are cowards…And i dont waste my nerves and time following the comments that cum after mine…I dont care!!!! Already seen how that goes..Feeling out the intelligence of the blathering…some fine and good, others bullshit mawkishness…so whatever…I totally agree about the awful slaughter of animals…it is sickening …And yet when Im really hungry I fucking eat meat of some kind…And I love to eat fish=Transubstantiation.Remember? And yes I have fish as pets outside in my pond..and yes they have souls, and I love them- and yes they have been killed and eaten over and over by racoons and predators ( the moring of 9-11 I found my 5 year old collection of fish decapitated- all 7 of em- strewn about the lawn) And i cried and felt sick …and still eat fish….Life is confusing. D~$*

  89. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 2:54 pm #

    Right on, Steve. I can’t believe the ignorance out there about how food is produced. Go shoot your own cow, carnivores! I’ve been a veggie for 17 years and I feel pretty fine.


  90. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 3:02 pm #

    Oh yeah, and speaking of animals, Big Kitty loves ya, Steve! Even more than Motorhead! Go show him some love

  91. avatar
    nickfiction | 10 February 2007 at 3:05 pm #

    i aint gonna make no argument on meat this morning , but i will comment on how much i like reptile accoustic

  92. avatar
    nickfiction | 10 February 2007 at 3:16 pm #

    sk i could nt help but add…….. usually after a sucessful stint ( the tour etc ) and that kind of general success, im not sure why all the negativity…….. still a fan / dont piss people off too bad/ i just dropped thirty bucks on your new acc.

  93. avatar
    Melquiades | 10 February 2007 at 3:25 pm #

    I’m Sorry

    I’d like to say I am sorry for my input here on this subject, specifically in regards to the personal trials on SK’s behalf. I shouldn’t have went down that road (That’s the past and there is such a thing as double jeopardy). There is the truth that – if you scrutinize enough – we all contribute to some sort of degradation of society, though. Hell, just about all of us burn the fossil fuels, right? We heat and cool our homes, si? It would make your head spin to avoid all the moral pitfalls that have befallen our society (they’ve been around centuries. nothing new). I’m not saying that we just give in, but temper with wisdom not extremism. And, to exclude people for their dietary choices wreaks of a cyberspace dictatorship.

    I do agree that the meat industry – in order to satisfy the demand – has become barbaric in it’s ways and means. In fact, I was Lacto-ovo- vegetarian for some years (though there was little dairy consumed). And I do consider returning.

    But, if you want people to see the “light” on your beliefs, I believe compassion and patience are the best of ways for change. not snobbery, exclusionism, hate, pettiness.

    Can we all just get along?

  94. avatar
    Melquiades | 10 February 2007 at 3:45 pm #


    That’s very conscientious of you to scrutinize your consumables. It’s difficult in this mass production, hidden ingredient society we live in, you know?

  95. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 3:52 pm #

    Vegtables that feel pain!

    Meat babies born without brains ?

    Road kill 4 dinna. (hey slow down)

    Where will it end ?

    I sure hope no one out there is confusing me with Centuryhouse Daniel.

    I sure hope Camera4eyes dosen’t eat 3 year old children.


    To avoid confusion I’d like to change my name to Daniel12.


  96. avatar
    salim nourallah | 10 February 2007 at 4:23 pm #

    about 7 years ago i was watching a show on public television about conditions in the meat factories. it made me so sick to my stomach that i quit eating it immediately. the thought became instantly repulsive. i wish all the folks in meat denial could see what goes on before the beast feast makes it to their plate – it’s so wretched and vile it might change your mind. if it didn’t – well then at least you’ve made your own choice instead of just going along with what society tells you is “ok”

  97. avatar
    Con | 10 February 2007 at 4:37 pm #

    So many industries but we dont have to live by all of them.We all have cars, hop on flights, use the media, wear clothes and consume power.Industry everywhere.
    The meat industry I happily do not support. The dairy industry…no thanks either.Why? because it sickens me, it’s perverse.
    Its not easy living in this world. You have to make some pretty tough decisions about what your gonna lend your name to and what your not.
    Good luck everyone?

  98. avatar
    fantasticandy | 10 February 2007 at 5:36 pm #

    steve said:
    ‘we aint talking a deer in a forest n a bow n arrow
    we aint talking a hunter who understands n respects his quarry
    we’re talking about the systematic horrific mutilation of a million beasts every day’.
    some people don’t have the options
    that we lucky folk do.
    we have a choice.
    if someone can supply me with a few
    tips on how to produce tasty meals
    with the same nutritional value
    as meat(on a normal working family
    budget)then i’ll go for it.
    i guess if you have to eat other creatures ,then you have to,
    it’s no use beating yourselves
    up over it.
    but if you don’t have to eat meat,
    if you really don’t have to,
    should you?
    i eat loads and loads of it.
    but is it right?
    we are omnivores after all.
    andy L.

  99. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 February 2007 at 6:10 pm #

    people confuse
    advice for command
    passion with aggression
    murder with priviledge
    survival with panic
    habit for character
    want and need
    violence for peace
    stubbornness for fortitude
    life for death

    we are all one
    we are in everything
    in all of our lives
    we are pure and perfect
    we are the universe
    we are infinite
    we are one


  100. avatar
    ambnt1 | 10 February 2007 at 6:47 pm #


    Yes, why all the negativity after the tour? (see above comment) All of a sudden every time I visit your blog, insults are being hurled, opinions rammed down my throat. Perhaps your heart is in the right place but your methods are extreme. What’s next, an anti-abortion rant? I’ll be God-damned if I’m gonna be lectured to about eating meat, abortion, religion, or politics. When I read this garbage I don’t like you, either.


    n.p. nothing

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