posted on June 15, 2007 at 9:29 pm

killer /prospero wakes early
its saturday morning
the storm has returned in spades
the females all sleep on
miranda at a rock festival in sweden
elli in the country house in sweden
eve n aurora cuddle up in their darkened room here
aurora loves rabbits squirrels n chipmunks
an olde friend suzanne comes over for dinner
out of the blue
i say to suzanne
what kind of animal do you think aurora is
without missing a beat
she laughs and says oh a bunny!
the whole family has a good laugh
even scarlet who doesnt know exactly why
but she enjoys a giggle so what the hell…
i suggest we recreate the mad hatters tea party scene
evie as the hatter…shes as nutty as a fruitcake
plus the hat would look good on her curls
aurora is a shoe-in for the march hare
if we can get her long pigtails to stand up straight
her front teeth are big n white
and she has the slightly reticent manner of a rabbit
her skin is impossibly tawny and her hair is blonde
a palomino rabbit
scarlet is definitely the dor-mouse
didja know lewis carroll saw a wombat
at his friends house who was a oxford zoologist
to him it looked like a giant sleeping mouse
and they are nocturnal beasts so it woulda been sleeping
the days carroll dropped by
anyway scarlet could be that sleepy silly dormouse easy
nk would be alice of course……
(hmmm…actually how appropriate)
of course im that olde caterpillar with that hookah-pipe
stoned n supercilious
hopefully turning into a fuckin’ butterfly soon
like in that episode of doctor who
where these people start to get these mutations
the others cast em out
but theyre turning into the next stage of life
becoming something new n marvellous
but the ones who havent changed yet
well, they villify those in transition
and it reminds of me
of something some “wag” on the comments section wrote yessaday
if we all gave up meat the world would somehow miraculously change
mister, i believe it would…
so there you go
even “wags” come up with the occaisional profound thing
not that ive any thing against “wags”
but he was saying it facetiously
while it is actually the troof
last nite watched fast food nation
an american film
i tell ya if ya still fancy a hamburger
slip this on at dinnertime
itll go down a treat
as yer burgers coming back up
dont ya love a little faecal content in yer mince meat?
lovely scenes in the slaughterhouse
oh thats humanity at its finest
up to its knees in some poor beasts blood n shit
the end result being some disgusting “pattie”
full of …..what?
full of what?
everything , my little pigs
full of everything
everything you can imagine
and some poor bloated ignorant sucker
shovels it down his or hers gullet
and it makes em so sick in their belly
in their soul
in their heart
you just cannot believe it
and we will be judged most harshly by future generations
im not getting off this soapbox
so ridicule me if ya want
but the jokes really on the carni-vores
except that the joke aint funny….
the storm is raging n roaring outside
the kids all have gotten up
which makes it harder to concentrate
so im gonna disappear here
into this angry violent storm
which is lashing this town
and all its people

68 Responses to “the tempest”

  1. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 June 2007 at 10:43 pm #

    And off ya go with your lovely daughters. Shelter them well from the storm. Happy Fater’s Day Daddy-o!

  2. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 June 2007 at 10:45 pm #

    FATHER with an H

  3. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 June 2007 at 10:51 pm #

    Twas Brillig…..thanks{not shanks}……..take care in this storm..all o you….please?!…..did someone ask for rain?….its comin on again……love and warmth….genx xxxxxxxx

  4. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 June 2007 at 10:53 pm #

    It’s nice to spend the day indoors, warm and cosy with the family (but SO hard to keep kids occupied all day too!). Have a beautiful weekend sk, whatever you get up to in stormy Bondi. maybe post a few photos of the storm from that now famous kitchen window of yours, I miss your pics.
    love always,

  5. avatar
    the dean | 15 June 2007 at 10:56 pm #

    I’m constantly amazed at the negitivity the general populous has towards people who don’t eat meat. vegetarians shoud be admired for lessening sufferingin the world.

  6. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 June 2007 at 10:58 pm #

    Yes, a few pix would be tops. Go roving reporter for us in Bondi so the world can see your beloved turf at it’s tempestuous best.

    I’m gonna take my gals out for a stomp in the puddles and watch their long hair whip around their faces in the wind.

    Whatever is in the air this morning….I like it!


  7. avatar
    dean9000 | 16 June 2007 at 12:25 am #

    no sand castles on the beach today eh? Well there’s always tomorrow…Off to Friday practice and a few brews after a long week at work…take care sk and if I don’t talk to ya tomorrow happy father’s day…

  8. avatar
    dean9000 | 16 June 2007 at 12:31 am #

    BTW just out of curiosity what year is your jazz bass? I was trying to score a ’72 /w an amp for 2 bills on craigslist… absolute steal …alas I suspect I am too late though… peace

  9. avatar
    J Street | 16 June 2007 at 12:43 am #

    We can’t quite figure this whole meat thing out. The Jews do the kosher thing, the slaughterhouses are wrong, of course, but the human mouth is where the mess is. You have incisors for biting and you have molars for grinding. Evolution gave us a molar that is supposed to make us wise but all it does is sink into the corner of the mouth unused.

    I have long thought about giving up meat, just because I do accept that the sick feeling is real. I’d very much like to start feeling better and healthier and I think the culprit really is the meat that is put into the body. It ain’t meat taken and cleaned and blessed in sterile conditions and cooked beyond recognition. We have poisons flowing everywhere because The Man knows he can inject poison everywhere, hide behind a dozen soulless lawyers, and change his name and line of work and go right back to shooting poison into whatever he wants to shoot it into for that extra dollar bill.

    Killer, you’re converting me and I read you for ideas on how to live and how to be creative and how to be a better human. You need not give us gossip and war stories of touring and plunking along on the bass–your commentary on how to actually fucking live is pretty useful too.

    J Street

  10. avatar
    tim | 16 June 2007 at 12:49 am #



  11. avatar
    mattdavison | 16 June 2007 at 1:03 am #

    I am not worried about the meat debate..just think of those homeless people of Sidders on the sreets hungry FREEZING COLD DESPRERATE))))))..meat, salad roll, snickers bar,

    just feed the people!!! Muse……………………use yr pay pal cashies sk & make a box of good vege yummies and take it down to the Salvy army, maybe the famb can make some stuff Eh!!

    Don’t really wanna hear too much more about the vegee-meaty thingee!!

    Kinda Mmmmmm, Self indulgent (perhaps)

    The real MD

    Oh BTW when I used to work in a crap bar in central Melb..The Apartment 4 those who might Know (on Lil Burke Street) The gezzers running the joint put on Eltons dancing Danza song ever night at closing…Mann It really pissed me off!! So I would brave the icy evenings and stand outside till it finished -YUCKO

    eLTON was good (capt Fan era.. now he’s just a big gay fairy.

  12. avatar
    tim | 16 June 2007 at 1:31 am #

    hey matt davidson…

    isn’t murdering your meal
    the ultimate self indulgence?

  13. avatar
    tim | 16 June 2007 at 1:43 am #

    speaking of indulgence

    former french president. Francios Mitterrand as he was dying had a last meal it is told with many friends
    on the menu for the
    guest of honour about to leave this
    mortal coil
    but a endagered bird an aristi cratic delicacy…

    word is he took his napkin
    and covered his plate and
    head simultaniously as to savour the aroma

    is this not the definition of evil?

    are there degrees of evil?

    are you as evil as Mitterrand?

    Or just McMittrrand?


  14. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 1:44 am #

    Haven’t had a chance to read yon blogge for afew days and wow, the argy bargys back.
    Ratings have sky rocketed. Too much to read to comment on, but if I had of you can probably guess what I woulda had to say. But hey, we’re all entitled to our own opinions, very boring world if we were all the same, surely go insane.

    Loved the one about the Accountant, gave me a much needed laugh. Mr Accountant, knock knock knocking on sk’s door. Yes, you’re very naughty. Dontcha loose your cents of humour. You brighen up our days.

    Stay warm.

    Peace & love

  15. avatar
    daniel12 | 16 June 2007 at 2:16 am #

    Hey Tim 11.31
    Matt made a valid point.
    It’s very easy to take the vego higher ground from a vegie cafe comfort zone. Homeless and hungry people don’t have this luxury.
    I’m mostly vegetarian (Occasional seafood) but I was once a homeless guy who slept outdoors. I tell you vegetarian ethics are hard to hold on to when your dirty damp and hungry. You think ya will but ya won’t and don’t say ya would unless you’ve been there. Most of the food donated to the homeless is going to go in the bin if it’s not eaten anyway. Nowadays I can afford to eat according to my ethics but I’d be a loathsome hippocrite to preach vegetairianism to someone who’s down on there luck.

  16. avatar
    lily was here | 16 June 2007 at 2:40 am #

    Good on you for being fun and silly and imaginative with your kids, there should be more of it in kids lives. Funortunately a shame you didnt get a snapshot to share! The wind does strange things to animals, children and… musicians x

  17. avatar
    tim | 16 June 2007 at 3:25 am #

    like those plane survivors in the high andes mountians
    eating the flesh of their
    former plane mates
    when there is no other choice entirely circumstance of survival
    that doesn’t exist among anyone reading this as last i check homeless are seldomly
    eqipt with black berry or
    laptop so giv yer head a shake.

  18. avatar
    restaurant mark | 16 June 2007 at 3:47 am #

    yeah, you’re definately the caterpillar…

  19. avatar
    Noel Christian | 16 June 2007 at 4:39 am #

    ODDLY enough…

    I gave a speech to a crowd of 200+ last Sunday (worker’s rights, etc.). The press was there. My little brother suggested I should address them as ‘You wags in the media’.

    Maybe next time.

  20. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 5:08 am #


    it does get hard to take.
    your scorn for meat eaters
    it seems a bit over the top. considering the harm that you have done to yourself and loved ones with your lifestyle choices.
    at the end of the day
    in the hospital or in the nursing home
    your choices will cost the community as much as anyone else who has lived and died


  21. avatar
    malcolm arkey | 16 June 2007 at 5:40 am #

    “the ripples on the stream distorted the fish, the stones groaned”

    hey matt davison,
    – i do believe i actually agree with you today…even just to mention the homeless and to bring that uncomfortable concept into people’s minds is a good thing…thanks

  22. avatar
    scott | 16 June 2007 at 5:55 am #

    heart disease n meat……those numbers have already been counted n meat eaters loose every time

  23. avatar
    daniel12 | 16 June 2007 at 6:02 am #

    Hey Tim 1.25

    I said i “was once” a homeless person , as in past tence. No i didn’t eat human flesh I ate some chicken and veggie pies past there use by date. They were handed out at a meal truck and they didn’t have tofu burgers. C’mon geezer everyone here knows this TTB vegie debate leads to rating scoring argy bargy. Nevets is the shock jock of veganisim. I’m just playing along. In real life i’m actually regarded by some as a bit of an animal lib extreamist. I throw cockroaches out the window rather than kill them. I avoid trodding on ants. Just don’t take me seriously regarding TTB Vegie debates. I think comming across as preachy and judgemental puts people off and plays into the hands of the enemy (the meat industry).
    I also think young Matt is showing signs of getting over his case of churchametreosis nobandcomescloseis. In Matts case it was a terrible affliction and the healing process should be encouraged.

  24. avatar
    princeton_reverb | 16 June 2007 at 6:11 am #


    that was priceless…he he

  25. avatar
    The Carni-Omni Club | 16 June 2007 at 6:26 am #

    “Just a quick note to say that after reading today’s blog and watching the film ‘Madagascar’ we’ve decided that we were very very wrong and very bad and we’ve decided to become vegetarians.
    Sorry for all the things we killed.

    Yours shamefully,

    the panthers, the jaguars, the lions, the tigers, the cheetahs, the jackals, the dingos, the pussycats, the eagles, the falcons, the hawks, the piranhas, the sharks, the seals, the fish, the snakes, the frogs, the tasmanian devils…et al.”

  26. avatar
    600 Naughty Plants Association | 16 June 2007 at 6:41 am #

    Venus Fly-Trap : ” I don’t mind a bitta meat meself, and I’m a plant”

    Pitcher Plant : “Too right”

    Sundew : “I agree with ya, Venus”

    Nepenthes : “Me too”

    Amorphophallus titanum : “Very, very tasty indeed”

    Nymphaeaceae : “Us beautiful enchantresses love to scoff down a bit of flesh when you humans backs are turned”

  27. avatar
    woolfie. | 16 June 2007 at 6:44 am #

    I really admire vegetarians, their conviction, their discipline. I simply know I can’t do it. I love the taste of medium rare red meat too much.

    I tried being a vegetarian once, lasted 2 weeks before I felt tired and withdrawn. Once I sunk my teeth into a fine wee slab of lean eye fillet I realised that without meat my balance was off.

    I’m with Matt Davison on the feed the people comment. I once drunkenly told a homeless person (who was very polite and well spoken about his asking for money) that I didn’t have any cash but if he walked 50m with me I would buy him McDonalds of his choice as it just happened to be where I was going in my stooper. He did not choose a salad. He wanted two Quarter Pounders and a Bigmac. His food in hand he radiated a huge smile… Ronaldesque… I did feel guilty though. My mind began to wonder “what if his body isn’t used to that much crap food and it kills him? Would I be up for manslaughter?” I’m sure he was fine. Animal slaughter perhaps but that is not yet criminalised.

    Luckily we don’t have the problems that the American fast food industry has. America has huge problems in general but I honestly don’t think the meat patties are their highest priority. Our meat factories are not under as much pressure. Recent tests (in NZ anyway) showed our fast food industry to be of a very high calibre. Not that this means fast food is good. Ours is still full of preservatives and chemical bull – just no shit.

    I do feel for the E-coli poisoned public in the States because as Bono decrees “We are all on the same team… Humanity.”

    SK, have you eaten much fast food in your time? I’m trying to figure out if the preservatives are a contributor to good skin?

    I hate fast food, especially for the fact that sometimes when I am hungry my mind says “Boy I feel like a Whopper!” Admittedly I am brainwashed but as a particpant in the commercial arena I can’t help but admire the method. I did like Bruce Willis’ line in the film… “We all have to eat a little shit from time to time!”
    All in all feed the people. Eat anything you like just not other people.
    done. woolfie.
    SK, NZ, FKyeah!

  28. avatar
    ~ | 16 June 2007 at 7:30 am #

    oh vegan rants
    how do I adore thee
    let me count the ways…
    1. people will examine their beliefs on this topic, and relate personal experience in an attempt to validate themselves
    some will agree meat less is best
    some will get defensive
    and continue to poison themselves
    and our planet
    but eveyone will think about their stance on consuming animals, and consuming in general
    2. this does lead to other critical concerns, such as homelessness, mattd, daniel12, the limitation of choices for those who cannot purchase food at all-it is well known that many of the homeless are mentally unstable and quality food is the first medicine…so again the poor suffer cause candy is cheaper than veggies in many parts of the world…
    3. supply and demand, the good and the evil of this position, as consumers, we are ultimately response able for what is offered in the market place, as more people stop consuming animals…less people will find it a viable economic venture to torture, maim, use and/or kill them
    or maybe even realise
    it’s just plain
    I am hope full it won’t be too late, what an incredible amount of stress raising animals for slaughter/production places on our environment, and the karmic implications…
    I’ve always thought it strange that although most folks in merica won’t buy products tested on animals (a practise being lessened-not stopped, unfortunately-due to consumer awareness) they’ll buy their kiddies a happy meal-
    sure ya could sum it all up
    and say that
    we are what we eat
    c’mon ya all know I love zee long posts, and I luv ya all

    genxxxxxxx, sweeeet tea! warmth and warm regards, if tha shoe fits, zappa toes…call me ~ , , , ,thanks for zee invite, I’ve always wished to photograph a faerie

  29. avatar
    fantasticandy | 16 June 2007 at 7:50 am #

    i don’t think nevets was ‘having a go’ today at all.
    just being informative.
    a lot of people out there are eating shit,
    actual shit.
    you wanna eat shit?
    the only difference in nutritional terms between the general populace and the homeless?………
    most of you get a huge bellyfull of shit on a daily basis……
    and they just get tossed the ocasional turd.
    it’s a system…
    those who HAVE a choice are THE ONLY ONES who can make a difference for those who do not have such luxury.
    in this world today it would appear that even the friendliest, indeed most sagely advice, even though delivered in a non-judgemental and uncondesending fashion just generates indignation.
    the homeless…yeah, bad news.
    but is’nt that,like err..another subject?
    a splendid weekend to all!
    andy L.

  30. avatar
    fantasticandy | 16 June 2007 at 7:57 am #

    when you you ain’t being ‘aiery-faerie'(although you are indeed fey and fair),
    you don’t half make a lot of sense!
    take care,
    andy L.

  31. avatar
    melquiades | 16 June 2007 at 8:17 am #

    let me put my 2 cents in.

    woooooolfeee, you’re an idiot. You’ve moved me to tears of mediocrity.

  32. avatar
    Trickster | 16 June 2007 at 8:55 am #

    oooh rules

    they jus keep people in check
    whether objec or subjec

    a heinous diet
    in a heinous world

    a glorious life

  33. avatar
    daniel12 | 16 June 2007 at 9:10 am #

    Hi Fantasticany 5.50

    And apologies to anyone who thinks i’ve made too many comments today.

    It’s just that (1) the weathers crap today and (2) This subject really gets me going.

    First of all I agree that it’s a system.

    However I don’t think that the limited choices of the homeless are a seperate issue.

    To me at least the homeless are at the bottom end of a huge grey area in between —- (a)Those who have total choice regarding what they consume (the reasonably well off in vego frendly area’s ) and (b)those with very limited choice (the homeless). In between there are many shades of grey. These include battlers on the fringes trying to support families on limited means and geezers doing hard physical work in areas where proper vego meals aint availible.
    Again i think Matt made a valid point regarding those with enlightenment and choice.
    His comment today really made me think. I used to be at the bottom of the system but now i’m somewhere in between. But what am I doing about it???. To tell the truth not much. I’ve felt so scared by my past i’ve kept it in the don’t wanna deal with it basket. It shouldn’t be there anymore i’m a vegie suburb cop out.
    Why should a tofu burger cost more than a slice of animal that’s been grown in an (inhumane) meat factory?. It shouldn’t and through the power of choice we should do something about it.
    Say no to that $9.50 tofu burger ! Veggie treats for the homeless i say ! .. Matts got me thinkin. If I haven’t acted on this by next you hear from me i’m fulla shit. Perhaps literally….

  34. avatar
    ~ | 16 June 2007 at 9:49 am #

    yep the homeless
    whadda bunch of “bad news” they are
    I work with a gleaners program
    this involves picking up pull dated food from local groceries and sorting it
    bagging it
    distributing it
    it’s really disgusting to see what and how much has to be thrown away
    speaking of systems…
    to qualify to receive these groceries
    you (and or family) must be below poverty level
    we serve the homeless as well
    we are considerate about what we bring to their tables
    although we do not turn away meat products, it is rare to get them
    we do offer some choices to those that otherwise would have few
    this means:
    we do not accept “junk” food
    we pick up mostly organic veggies, fruits and organic bread, tofu and protein mixes, baby formula, etc
    and the welfare moms who can barely afford anything other than boxed nutritionally void crap
    all those ADD kids with something in their bellies that makes them feel full but fails to keep them healthy
    hmm… I suppose thats got nothing at all to do with what we are eating
    does it…
    well thanks soooo much then
    if I’m a complete idiot
    at least ya think I look good

  35. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 10:07 am #

    have taken care of myself since the age of 14……my parents divorced….my step father{a nasty alcoholic} was not an option for living with… mother moved to another state to re marry,and without blinking,pretended to have no children….i worked 3 jobs whilst trying to put myself through school…..i forged documents,to lie to get jobs {singing and or stripping in clubs }and to “be 18,so as to be able to rent a place to live …..{though i may have been on the street proverbially,i maintained a roof over my head,and a vego diet}….i have had an incredible life and am blessed in soo many ways. believe me,am no fool,but i love openly and dont harbour resentment{so far ago now,my childhood cant hurt me from that distance}…….i lost most of my eyesight during childbirth{a pregnancy and obviously the consequencial birth process of MY choice,whichI would not change,for anything in this world or out of it}..i understand grand and unconditional love …..and through all of my lines of work and my experiences…..i am probably “wise” am also full of hope and love for the future…as scarey as it can seem for all of us.individually hence collectively,we can make a difference …..and if i havent proven the power ofindividual/collective impact to you i dunno what to do next….except HYPNOTIZ YOU ALL WITH DANCE!!!!!………love,truly.genx xxxxxxxxx

  36. avatar
    jennifer | 16 June 2007 at 10:12 am #

    so ya wonder why veleskas a saint
    and you ain’t
    I rarely think this about others
    I do regret
    ever introducing myself to you
    so don’t wish me peace dude
    if you aren’t willing to give it
    what a temmm,errr pest ya are

  37. avatar
    Luka | 16 June 2007 at 10:41 am #

    ummm…I’m not trying to rev anyone up here…I just want to know…

    Are you folks saying that it is the livestock farming industry and associated meat industries that are wrong – OR – are you saying that it is even just the killing of an animal that is wrong ??

  38. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 10:48 am #

    ANDY L…..I dont know if that jennifer was talking to you…..but she wasnt ME… name is actually genevieve anyway…..or ,,,,,,,………whoever it was directed to… was not from GENX….love genx xxxxxxxxx

  39. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 11:24 am #

    I think that if you’re going to eat meat then you should at least have access to all of the facts. I guess we have to ask ourselves why we don’t have easy acces to those facts, because if the meat undustry were so sure of it’s ground wouldn’t it be happy to show us exactly how the products they sell are produced. I think it was Paul McCartney who said that if slaughterhouses had glass walls then we’d all be vegetarians.

    My mum worked in a butchers shop and there was a slaughterhouse next door to it. Some of the stories she told me about what went off in there were real eye openers, mainly to do with animals getting generally roughed up by the guys doing the killing. I stopped eating meat when, by chance, I came across a cattle market in Malton, North Yorkshire. Cows were penned in behind steel grills and they’d had fairly large holes punched through their ears so they could be tagged. It was a pretty distressing sight, not helped by the apparant relish with which the cattle hands were rough handling the animals. I know, I should have done something, and that I’m as complicit in the whole horror as the German civilians in 1944 who knew about the camps but did nothing. I did stop eating meat to extract myself from the regime, but maybe I should do more?

    Try the book In Defense Of Animals – the Second Wave, edited by Peter Singer. It covers the whole gamut of meat from the ethics of treating animals as equal/ inferior to humans to direct action against animal experimentation labs. Some of the issues and facts are quite astounding. I’m not saying don’t eat meat, that’s up to you, I’m just saying don’t promote it or feel smug about what you’re doing unless you’ve got all the facts.

  40. avatar
    Woolfie2 | 16 June 2007 at 11:27 am #

    Hi Steve, nice post today.

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    fantasticandy | 16 June 2007 at 11:53 am #

    dear genx,
    love to you too!
    i was trying to give someone else a compliment and it seems to have been completly misunderstood.
    i am barely articulate at times,
    it’s almost certainly my own fault.
    but it appears to me that many people here WANT to find fault in ANYTHING i say.

    i was not trying to make light of your past experience of homelesness, or indeed of anyone who has been or is going through such awfull times.
    i wasn’t trying to sidestep an important issue,
    i agree,
    it is a major and shameful problem worldwide.
    the point i was trying to make was in defense of steve,
    i am fully aware that the poor have little choice and have to settle for what they can afford.
    i think killer was trying to say was, that in a better world not run by corrupt industry and with better food education, our culture would change and the choice would be there for the less ‘well-off’.
    once again,
    a fine weekend to you all,
    andy L.

    sorry about the delay! i dropped another one in the post acouple of days ago.
    fingers crossed this time!

  42. avatar
    davem | 16 June 2007 at 12:12 pm #

    I loved the Mad Hatter Tea Party story. The kids sound great.
    I think a number of fiends need a bit of a weekend chill?! Jen, I think you misread Andy’s post? He wasn’t being nasty, matey. I’ll open a beer to you Jennifer and send you, Andy, all fiends and of course the inimitiable SK lots of weekend lurve.


  43. avatar
    fantasticandy | 16 June 2007 at 12:28 pm #

    cheers dave!
    yov’e just cheered me up no end,
    sometimes i wonder what the hell’s going on here!
    you are one of the few ‘voices of reason’.
    i applaud you sir!

    by the way how did your bro’ get on?

  44. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 12:54 pm #

    i just think sk has no need or desire for meat in his life. other people live in different circumstances. homeless folks for instance cannot really make “good” choices about their daily mealplan.
    ah, but those who can, those who live in big nasty cities, with decent jobs, they have a choice. and this is the crux…….


  45. avatar
    Tim | 16 June 2007 at 1:05 pm #

    Daniel12 I agree with you you have posted too many times…just kidding..i have as well. See I never said i disagreed with Matt D’s comments regards homeless..
    however to suggest it is self indulgent to debate veg and meat diets, that i disagree..

    I know all too well what it like to live in poverty, with hunger. I’ve sailed that ship. And yes now that i can afford to be ethical about what i eat
    i am. As 95 percent of the worlds population can be if the choose to be but they choose, with their carni vor ways they have yet to evolve to a new level of humanity. One that understand, and respects life. story yesterday out of california about 4 dolphins that were shot to death. My point is most rational meat eating people will be shocked by such a thing yet display an enormous amount of hipocracy by later the same day mowing down a burger. As for the homeless, they have no other choice. But most of us do, and we make them eveyday. dirty filty carni vors…evolve already

  46. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 1:23 pm #

    my, my. so many here with the oratory gift of persuasion.

  47. avatar
    davem | 16 June 2007 at 1:41 pm #

    Cheers Andy.
    My Bro totally bombed!!! But he did it to help raise his profile and pay off a few debts. So, I suppose it wasn’t a total disaster.
    BTW Batemans do a fine range of Vegan ales….heartily recommended.
    I’m afraid that I can’t face the homeless debate in my weekend time. I’ve worked in social housing for 22 years and I live it 50 hours per week, it wears me out. For context within British social policy the Shelter website would tell people anything they need to know.
    Evening all.


  48. avatar
    verdelay | 16 June 2007 at 1:54 pm #

    Nice to eat
    (I mean meat)
    Somebody knew

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    eek | 16 June 2007 at 1:55 pm #

    Your tea party recreation made me smile. How wonderful for the kids…hell how wonderful for the adults. It’s so cool you do things like this with your family, and what makes even more special (to me anyway) is that I bet it doesn’t occur to you that you shouldn’t. (Your descriptions of everyone are fantastic too 🙂 )

    some “wag” on the comments section wrote yessaday
    if we all gave up meat the world would somehow miraculously change
    mister, i believe it would…

    I pondered this for a while and the more I think about it the more I think you are right about this. I do think that in addition to the health, environmental, and economic benefits, removing the collective callousness the mass produced meat industry requires could only be beneficial. Obviously, as with any major social and/or economic change there would be people who would gain and people who would lose. I do realise that people who currently produce and process meat would be out of their current jobs, but in just my lifetime the pressure to keep the supply of meat cheap and plentiful has already squeezed many of the people in those positions to the point where they are barely making a living. So the callousness I mentioned extends not only to the treatment of the animals, but also to the people who actually produce and process it every step of the way. To the farmer who has to cut every corner to make any profit. To the slaughterhouse workers who, unless they are sick bastards in the first place, have to detach from the horror of what they do. Honestly, think how soul destroying that work has to be. In assembly line meat processing plants repetitive motion injuries are common and because the work is considered unskilled labor and many of the workers are undocumented the injuries often go untreated. After all, there are plenty more people where those come from. Certainly someone is making a killing from meat production, but it isn’t generally the people most directly involved with it.

    So while it would be initially painful for those affected by a lack of meat production I do think the cessation of meat production would be a positive step in the evolution of the human species.

    As for meat substitutes often being more expensive than meat — well, yeah, they are. But a great deal of that is because so many people now eating vegetarian were raised eating meat and have become accustomed to the taste and texture of meat. An acquaintance who was raised vegetarian (but now occasionally does eat some meat) told me he finds the taste and texture of many meats unsettling and often unsatisfying — much the same way people raised eating meat find meat substitutes. I also think the cravings for meat are acquired, not instinctive. So if children raised not eating meat there wouldn’t be the need to make meat substitutes, there would only need to be foods which provide suitable types of protein. Therefore, because the food wouldn’t have to approximate meat, it would be less processed (which in itself would be good) and less expensive.

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    eek | 16 June 2007 at 2:01 pm #

    oh…I didn’t mean to imply that you should feel you shouldn’t do things such as your Alice in Wonderland recreation, SK. What I meant is that many people do feel they shouldn’t do such things and therefore miss out on many of the things you get to experience.

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    mtv | 16 June 2007 at 2:02 pm #

    j street – just think of the new found vilaity you’ll have once the meat and dairy residues have left your system. Seriously, you’ll feel amazing.

    mattdavison – like Andy L., i too feel that the homeless are a whole different subject. still, If someone doesn’t have a choice in what they eat, i’d never expect him or her to not eat meat. In general terms however, if you do have the choice, there’s no need to eat animal products. It’s simply about minimising your support of the animal products industry as much as you can. Btw, i’m not sure you used the correct word before when you said SK was being somewhat “self-indulgent”. Surely you meant ‘altruistic’?

    daniel12 – it’s funny that the veg lifestyle is seen as a luxury, because basically it’s a much cheaper diet than your average meat diet. A bit of lentils, a bit of rice, and a carrot or two are way more economical than a piece of steak. But yes, if you’re totally destitute and someone buys you a big mac, it would be madness to say ‘sorry sir, vegies only’. No one’s saying die before you eat meat. No one’s expecting you to be impractical.

    leanne – not quite right. A vegetarian’s choices will cost the community and its environment far less than the average carnivore’s choices.

    carni-omni club – clever, at first glance. but on second glance, those animals are natural carnivores. Human animals are not.

    woolfie – there is a concept in Ayurveda, called Praghyaparadh, meaning the mistake of the intellect. Basically this is a condition in which the body has been exposed to the wrong kind of food for so long that it has consequently lost its ability to discriminate between what tastes and therefore is good for the body, and what tastes bad and therefore is bad for you. I used to like meat too. Now the taste of meat reminds me of a sweaty old sock.
    Yes, unfortunately animals still don’t have any legal rights. But remember, there was a time when men thought women had no rights either…

    luka – the killing of any living being is wrong. Therefore anything associated with the act of killing is wrong also.

    A good comment was made about the complicity of civilians in Nazi-Germany. Those who didn’t speak up for those who couldn’t defend themselves. Vegan/ Vegatarians do just that: they speak up for the voiceless. And if someone out there doesn’t like it, or feels annoyed, or thinks it’s too over the top, too extreme, or whatever, well, we really don’t care.

    SK – RE: previous days’ blogs, yes, you really are funny when you’re angry. made me laugh man!

  52. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 2:09 pm #

    Eat meat and ruin your feet!

  53. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 2:10 pm #

    Every time SK says something about veggie-ism on his blog, “wags” decide it’s time for a debate. Uh, it’s been done before…

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    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 2:55 pm #

    i have nothing to say on the debate of eating meat other than to say i could eat my lover up on a bed of passion with a side order of hormones…oh i burn tonight my friends…i taste his kisses as i write this and i feel the warmth of his flesh…i burn in my own private hell and oh it feels so GOOD…
    -The Hellbound Heart

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    JJ | 16 June 2007 at 2:58 pm #

    Have not seen “Fast Food Nation,” but this definitely is one here in this country of factory farms, hormone-fed animals for slaughter, laced with antibiotics for full flavor. I did go meatless to a degree quite a few years back, but haven’t made the full leap due to liking for fish and shrimp/prawns. The Cattlemen’s Assoc. has taken to TV and print adverts to convince people to return to beef. Did see “Supersize Me,” another good flick with laser-sharp commentary on this fast-food gluttonfest going on. We’re all paying for the aftereffects in medical bills/premiums.

    Send us a storm; we’re parched. A normally wet time of year has gone dry; the landscape cries out for rain.

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    Mel | 16 June 2007 at 2:58 pm #

    I injured a living being the other day. It was purely unintentional, but asz I strolled down this monoxide choked boulevard an unsuspecting creature of god found it’s way under my soul and I inadvertantly stepped on it. poor ant. I laid there weeping for hours until these nice little gentlemen with white coats came along and took me to a very nice hotel. The walls were quilted and the corners were round.

  57. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 3:08 pm #

    MTV = Militant Totalitarian Vegan

  58. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 3:21 pm #

    MTV, the NMA has your dossier.

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    Altres | 16 June 2007 at 3:27 pm #

    Love the tea party scenario, genuinely made me laugh out loud thinking of you sitting on a big mushroom billowing out smokey dreams of becoming a beautiful butterfly, changing the world with one flap of your wings. Careful though, it may cause a storm somewhere.

    One thing though, Steve, don’t let the arseholes and putrid cunts get to you. In every bowl of roses there are always pricks. People with no talent other than spewing forth their vitriolic and obstreperous shit. I’m not sure whether they feel like David throwing stones at Goliath or it just makes them feel better about their own patheticness to ridicule and disparage others with their bile and scorn. Either way, it is them who are luxuriating in their own future karmic hits. Nothing that ever happens goes fully unwitnessed.

    Fuck ’em, fuck ’em all.

    Hope you’re braving that storm out, and love to you and your family from me and my family.


  60. avatar
    Emily Teechen | 16 June 2007 at 4:31 pm #

    After much deliberation, and not without the dread of putting more indestructible plastic in the world that will be cluttering up some landfill long after my children’s children have passed away, I bought my first pair of synthetic gym shoes today.

  61. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 4:39 pm #

    I am afraid there is no hope for us creatures on Planet Doom. What a schizo reality we live in…the sad truth is there are too many god-forsaken people on this god-forsaken planet…and too many wanton and violent ones at that. The duplicity rages on…steeped in denial and drug use…just to survive this nightmare…are you really a witness??? I dunno, I’ve met about 98% cruel and ego-driven assholes in this world of ours….some wear thick disguises—Learn to SEE ( as Don Juan might say) and you will be disheartened by this immensity…choose your way carefully…Dee in Tx *~

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    jennifer | 16 June 2007 at 5:37 pm #

    hey there AndyL & davem
    I’l take beers w/ cheers to jeers any day,
    so thank you, that was quite nice
    I had a grouchy day, no excuse but
    it is easy to misunderstand and to be misunderstood…
    and I do work w/ the homeless, so hard to hear I wasn’t making sense about an issue close to me
    anyhow, a question:
    does putting your foot in your mouth mean that you are not vegan?


  63. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 6:54 pm #

    Amen, Alt. I can’t imagine a world without talent. Dare I go there, I think you have something…a world full of bitter pricks obliviously spewing hatred. Common now, how can ya stand yerselves in such a stooper? Love and Happiness are the greatest aesthetic ever. They’re the one thing you can take with you, always make more of….more on love soon.

    Soon is now. How I would love to walk to a ‘fast food’ place and order some mediterranean style food. I have to wonder kinda far to get a smoothie. Forget it, I’ll buy the makings for a mango smoothie with pistachios, a little chocolate drizzle accent, Don’t forget the ginger…lovely healthy flavor- it’s a great anti-inflamatory.

    Peace to everyone.

  64. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 16 June 2007 at 7:31 pm #

    Right on Steve Kilbey. If there was no meat there would be less air, water and land pollution that all exacerbate global warming. There would be more land and a cleaner water supply. There would be less bloodshed and irreverence for life. All the corn, soy and grains used to fatten mistreated “food animals” could feed all the world’s starving people. Tonight I am going see another overlooked rock performer in Chicago. England’s Joan Armatrading wll be performing at the House of Blues in Chicago. She is a longstanding vegetarian too !

  65. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 7:49 pm #

    Joan Armatrading, you lucky charm. I’ve loved her since before I knew about The Church. Loved her since ’75. She only gets better!!

  66. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 9:06 pm #

    Can I get a large chips with my death burger, ‘n a gallon o’ sugar to wash it down?

  67. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 June 2007 at 10:03 pm #

    its very fucking cool to see some intellectual banter…instead of “Betrayed,hissy fits”,on your comments page……and yes bring out the marching band and the sheilas with pom poms……..nah!no buckinghams for P.M. xxx`

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    Anonymous | 22 June 2007 at 9:27 pm #

    Just a word about an original piece of artwork by Steve Kilbey. Per Holly’s recommendation I am letting you know that I am selling one of Mr. Kilbey’s original artworks online which is entitled Japanese Spring. I am only doing so out of economic necessity as I adore the piece and actually have 2 others that I’m not selling. If you’re interested the link is or do a search with the item number 260131367944. Thanks Holly for the recommendation and to Mr. Kilbey for the artistic enterprises that I’ve been fortunate to have and experience. I saw the Church in Tempe, Arizona last year, one of the best shows I’ve ever been to regardless of the technical difficulties. Be well.

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