posted on January 17, 2007 at 8:56 pm

speed wobble
pickup momentum
velocity
oh loved n used
what i’m saying is :
approaching earth
strangers reunited
starflesh you are indeed
things go round
no beginning
no end
man didnt get here
man dont come from amoeba
man always here
man is man
we regard
we destroy
we build
we examine the skies
we predict
but we never know
but we always feel
we feel….empty
we feel….disconnected
we feel satisfied….temporarily…
we feel this n that
we alone of all creatures
can ignore the obvious
this place we find ourselves in…..
i mean can a system just…
system within systems….
mechanism within finely tuned machine..
all these ratios…
all these tiny chances…
all these if we were one inch to the left
or one degree starboard…..
or what were the chances really…
cmon, use your eyes
a man of learning in a pompous n assured tone proclaims
“I have discovered that x = y”
and hes swiftly ensconced in the ivied towers of knowledge
and he says let me fill up these rooms with x=y men
and soon if you want to study the great machine at all
youve got to be an x=y man
of course it doesnt matter that its obvious that x actually = x
in fact not only doesnt it not matter
but it becomes anathema
the x=y men like their positions n priveleges
x=x are ridiculed even persecuted
x=x say
look at sky
look at the children
look at the rivers
look at ourselves
the x=y men say
“we have found this piece of bone….”
the x=x say
do you suppose….?
and the x=y men say
“no”
the x=x say
could we…?
the x=y men say
“thats impossible.
we have calculated and simulated and projected
and despite the wonders you believe you perceive
in actuality we have disproven absolutely for all time
that x may ever = x!”
after a few more years
nobody could even remember that x=x
even tho they could see it right in front of them
you mean im supposed to believe this?
occaisionally some poet or mountain climber would scream
children would rub their eyes and say
daddy i dont think x=y
and the parents are shush shush go quickly back to bed
“we have found even more new evidence”
proclaimed sir denniss hoggjoy
proudly displaying a piece of rock
of course i couldnt understand why the rock was important
but then im too stupid to understand, arent i?
a special scientist came to our school
and he had a picture of the rock
and some of the children actually got to hold the picture
and everything
and the scientist said
isnt marvellous that x=y?
and edna currie
whose slightly mad said
i think x=x sir
and everyone had a really good laugh
and the scientist lit his pipe and smiled

50 Responses to “tricks”

  1. avatar
    CSTCoach | 17 January 2007 at 9:15 pm #

    That was really nice, man. If x=y, would poetry exist? could it? you can tap into x=x if ya really try. some music takes me there. sometimes its places. some places are really conducive to this. you can’t help but feel it.

    Did someone say something about European tour dates this year? Is it on???

    ryan

  2. avatar
    CSTCoach | 17 January 2007 at 9:26 pm #

    What do ya know, 1st comment 🙂

    The second time in over a year. Do I have too much free time on my hands???

  3. avatar
    Anonymous | 17 January 2007 at 9:26 pm #

    Steven,
    x AND y remind me too much of algebra. I’ll just bury my head in Eliot and Rilke and Rimbaud and Yeats (although Eliot had it wrong about April being the cruelest month – by far, I think it must be January with its cold dismissive days and grey sullen skies).

    OK. Ryan asks about European tour dates. I have yet ANOTHER dream you guys are on tour (don’t worry, I wasn’t working the tour this time). Is it all Freudian SK…just wishful thinking???? Indulge my dreams….tour again soon. I miss you.
    love,
    denise
    xxoo

  4. avatar
    Anonymous | 17 January 2007 at 9:53 pm #

    x + y = love (at least according to a popular japanese song from the 60’s)

    ed in fl

  5. avatar
    fantasticandy | 17 January 2007 at 10:32 pm #

    E=Mc2 yeah? as mr verlaine said:
    ‘prove it,just the facts’.
    finaly finished re-encoding krautrock stuff so dvd’s on way after friday’s jam.
    andypandy.

  6. avatar
    isolde | 17 January 2007 at 10:34 pm #

    i don’t know much about physics or chemistry but i know that xxxx=pissed

  7. avatar
    ...being here, doing this... | 17 January 2007 at 10:50 pm #

    “Subatomic particles forever partake of this unceasing dance of annihilation and creation. In fact, subatomic particles are this unceasing dance of annihilation and creation. This twentieth-century discovery, with all its psychedelic implications, is not a new concept. In fact, it is very similar to the way that much of the earth’s population, including the Hindus and the Buddhists, view their reality.

    Hindu mythology is virtually a large-scale projection into the psychological realm of microscopic scientific discoveries. Hindu deities such as Shiva and Vishnu continually dance the creation and destruction of universes while the Buddhist image of the wheel of life symbolizes the unending process of birth, death, and rebirth which is a part of the world of form, which is emptiness, which is form.

    Imagine that a group of young artists have founded a new and revolutionary school of art. Their paintings are so unique that they have come to share them with the curator of an old museum. The curator regards the new paintings, nods his head, and disappears into the vaults of the museum. He returns carrying some very old paintings, which he places beside the new ones. The new art is so similar to the old art that even the young artists are taken aback. The new revolutionaries, in their own time and in their own way, have rediscovered a very old school of painting.”

  8. avatar
    Anonymous | 17 January 2007 at 10:55 pm #

    **bleuggghh** mathematics. is it really all THAT useful? i suppose it is…..it just seems to make things more confusing, more rigidly structured. i don’t think all these scientists know as much as they want us to believe. they are just as clueless as the rest of us.

  9. avatar
    Daberhasher | 17 January 2007 at 11:01 pm #

    ah, you went to Terence McKenna Land, didn’t you…

    aloha,
    ee

  10. avatar
    Anonymous | 17 January 2007 at 11:05 pm #

    Went on a hike yesterday to a ferny forrest and diverted onto the Ramblers walk – not another human being was around, and I was quiet and I stopped SK & boys on ipod and just listened to the birds and the trickle of the water and watched and agree, yes x=x why do they ignore the obvious.

    ((‘{~_~}’)) I can only empathise in part. I had breast cancer in 2004 and have emerged scathed but alive and well. I also had two young girls to consider. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Take it in small steps. Kate

  11. avatar
    ambnt1 | 17 January 2007 at 11:15 pm #

    Steven,

    Noice! Me and Denise must be tapped into same dream wavelengths, this is weird. Had a dream last night that The Cherch were playing in San Francisco. First part of dream: watching a video on TV for a new song off “El Momento Siguiendo” that was amazing, it was like “Invisible,” your voice soft and whispery with mind-blowing bassline, but alas now forget the melody (if I’d remembered it could have made millions $ off it). Then me and somebody else (Denise?) are going around asking people, “Where are the Cherch playing?” Turns out it’s at a San Francisco 49ers football game!! Then we’re all (me, Denise?, and The Cherch)walking up a big hill at the football stadium and MWP is gettin’ yelled at cuz he was the one who set the whole thing up, and SK none too happy about it, let me tell you. Tension in the air, very thick. You guys discussing which two songs you’ll play. You wanna play the soft new one, then argy-bargy ensues as the drummer (assuming TP) says he wants to a big rocker so he can “show off” (Tantalized? or…) Meanwhile, it’s an overcast rainy day and you’ll be playing outside to a stadium full of drunk yobbos. Then I woke up.

    –Chris

    n.p. “Forget Yourself” (I’m trying to do that at my slave-cubicle under cancer-causing fluorescent death ray lighting)

  12. avatar
    mattdavison | 17 January 2007 at 11:16 pm #

    so you believe in evolution than??
    Nice walk manuka face???
    M

  13. avatar
    CeciliaGin | 18 January 2007 at 12:09 am #

    There is no axis (access)

  14. avatar
    indigoruby | 18 January 2007 at 12:54 am #

    Emperor’s new clothes: x=y
    Have been away…
    Sending lots and lots and lots of light and healing and love to ((‘{~_~}’))
    Might see you at Red Hill, koala girl?
    I admire that you bared your soul;
    You gotta be gutsy to show your vulnerability like that
    And the bonding it has helped create here is wonderful too…
    B. Bon – great review.
    Wish I could have seen the play.
    What an online community!
    Steve, perhaps your next creative venture can be titled:
    Steve-Kilbey’s-cyber-space-rock-hippy-commune-extravaganza: the musical…
    And don’t forget to give everyone that spliff-at-the-door!
    I have met you lots of times.
    Twenty years ago and then again very recently
    I remember in ’85 or ’86 backstage telling you that my mother thought
    An Interlude was about a mental hospital
    And you thought she was pretty clever (she is).
    And then at the end of January ’87
    Interviewing you at your house in Rozelle
    Sitting on the balcony
    And my great aunt being worried about me going to a pop star’s house alone
    No matter what I said
    And later you showed me your paisley shirt collection
    (Lots from Melbourne’s fab op shops I bet!)
    You are a loof, but in an alert kind of way,
    Good at reading people
    – Can tell by the way you use your eyes;
    A very useful skill in your line of work.
    You need a little mystique for self-protection
    Though you have exposed yourself on the blog
    (er, obviously not in a trench-coated, stranger-in-the-park kind of way…)
    Do ya reckon you’ll get less adulation from us if you’re less aloof?
    When I saw you and Marty at your first gig at the Sando on that hot night last November
    There was a tiny moment at the end of a song when you seemed to be
    Apologizing to him for fluffing something;
    I’m sure no-one noticed any mistake and he was fine about it
    But for a second I saw a very soft Steve
    – A window into another world…
    P.s. Love the undine story
    And acoustic Tantalized is such a trip
    – Clashier intervals than usual?

  15. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 January 2007 at 1:34 am #

    See! Even Chris is dreaming the Church are touring! Apparently we ARE sharing the same wavelength. Hmmm…now, how to turn strange dreams into strange reality…that’s the question!

    denise (who wouldn’t want to be around Church during argy bargy time – she would go hide somewhere!)
    xxoo

  16. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 January 2007 at 2:10 am #

    yeah
    and there’s no such thing as linear time either
    but i love reading stories about how others think we all came to be here but i thought it was black humour

  17. avatar
    fergal | 18 January 2007 at 3:44 am #

    what if 6 became 9 ?

    ~

  18. avatar
    ...being here, doing this... | 18 January 2007 at 4:18 am #

    A disconnected intellectual may arrive at a conclusion that x=y

    A connected child will laugh and say…”that’s so silly!”

    Sadly, we take ourselves so seriously at times, it can take a genius of Einsteinic proportions to convince the intellectual that the child was right!…

    From this fascinating article…

    “I am working intently on the development of a true physics of mind and consciousness. As a quantum physicist and brain researcher, I have long been frustrated that our modern scientific understanding of consciousness is so primitive. There is no physical explanation of “mind” or “thought” in terms of the known particles and forces, a fact which has caused many of my scientific colleagues to deny the very existence of consciousness.”

    John Hagelin, who spoke these words, was a gracious and humble recipient of the 1992……Kilby Award!!

  19. avatar
    craig1.618 | 18 January 2007 at 5:26 am #

    and on that same note and with some trepidation for concern of coming off like a “buggy driver” when i’m only a passenger…

    “What if everything you thought you knew about science, and its connection to spirituality, was wrong?

    What if you woke up one day to discover that the entire nature and structure of the Universe had actually eluded all of mainstream science up until that moment? Could such a thing be possible?”

    -The first two paragraphs from the prologue of “The Science Of Oneness” by David Wilcock

    which happens to be my favorite read

  20. avatar
    verdelay | 18 January 2007 at 7:36 am #

    We need the x=y crowd.

    If we didn’t have ’em, there’d be a hellova stoush between the x=x and the y=y folks. Burning each other and such.

    It’s happened before.

    The problems ain’t in the x’s and y’s

    It’s in the imperative to believe in the =

  21. avatar
    damien | 18 January 2007 at 8:19 am #

    What would happen if the dog’s tail started chasing the dog?

  22. avatar
    Richard | 18 January 2007 at 8:30 am #

    BUGGER, BUGGER, BUGGER!!!!

    I’m all for drought busting rain but…

    Was it really necessary for it to arrive two days out from the Annie’s Lane gig?

    Forecast for Clare (SA) includes possible flash floods!

    Any ‘plan B’ if it’s a wash out?

    Acoustic gig in an empty wine bin maybe?

  23. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 January 2007 at 8:57 am #

    Indigoruby

    R u a journalist?

    Thanks for your kind words on my review. I thought it was an even handed piece much like something you’d see written in a local rag. I have a funny feeling the big fella didn’t like it much though…. could it be because I am behind in my subscription fees?

    Who can tell and it’s usually best not to suppose.

    B.Bon

  24. avatar
    Todd | 18 January 2007 at 10:19 am #

    Brilliant stuff, Kilbey!

    x=x just ain’t enough for some folks…
    they’ve got to go confusing things!

  25. avatar
    Imber | 18 January 2007 at 10:57 am #

    hhhmmmm…. x=y…… Nice one, SK!

    I saw Bobby Flynn’s show last week and he said lots of great things about you during the show.One thing he mentioned was that HE was happy that YOU were happy with his rendition. I actually saw Bobby pre Idol and he played THAT song then too.He can’t get enough! Yes, he played it last week as well!

    X

    ((‘{~_~}’)) ,

    It was very courageous of you to tell your story on here. My thoughts are with you.

  26. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 January 2007 at 10:59 am #

    It’s all coincidence and chance.
    The world wasn’t created in exactly the right format to enable us and everything else to function perfectly. ‘Ooh just a few degrees colder or hotter and it’d all be different, none of this could’ve been – there must be an intelligence behind such precise creation’!
    Nope – everything is like it is merely BECAUSE the world is as it is. This is what has chanced to develop in these particular circumstances.
    That’s all – chance.
    If things were different, something else would’ve developed instead – and THEY’D also be going ‘ooh look how everything’s designed so perfectly for us, there must’ve been a purpose to it’.
    Chance and coincidence.

  27. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 January 2007 at 11:46 am #

    who’s, not whose.

  28. avatar
    nic | 18 January 2007 at 12:05 pm #

    another thought-provoking blogg SK – although I think I interpretted it more than just science and maths – I see this view would affect all aspects of life – ie. by not following the sheep – by challenging mainstream views, trusting your inner voice and passions…..and not being a ‘straight’….

  29. avatar
    isolde | 18 January 2007 at 12:18 pm #

    oh B.Bon how could Theatrical Viagra not like your review we all liked it and you’re a top bloke whether you’re an xx or an xy

  30. avatar
    12str | 18 January 2007 at 1:08 pm #

    hi folks!!
    read grinenbarrets comment yessaday and think its a great idea! me and my boys are ready to contribute.why not create a page on myspace for this purpose.this way it could be done without costing alot…… is this something we can do with your blessing SK? if theres interest in this project and for further planning please contact me on
    pwermelin@hotmail.com

    take care everyone….
    patrik

  31. avatar
    restaurant mark | 18 January 2007 at 1:22 pm #

    and what was in the scientist’s pipe…i mean, he smiled didn’t he???

  32. avatar
    indigoruby | 18 January 2007 at 1:39 pm #

    Hi B. Bon

    No, I’m not a journalist. R u?

    I have written a lot of cinema and theatre reviews (& a couple of interviews) for local student and street papers over the years though. And when Centrelink made me do a stint of “Community Work Placement”, I worked on a community centre project which was actually an anti-Centrelink zine! They found out the centre had done it, threatened to sue, the launch was cancelled and the completed mag was shelved! Currently ghost-writing a book with a psychologist friend (“What the efff are you trying to say here??”, I frequently utter) on a controversial type of sex therapy, where a “surrogate” does hands-on stuff with the client….very effective as it gets a person out of their head and into their body and feelings.

    I don’t think your review of the play has quite the standard format – it is uncommon to give such a blow-by-blow account of the plot in the present tense; usually it’s more of an overview. But I think your aim was to paint a vivid portait for those of us who didn’t get to see it. So tell us what happened in the end!!

    I interviewed Steve because a friend wanted all this discography info for a specialist zine, only I found the questions they wanted me to ask kind of dull, so I asked completely different ones, and then of course they weren’t very happy and didn’t want to publish it. Still got the transcript.

    Sorry if that’s more info than you wanted!

    Cheers, Em

    P.s. Sk apparently can’t tell who’s subscribed and who hasn’t – maybe he could if you pay via your own paypal account instead of clicking on the pp button on this site. It’s a mystery…

  33. avatar
    (('{~_~}')) | 18 January 2007 at 1:52 pm #

    I am seeking, I am striving, I am in it with all my heart.

    Vincent van Gogh

  34. avatar
    (('{~_~}')) | 18 January 2007 at 2:05 pm #

    Thanks indigoruby, imber and Kate!
    Kate, I am so glad to hear you are well. It’s great to hear from survivors.

  35. avatar
    (('{~_~}')) | 18 January 2007 at 2:08 pm #

    Zoe = Noise

  36. avatar
    Anonymous | 18 January 2007 at 2:27 pm #

    “systems within systems”

    i’ve heard that before…

  37. avatar
    CeciliaGin | 18 January 2007 at 3:55 pm #

    we destroy
    we build
    we examine the skies
    we predict

    destruimos
    construimos
    examinamos los cielos
    pronosticamos

    La Mexicana Cee

  38. avatar
    Grinenbarrett | 18 January 2007 at 4:08 pm #

    Patrik,
    You should have mail from me. Sorry about the C I added. Billy

  39. avatar
    deep in the heart | 18 January 2007 at 4:22 pm #

    (x=y,x) ?

  40. avatar
    matthew | 18 January 2007 at 4:39 pm #

    nice Steve, I’m SO on the wavelength with this. Loved the term “starflesh” too! – what a brilliant image.

  41. avatar
    Aynthem | 18 January 2007 at 5:40 pm #

    The beauty of mathematics is the infinite world every system contains, and that there can be infinite systems. Just think, between the numbers we think of as ‘one’ and ‘two’ lie endless numbers of numbers, infinite possibilities of thought. Bring in the numbers that aren’t, the imaginaries and the unreals! Expand your horizons! And some systems don’t even get to ‘two’! On and off, yes and no, black and white, each of these represents not one way or the other but endless combinations to allow for every possibility. The sheer beauty of zero, representing nothing but so desperately necessary to everything, the crux and core of our understanding.

    X = X. Y = Y. X = Y. All of this, and more, so very much more. What is music but mathematics converted to tones, notes and spaces arranged in infinite patterns? Write a song, and represent it in functions and equations, find the patterns and the repeats, graph it on the x-y coordinates of the staff, play it and feel the music within you based on the vibrations of your ear and the rhythm in your heart.

    And you think straights can’t feel!

  42. avatar
    Tricks | 18 January 2007 at 7:25 pm #

    I think what it boils down to is who has the better argument…;>

  43. avatar
    davem | 18 January 2007 at 7:36 pm #

    I admit that I lurch – unconvincingly – between the two depending on how vulnerable I’m feeling.
    I struggle with the chance and coincidence stuff, nor can I 100% commit to some higher purpose ideal (though I try).
    Love you more,

    Dave M
    xx

  44. avatar
    captainmission | 18 January 2007 at 11:40 pm #

    i’m reminded of a conversation i had with an aquaintence who said, ‘ignorance is bliss.’ i thought about this momentarily and suggested, ‘ignorance is ignorance and bliss is bliss.’
    It would be nice to think x=y but if there is an ultimate reality x can only equal x.
    but then again……maybe x = bliss?

  45. avatar
    annikajones | 19 January 2007 at 12:45 am #

    Yep, happens all the time.

    Frightened little humans trying to categorize and systematize the chaos that’s the universe, methinks. It’ll come together, for a brief time, and then dissipate again, to create new forms.

    But I also believe in the old saying about the more you learn the less you know. The things your first teacher tells you are absolute truth for you. It’s only later, when you’ve learned so much more, you’ll begin to understand that nothing is certain, nothing is static.

  46. avatar
    Trickster | 19 January 2007 at 4:22 am #

    love you too

  47. avatar
    eek | 19 January 2007 at 10:15 am #

    Anon at 9:59 — makes sense to me. I’m always bewildered by those who consider those scenarios any more fanciful than one where some god (who’s origin is never explained) creates the world. Both require great leaps of faith.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    As for x=x — isn’t that every bit as constricting as x=y? Sometimes what we perceive isn’t really accurate. Think of a mirage. What you perceive isn’t really there (at least not as you see it) no matter how long or often you see it. So in that case what you perceive (x) doesn’t really = x it = y.

    Think of how radical the x=y idea is when everyone around you thinks x only ever = x. Think of the hassle the guy who first said “hey, I think the earth is round” got when everyone else could plainly see that it was obviously flat. But of course it isn’t flat. So the x=y thinker there was correct.

    There are occasionally very rare people such as Leonardo di Vinci who are able to grasp both the science/mathematics and artistic sides of the spectrum, but the rest of us tend to fall on one of those sides. Where you are most comfortable in this spectrum colours your perception, so what an artistic type sees as real isn’t always what a science type sees as real. Each is looking at a different part of the whole, and each might very well correct for their own little part of the world. But I’m pretty sure non of us really wants a poet or musician with no mathematical ability designing the engine powering the airplane we are going to be taking on our next trip. Likewise, I’m pretty sure most of us aren’t wowed by the musical skills of that engineer geek.

    Science and religion (for lack of a better term) aren’t mutually exclusive, and only a few very loud fuckwits on either side claim they are.

  48. avatar
    John Garratt | 19 January 2007 at 2:29 pm #

    Yes, eek. When you get down to it, nobody truly knows anything.

    “Only an idiot would believe in God, and only an idiot would deny he exists.”
    -Andy Rooney

    John

  49. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 January 2007 at 4:35 am #

    and only an idiot would quote andy rooney

  50. avatar
    Anonymous | 20 January 2007 at 7:23 pm #

    =


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