posted on October 13, 2006 at 1:47 am

“god aint jive
i can feel his love…”
ian hunter wrote that
is it that simple?
you say that word god
you gotta thousand people screaming this n that
get it straight cats
god aint religion
just like i aint my reviews
or interviews
i have arrived with god
common sense has prevailed
i have never observed things to just be
especially beautiful poignant things
spread over skies or years
or tiny inticate almost invisible things
all perfect tiny machines
there is a perceptible continuity of thought in motion
i have felt god fill me up
god inspires me
i dont even care if it IS all make believe
cos its working for me pretty well
and certain things only between god n myself
that just dont go into words
but i’m happy to discuss it
im open to be dissuaded from my naivete
by your convincing arguments
and i’d rather this than
most other things
i made a tiny contact
and it was wonderful
all the things i pursue have led me there
by the side of flowing rivers
in the dry desert
onstage n inprivate
behind closed doors
standing in a crowd
pages n pages
book by book
fad over fad
song into song
oh yes mister i agree with you on one thing tho
god is not easy to find, nor at your beck n call
just like learning a language
or an instrument
you need some subtle attunements
theres a lotta background noise drowning out the earth
why should god battle that racket
just to point out to you the bleedin’ obvious?
god also doesnt need an olde washed up hippyrocker
proseltyzing on his behalf , i guess
and my right hands lockin’ up
from too much typing
tonite
tonite
the enmore here in sydney
2morrow the national mal-borne
2 more nights to rock
before age wearies me
and yonder axe is laid down
for the final curtain call
and the last line is sung
and the last guy
to walk out
of the last show
is on the last bus home
and as he climbs into bed
at the last minute
his wife wakes n says
“why, gary, youre all a’tremble, m’dear”
and he says
“debbie, its the end of an era”
and the last star
of the evening
discreetly
fades

88 Responses to “twilight of the atheists”

  1. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 2:42 am #

    End of an era…mmmmm, tonight? well i’ll be there and I don’t for one minute believe it wiil be the end..

  2. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 2:48 am #

    strange that, after the gov I nearly crashed on the way home due to some lunatic girl walking out in front of my car in the middle of town. and I had this feeling of an ending of sorts, a nostalgia. she didnt blink.

  3. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 2:53 am #

    something in the air today (apart from the heat!!!) its gonna be a good one tonight. Any chance of slippin’ in ‘Locust’ in set list….puuurrlease.

  4. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 2:55 am #

    ‘Tis true. All good things must come to an end.

    Don’t let it be The Church just yet!

    – Matt

  5. avatar
    skyintheairwaves | 13 October 2006 at 3:10 am #

    That last star will NEVER fade.

    Burn on forever!

  6. avatar
    davidcwelker | 13 October 2006 at 3:14 am #

    yeh, i agree. religion, man’s way of trying to make sense out of god or turn god into a cosmic bellhop of sorts.

  7. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 3:18 am #

    It’s not about religion, it’s
    a relationship.

    Seek and you will find……..

  8. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 3:38 am #

    GARY AND DEBBIE ARE LIARS!!!

  9. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 3:45 am #

    long may the church live

  10. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 3:55 am #

    Tonight is the Night for pure magic- can’t wait

    DR

  11. avatar
    Belfrank | 13 October 2006 at 4:26 am #

    Don’t get all Robert Smith or Ziggy on us Killa! The end of one era heralds the begegnungen of another.

    Rock those Aussies with your 4 stringed axe. Make them spill their pints with excitement.

    Wish I was there.

    Belf

    PS – The very later Popol Vuh ain’t so hot sir – like bad Enigma. Ouch.

  12. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 4:27 am #

    Oh Oh – it couldnae be the end, you’ve only just become

    Love you
    Celticat

  13. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 4:30 am #

    the big difference with smith is that it would be very sad to see the church end at one of their many peaks whereas smith’s peak is long long – long – gone. you wish it WOULD end. but no, new lp coming out 2007.

  14. avatar
    ...being here, doing this... | 13 October 2006 at 4:51 am #

    “why cant we see him, then?”

    “Why are you so wary of thought?” said the philosopher.Thought is the one tool we have for organizing the world.”
    “True. But thought can organize the world so well that you are no longer able to see it.”

  15. avatar
    Chris Kan | 13 October 2006 at 4:52 am #

    Please steven.
    Its not the end.
    You have to come to Perth.
    i have just rediscovered you.
    your beautiful music and soul
    the mystery of it all
    the majesty
    please come to perth
    share this with us

  16. avatar
    tracy | 13 October 2006 at 5:33 am #

    your words, as always

    mesmerizing…

    come back to seattle some time, pretty please….

  17. avatar
    crAig | 13 October 2006 at 5:56 am #

    and there was a brief pause…….that felt like forever

  18. avatar
    Centuryhouse | 13 October 2006 at 5:58 am #

    Mr. Kilbey – I’m glad you’ve connected with God (or god) and that it brings something good to your life, or brings your life to someplace good. I’m not there, but would be if I could.

    I hope the ‘end of an era’ is the end of the tour, and nothing more significant. Good luck.

    Daniel W.

  19. avatar
    Krissythegroupie | 13 October 2006 at 5:58 am #

    Hey let’s not talk “last” and “end,” you’ll give me nightmares. I wish I was in Australia, as I sit in Brooklyn. You rock.

  20. avatar
    daniel 27, 8 | 13 October 2006 at 6:02 am #

    ‘In my end is my beginning’, so just don’t worry all of you above.

  21. avatar
    A Cartographer | 13 October 2006 at 6:07 am #

    i dont even care if it IS all make believe
    cos its working for me pretty well

    And that’s how come you gotta let other people let their stories work pretty well for them, too. Even if it is all make-believe.

    We write about the unknowable, you and I. I think there’s some kind of rule that says we’re not allowed to tell people our stories are better than their stories (even though we’re both arrogant enough to believe they are–we still don’t get to preach–only to suggest).

    It seems to work better that way, anyway.

    Hope your hand feels better.

  22. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 6:13 am #

    NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! What part of this don’t you understand. 52 hmmm. A full deck, but no Jokers. Looks like you’re holding all the aces.I’ll see u play at 70.

  23. avatar
    JJ | 13 October 2006 at 6:39 am #

    I feared that, that’s why I came. I never know when – but I hope not. See you at Enmore and the Vic.

    Leave a vapour trail as you pull on your suit and exit quietly….but only for a (brief) hiatus.

    JJ

  24. avatar
    Azza | 13 October 2006 at 6:48 am #

    And the true beginning of the era of Nevets Yeblik!
    See you tomorrow night and lovin the thought of it

  25. avatar
    Dig | 13 October 2006 at 6:52 am #

    I think that you are a messenger

  26. avatar
    CAPTAIN BEYOND | 13 October 2006 at 7:35 am #

    please make tonight something very special for me, me need you here (in spirit) like never before, me lady is driving me mad…
    mjnjr

  27. avatar
    rubikon | 13 October 2006 at 7:53 am #

    Is this the end?
    Have you really left the building?
    Have you guys shone for the last time?

    Say it isn’t so Steve
    Say it isn’t so..

  28. avatar
    metal_petal | 13 October 2006 at 8:22 am #

    I was worried that it might be the end. But then I remembered going to the last tour ever in 1991. So I stopped worrying.

  29. avatar
    Sweed | 13 October 2006 at 8:54 am #

    It’s a brand new era…

  30. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 9:45 am #

    From ’92 to ’98 I feared every release would be the last, every piece of news would say it was over.
    From 98 til today I haven’t had a minute’s worry about this.
    But oh fuck…

  31. avatar
    Adrak | 13 October 2006 at 9:54 am #

    ‘Easy’ video on tonite, 2AM on Rage.

  32. avatar
    rubikon | 13 October 2006 at 10:14 am #

    Steve, Marty, Peter, Tim,

    I don’t know if you guys are planning to call it a day but I’ve followed you guys and listened to and loved your music since 82 when I first heard “The Unguarded Moment” video on “The Old Grey Whistle Test” here in the UK – Yeh, I’m one of those old die-hards.

    I just hope you guys can continue making music and releasing it so we can all hear it and appreciate it.

    I don’t care if you’re all 22, 52 or a 1002 – you make a beautiful timeless noise together.

    Ciao,

    for the time being

  33. avatar
    veleska1970 | 13 October 2006 at 11:12 am #

    it’s all relative.

  34. avatar
    verdelay | 13 October 2006 at 11:54 am #

    I am happy to call anything that creates itself God/dess. This applies equally to blind watchmakers and old men with beards (though I like to take my divini-tea with two lumps, not one).

    Random, Chance and Evolution are all demiurges in my pink pantheon, and I’ll give ’em their dues, but no more than they deserve.

    I became addicted to Wonder at an early age, and I’ll die a hopeful addict.

    Did The Church create itself? I respect but cannot worship. If they destroyeth that which they themselves hath created, do we condemn them thus? Vishnu, but he wouldn’t tell me.

    By the way, over on the other channel old Rinpoche is handing out pointers on how to play the bass…

  35. avatar
    restaurant mark | 13 October 2006 at 1:34 pm #

    of course we don’t want the church to stop…but the only thing that matters is do you guys want to stop??? if you feel the time has come for that, then thank you for all of the beautiful music and you definately ended with an amazing record! but 52 or not, i don’t think for a second you’re washed up or the well has run dry. and if you guys wish to continue for the love of the band and making music together, then i will wait anxiously for the new record and the next show in atlanta. and i’ll bet my bass that it will be a brilliant record too…no reason to think otherwise! peace.
    have a great show tonight and say hello to mark from hitchcock’s regret…we’ve talked several times over myspace…seems like a nice guy.

  36. avatar
    John Garratt | 13 October 2006 at 1:47 pm #

    How can it be so invisible? Yet give me the nerves to see?

    John

  37. avatar
    CSTCoach | 13 October 2006 at 2:22 pm #

    Ahh, of course it can’t be the end of the choich or of touring. Simply the next phase. You guys are at such a peak, better than ever, and it shows no signs of a downturn…

    B-sides, after finally seeing you live in Sellersville I’m hooked. It would be sheer cruelty to deny me another fix 😉

    ryan

  38. avatar
    12str | 13 October 2006 at 2:28 pm #

    keep on rocking in the free world!!

  39. avatar
    CeciliaGin | 13 October 2006 at 2:58 pm #

    and the last star
    of the evening
    discreetly
    fades

    y la ultima estrella
    de la noche
    discretamente
    desvanece

  40. avatar
    ambnt1 | 13 October 2006 at 3:27 pm #

    Reverend Steven,

    When you hang up the basse and guitahs for the last time (which I don’t think will be soon), a new career awaits you: preaching to the unconverted. If not standing before crowds of 100,000 in the deep south, then at least writing some mean sermons for one of those guys. You definitely have a gift with words.

    –Chris

    n.p. Nemesis, “Sky Archeology”

  41. avatar
    robert madore | 13 October 2006 at 3:54 pm #

    It’s a preoccupation of the quite-commonly insane human mind… we are fascinated by being fascinated. You simply cannot look outside yourself to find/see God.

  42. avatar
    fantasticandy | 13 October 2006 at 4:10 pm #

    friday 13th!it’s been a very bad day for me so far,don’t make it even worse—pleeese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  43. avatar
    davem | 13 October 2006 at 4:35 pm #

    Hi SK.
    I hope you don’t mean you’re laying the old axe down for good.
    The music you’re making is still getting better and better.
    Please don’t stop! I’m begging!!!
    Love you more,

    Dave M

  44. avatar
    Noel Christian | 13 October 2006 at 4:42 pm #

    ‘God, God, God
    You are the wisdom that we seek
    God, God, God
    The lover that we miss
    God, God God
    Your nature is eternity
    God, God, God
    You are existence, knowledge, bliss

    The soul does not love.
    It is love itself.
    It does not exist.
    It is existence itself.
    It does not know.
    It is knowledge itself.
    How to Know God, page 130′

    George Harrison (from Brainwashed).

  45. avatar
    Melquiades | 13 October 2006 at 5:01 pm #

    Walk Into The Sunset

    Off into the desert
    we watch the wind carry
    our breath
    The expanse of life
    cannot be felt
    in this one glorious sunset

    Holding hands with Sutekh
    bringing blinding storms
    to the bedouins
    The lost rivers surface
    and show us the way
    to the next life.

  46. avatar
    Elduvik | 13 October 2006 at 5:21 pm #

    You are too great to just quit.
    LONG MAY YOU RUN!

    Andreas
    Genoa/Italy

  47. avatar
    stealthblue | 13 October 2006 at 5:33 pm #

    THANKS! Thank you, Steve, for saying that. That is exactly what I meant about humans “miscontruing” things or even blowing things out of proportion; God/god/Higher Power/ The Universe/Earth/Creator/Vastness/Nothingness/ The One/ (whatever PEOPLE call it) etc. I am glad for you that you have found some way to connect with whatever/whover/wherever the greater force that guides us is. I have too. I(and it sounds like you do too, as well as many others) call it “God” for lack of a better term. I also refer to this force as “The Force” (yeah, like Star Wars) or The Universe, or “Energy/Chi” but that is just me. The point is RELIGION is just a form of control, and it may work for some people, but I for one am not “religious” because it is too LIMITING, and all I see is controversy and hypocrisy arising from it! Whatever “this” is, is too large and cannot be denied, but I personally do not feel AUDACIOUS enough to know or even claim exactly “the 5 Ws” of this energy that involves us are…but I just know in my heart and soul that SOMETHING greater than we humans exists, and RELIGION is only a way of trying to explain this to different cultures. It is innate intelligence to know what is right and what is wrong, and that can also be relative to some. Only by eduacation or lack of do these deep knowledges get confirmed in our minds. A good indicator is Guilt itself. Again, just my humble opinion here. Basically, I just follow the golden rule…”treat others the way you want to be treated”, basically, “Don’t be an asshole”, Don’t cheat, don’t steal, etc…we don’t really need a Book to tell us that stuff. The same with LAWS, who writes these laws and adjusts them accordingly to fit their needs…MAN, not God, or Jesus Christ. Some of the biggest crooks are the ones actually writing laws. It has nothing to do with The BIBLE (or any other doctrines) Karma/redemtion, or any other element for that matter. Values are basically just something within us that we already know and perhaps some people need a form of religion to accept things in a certain way. If you ask me, some human beings are more animalistic than “animals” them selves. If people want to believe in “God” (or whatever) do it, if it works for you. If you don’t believe in ANYTHING, good for you if it works for you. I will leave it at that, except that I don’t envy anyone that does not feel any higher sense of purpose or is willing to learn from nature itself. I thinks that SOME of it is up to us, and SOME of it is “predestined.” We are faced with decisions everyday that will affect us in some way, shape or form. So, why not try to do the best we can for ourselves AND others.
    Anyway, I wish you all the best and believe it or not, I PRAY for all of you too. Prayer/Meditation is great…you don’t just talk to “God/Universe”, you talk to your own mind as well…make sense? Peace to all, have a great day.
    Cheers,
    Ben V.

  48. avatar
    Icky | 13 October 2006 at 7:43 pm #

    Intriguing that your extraordinarily perceptive view on the god within attracts fewer comments than the (admittedly, disturbing) thought that The Church man may indeed be retiring the Fender from active service.
    Duno if you even read these ramblings from the phan bass but was moved to say your words are inspiring and thought-provoking. Guess that’s always been the way, huh.

    Go well

    Icky

  49. avatar
    mandn | 13 October 2006 at 7:46 pm #

    why so much time pondering god?

    he/she either is or isn’t. If you believe then it is, if not well then…

    supposedly, there’s only one way to find out.

    I like the idea of a being but once it turns into religion it all goes wrong
    especially when it is based on fear.

    xo
    Mary

  50. avatar
    Chela | 13 October 2006 at 7:56 pm #

    …and don’t forget to remember your own divinity…

  51. avatar
    leelinau | 13 October 2006 at 8:43 pm #

    It’s the great state OF denial.

    ^_^

  52. avatar
    calling down baal and zeus | 13 October 2006 at 8:53 pm #

    maybe he meant ear ..
    we all know some of the letters get twisted sometimes ..
    maybe gary is jus some dude that stood to close to a speaker and its the end of an ear…

    see ..watch this … both of my eras are pierced ..see that an honest mistake

    or this one ..
    my eras are bleeding..or

    i got an era infection…or
    well you get the idea

  53. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 9:53 pm #

    SK ~ even when the end comes, it won’t be the end. What an amazingly complex and beautifully complicated body of work ~ The Church. The sonic scapes that reverberate with every play… and every record of its own, and not of any other… and each play of the same record different than the last. How I wish I were there, to hear the Magnetic Strip. I hope I haven’t seen my last show. But we always have the songs, don’t we? Rock on, all four of you.

  54. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 10:17 pm #

    Steve,

    That was an awesome gig!!! You guys rocked! Loved all the ones we know and the few we didn’t. It was a real honour to be able to watch you guys, feel the music and be part of the experience. Thank you so much for the tickets!

    xx The Dohmanns

  55. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 10:21 pm #

    better not be the end, i’m not in oz!

    just now you made me play Catherine Wheel’s God inside my head. you like that one? it’s on happy days.

  56. avatar
    Ross | 13 October 2006 at 10:51 pm #

    You fucken better not end it all now Kilbey. You guys were sooooo good in Brisbane.

    Oh shit…

    (aaarr – I still love you)

    ~ross

  57. avatar
    Anonymous | 13 October 2006 at 11:28 pm #

    Ok I just got back from the gym and they were playing ELECTRIC LASH! So I was watching Battlestar Galactica with the sound off and The Chrunch providing the soundtrack, it was obviously sublime.
    Cee

  58. avatar
    the dean | 13 October 2006 at 11:33 pm #

    For yesrs I was an atheist but always interested in religious text and themes. One day I thought why not believe something, anything. It’s working for me too.
    God within,without, merge with nature.

  59. avatar
    Peter Suchecki | 14 October 2006 at 12:21 am #

    If its the end for the Church, I understand Steve, its been a long and hard road … too much shit for anyone to put up with. It was fun while it lasted, I will never forget the music … never. Thank You!

  60. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 October 2006 at 12:27 am #

    so you’re fucking fifty two or whatever. That and the world ain’t what it recently was to travel…a real pain in the ass now.

    I could see you getting more serious about the various arts you’re into. You’re far from a swan song my friend.

  61. avatar
    razor edalb | 14 October 2006 at 1:37 am #

    Nevets, you pretty much just gave high schoolers the Cliff notes to T. Paine’s “Age of Reason.” Of course, I don’t think they teach such heresy in the public school system here in Amerika any longer.

  62. avatar
    captainmission | 14 October 2006 at 2:22 am #

    err gary and debbie are divorced, there’s only ‘captain mission’ now and his great dog ‘pan.’
    i heard about connecting with your audience but ‘WOW’ you just raised the bar there steve, unncanny.
    …and a tremble i was, solar plexus bright yellow, spinning charkra the size of a sun, you guys are getting predictable…in the best possible way, what a fuckin brilliant show, mind blown, ecstatic, shamanic, devastation, transcendence, enmore radiating throughout sydney, like never before, rocked and rolled, they say a mans life flashes before his at the moment of death, i gotta say in all honesty, i can’t wait to see last nights show again and i saw a sparkle in your eyes….thank you church yet again, it’s never going to be ‘game over’ cos god’s really intelligent and creative and knows a good band when he see’s one.

  63. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 October 2006 at 2:40 am #

    sk,
    locust, great tune olde druid

    richard

  64. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 October 2006 at 4:00 am #

    trying to tell the ultimate wizard in words how i feel is not easy, but here goes…

    i’m still flying out there amongst the spirits, feeling universal connection, love, bliss, heart chakra open reaching out, dreaming, wishing…
    last night’s enmore performance so beautiful, sensual, transcendant.

    thank you so much for filling me up with your exquisite light and energy

    powerful
    haunting
    grinding
    driving
    fucking awesome rock

    i loved you before
    and fell in love again

    thank you
    more than you could know

    xxx

  65. avatar
    triantelope | 14 October 2006 at 4:33 am #

    “Gentlemen, start your guitars…”
    Transcendental show last night.
    There’s plenty of life in the old beast yet.

  66. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 October 2006 at 4:43 am #

    SK

    Friday the 13th
    Hot with a late cool breeze
    Everything connected
    The heavens in sink
    Enmore perfekt
    The Cherch pulsing with sonic brilliance
    A meeting of the myndes
    The mob were enthralled
    In wrapture
    Rokenroll as it should be.
    Throbbing
    Sublime
    I’ll come down from the mountain for that anytime!

    Andy

    PS – thanks for Providence.

  67. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 October 2006 at 5:29 am #

    Great show last nite, you guys did rock, getting better and better. Wish I hadn’t missed some years, but I’m rediscovering some great music and loving it, looking forward to the next cd.

    Thanks for signing the cd covers hope I didn’t annoy you, but you seemed very happy last nite, as you should have been and the audience certainly were.
    Interesting to see the wide range of fans, lots of dads took their sons so a whole new generation will be converted.

    The Melbourne churchites will be in for a special nite tonight.

    Love Therese

    p.s. loved the support band and Nick from Heyday said to give his regards to you and the band.

  68. avatar
    Fireseed | 14 October 2006 at 5:41 am #

    hi sk

    when are you coming to play in sk?

    love

    fireseed

  69. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 October 2006 at 10:39 am #

    atheist till i die

  70. avatar
    nickfiction | 14 October 2006 at 2:14 pm #

    This sounds curiously like a farewell SK. Of course a rocker knows when he’s ready to go out to pasture. But I’d say you ‘ve got a few more shows under your belt. Look at Ozzy, he isn’t even alive anymore. He has to read a teleprompter to remember the sabbath lyrics…..picture yourself in a wheelchair reading ” milky way ” off a telepromptor at the commonwealth games in 2021. Imagine fans singing along to ” milky way ” as if it were the aussie equivalent to ” stairway to heaven ” i have follwed the church since i was 16 and never stopped. If the Church hangs it up, It would be a cataclysmic event in showbiz. I’d compare it to when masses of ” seinfeld ” fans had to seek therapy when the show signed off. SK i beg you …… please don’t make me see a headfixer. Can you picture me in a padded cell just mumbling over and over ” sometimes when this place gets kind of empty ” ?

  71. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 October 2006 at 3:03 pm #

    i think sk was just referring to this particular set of shows bring over. ya know “the curtain comes down, the circus comes down, leaves begin to fall”.

    plus, he told me in atlanta that they would keep it coming.

    richard

  72. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 October 2006 at 3:03 pm #

    “circus leaves town”

    ooops

    richard

  73. avatar
    davem | 14 October 2006 at 4:18 pm #

    I hope the last night goes really well.
    Keeping it all crossed that Richard’s correct. I downloaded the loft session earlier….wonderful. Thanks for everything SK. Hope you will keep it coming!
    Love you more,

    Dave M

  74. avatar
    gareth,notts | 14 October 2006 at 4:25 pm #

    SK,if you would’ve jacked everything in after priest=aura we wouldnt have all the amazing music from SA,MATS,REFO:MATION,HOB,BOB,AENT, FY,ULTC,not to mention all the solo stuff,collaborations,poetry,art etc.i’m sure you’ve plenty more classics left in you guys yet! i mean the Stones keep rattlin’ on but they’re merely a tribute to a great band whose best days are behind them.you guys keep on creating timeless classics on each and every album.the church were awesome upto G.A.F.but then improved tenfold and raised the bar for guitar bands which few,if any have ever matched.you guys are one of the few bands who constantly improve,let the creativity continue,just be sure to share it with us!!!

  75. avatar
    erosoplier | 14 October 2006 at 4:51 pm #

    I looked into the maths* a little while ago Steve – in short, it’s more likely that the universe created itself out of nothing than there is a God who created the universe. Coz in the latter case, how did God get created? Out of nothing? If something is going to be created out of nothing, then it’s far easier to create something simple, like the beginnings of a universe, than it is to create something complex, like a God who is capable of creating universes. (*Actually, I didn’t consult any cosmic statiticians, I just thunk this all up in my head – don’t trust a word of it).

    So much for that – the original chicken-or-egg conundrum – but what the mathematicians and the other scientists have failed to acknowledge, or failed to demand the acknowledgment of, despite any professional obligations, is that what we are here participating in is still nigh on *a fucking miracle*. It may be a million times more likely that the universe popped out of nothing than it is a God popped the universe out of nothing, but the fundamental fact is, the chances of *anything* popping out of nothing are infinitesimal. All science seems to be doing is help us piss our miracle against the wall.

    I was brought up in a secular environment, but more and more I’m finding a place for God in my language – if only to pay respect to the reality which our shabby “scientific” culture ignores. I’d like to have a close relationship to God like I see other people having, but the fleeting apprehensions of mystery (and plan) I’ve had thus far are enough for me to guide my life, I guess (and thank you for your help re. this btw Steve). The terrible truth is, more and more, I’m finding a place for the idea of “evil” in my language – a bit like Hugo Chavez. God and the devil may or may not exist, but I think there might be something perfectly scientific about the notion of evil within the realm of human culture. What’s stopping me from being closer to God is our un-Godly human culture. I need to hold hands with my brothers and sisters in order to feel the glory of God! Where are my brothers and sisters? What else could be more important than basking in the glory of God?

  76. avatar
    Anonymous | 14 October 2006 at 9:55 pm #

    What else could be more important than basking in the glory of our God?
    what a way to say..
    this should be a title for a Concerto?
    ok I’ll do it….

    Great words again sk
    tis not a trick question
    is there or isnt there?
    it is about atunement completely
    its about being an artisan of the soul
    to realize that the edge cannot be smoothed
    because there is not an edge but a center to polish
    and anyone can learn how and one should
    because its beyond immediate attention
    its in the softer moments and in all the anguish
    that is this universe of blackholes, quazaars, and supernovas
    the maya of this reality the non-knowledge of its charm
    the illusion of dualities, good and evil, male and female.
    science cannot formulate this people…

    the yogic paths of enlightenment are that, no mystery here yall
    its not a bluff, nothing you can see that isnt shown, its easy but not…
    all you need it love, courage, understanding, know your history
    its all on you, its about the plunge into the abyss
    its real its real its real its so real
    its not a simple hobby,
    its a song, a dance and a walk..
    thats why it comes back to us in discussion..

    the knowledge of realization helps the soul overstand
    to have strength thru Love and Meditation
    to smile, penetrate and deify everything.
    to see the most unfortunate and realize
    it is I, all is I
    its the ability to telepath into experience
    its about all the songs you ever fucking wrote man

    the athiest is dead
    is but matter revolving into itself
    without knowing how and why
    not to be unkind but you gotta
    go through it,the layers of maya
    yu gotta experience it, you owe it to your divinity
    resist the fanatical, the sensational, empty logistics of reason
    how can you encapsulate the whole consciousness of the universe
    without ever hearing the resounding note that speaks to us all..
    its all love…

    sermon over..
    shit goddamn
    get off yo ass and jam

    jaime r…….

  77. avatar
    lorrain | 15 October 2006 at 12:41 am #

    hi sk and friendly fans,
    reading all your clever controversial thoughts confirm i was right to ever trust my in-ear monitor, like most of you did.
    scientific and mystic emerge indeed, and reason is challenged, so let’s enjoy the ride !
    Be magnetic my archaeologists !
    Rock pulls thru Astralia !

  78. avatar
    triantelope | 15 October 2006 at 1:49 am #

    ‘What else could be more important than basking in the glory of God?’

    How about basking in the glory of reality..??

  79. avatar
    isolde | 15 October 2006 at 1:54 am #

    and I dreamed your dream for you

  80. avatar
    razor edalb | 15 October 2006 at 2:55 am #

    I can’t help it.

    “erosoplier said…

    I looked into the maths* a little while ago Steve – in short, it’s more likely that the universe created itself out of nothing than there is a God who created the universe.”

    The only impossibility is nothing and that’s a fact, Jack.

  81. avatar
    galamor the wizard | 15 October 2006 at 3:03 am #

    God, i didn’t mean to end the Church with my earlier comments…heaven forbid!!!

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    (('{~_~}')) | 15 October 2006 at 3:03 am #

    There is evidence to suggest that our DNA may predispose us toward religious faith and spirituality. In the book “The God Gene: How Faith is Hard-Wired into Our Genes,” by American geneticist Dean Hamer, a particular gene, VMAT2, which stands for ‘vesicular monoamine transporter no. 2’, handles one type of brain chemical, monoamines, that have a lot to do with emotional sensitivity. It regulates the flow of mood-altering chemicals in the brain. People with one version of the gene tend to score a little higher on self-transcendence tests. Although the influence is small, it is consistent. Hamer claims people with one variant of the VMAT2 gene tend to be more spiritual, while those with another variant tend to be less so.

    Hamer asked volunteers 226 questions in order to determine how spiritually connected they felt to the universe. The higher their score, the greater the person’s ability to believe in a greater spiritual force and, Hamer found, the more likely they were to share the gene VMAT2. Apparently, there is supporting evidence to the genetic basis for spirituality based on twins separated at birth who tend to have similar levels of spirituality, despite their different upbringings. Also, identical twins who share the same DNA are about twice as likely to share similar levels of spirituality compared to fraternal twins.

    Hamer says, “Buddha, Muhammad and Jesus all shared a series of mystical experiences or alterations in consciousness and thus probably carried the gene,” he said. “This means that the tendency to be spiritual is part of genetic makeup. This is not a thing that is strictly handed down from parents to children. It could skip a generation. It’s like intelligence.”

    Nature may favour genes that promote an inclination to faith. Studies suggest that religious people may live longer than the less religious. They seem to adopt healthier lifestyles, for example, they are less likely to smoke. Faith itself may give people strength to overcome illness. After all, if placebo sugar pills work, why not faith in God?

    None of this answers the question of whether God exists. The faithful can believe that God wired us to appreciate divinity, while atheists can argue that God may simply be a figment of our VMAT2 gene. So there you have it, some of us may believe in God, while others may not have the right DNA in them to believe.

  83. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 October 2006 at 3:21 am #

    ..also Steve, I was thinking this the other day sitting out in the ocean, enjoying my existence, that, now you are not offended by exercise and water anymore, have you ever thought about taking up surfing? I’ve been using Seance and Blurred Crusade to take me back to my youth and act as “psychedelic-surf-psyche-up” music. Works a treat. Perfect.

  84. avatar
    craig | 15 October 2006 at 5:50 am #

    the speculating speculator in me wonders about cosmic bursts affecting dna…….say as we move through space, making a trip/cycle around our alligned course, we move through different levels or areas of energy…….at a certain point we move back into a place where we’ve been before…..like a space where the avatar energy resides…..readjusting/realigning our dna with the help of these bursts…….which results in a return to a more expanded consciousness…….perhaps, “remembering it all”………now……. throw in some evil puppetmasters…….”pirates of the sacred spiral” types……..who are aware of all this…….would we then get an all out attempt to cement the illusions of seperation, fear, hate, anxiety, etc?………..attempts to put us in some sort of eternal ionespheric hypno-daze?………i dunno……..perhaps

  85. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 October 2006 at 9:16 am #

    @jaime r, et al

    What a crock of muddle-headed nonsense.
    Steve, i admire your patience .

  86. avatar
    razor edalb | 15 October 2006 at 1:50 pm #

    Craig,

    It could be possible that there are subtle changes of energy in space which effect the entire planet (and not just man), but I know that the Earth itself is constantly changing from within. The poles shift, the planet wobbles, etc. These known things could have subtle effects on man’s perceptions of the spititual world or even then more concrete physical aspects of man’s genetic makeup.

  87. avatar
    Anonymous | 15 October 2006 at 11:55 pm #

    dear anon
    a crock aye
    muddled sure, all over my Dna jeans
    all you’re testing for is probability
    whats the equation for spirituality?
    another divisive little half-study
    to confuse,
    you guys set yourself up everytime
    and its what you conceptualize the universe to be that
    would set a context for measurement
    I mean how many turtles to infinity..
    thats measurable too right..
    when the universe speaks you just might have to listen
    who do you listen to??..the white man in the white coat.
    sure..
    to yu anon
    I am not teaching what I know
    words dont measure up to what I know
    but hey, for yu
    its easy these words
    so a duel perhaps
    set me straight..
    yu cant really take me on as yu are
    cuz I only filter it for yu
    meet me anywhere
    and come correct as I will..

    What doesnt make sense to yu?
    and can you do away with your senses?
    I have done studied it now, Sagan, Jung, Campbell, Huxley
    its all up here..
    I hope yu can propose something other than badmouthin..

    cause I used to wear the athiest garb
    why? cuz it was easy, cause depending on who you are
    you may have less opportunity to realize the Ultimate..
    cuz i hit a wall, cuz everything in nature was unclear, cause its easy to assimilate even as an intellectual..
    and I almost forgot how lucky I was,
    then with wiser eyes I reacquainted myself with the beloved Vedanta (Yoga)..
    then began to study and re-study
    and to experience and apply,to find maya in tangibility and the fractals that ensued..

    the dark side was apparent as it always was, i said, “but I am not afraid
    then the voice said, Oh, but you will be, you will be…
    so now the method finds its purpose..
    so now I have shown my cards, so what is it?…
    so will yu research, what it is?
    this truth, or turn away enboldened by ignorance
    go on, I implore you, Wikipedia: Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, Vedanta,
    the real truth..
    and then if your curious read them my friend
    cause youll never learn on your own..
    I have quarters in the dagobah system
    and theres no room for easy chairs kid..

    and hey tell me where your at
    who do you seek for your musings
    are you even curious? can you recieve?
    I hope yu come here for the right reasons..
    I almost didnt want to post this cuz it could be
    misconstrued as egotistical
    but hey fuck it
    where yu at?? I am here…
    peace,

    jaime r….

  88. avatar
    Anonymous | 16 October 2006 at 7:30 am #

    hellloooo

    anyone home?

    B.Bon


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