posted on May 7, 2009 at 9:03 pm

while waiting at doctors to do my treadmill stress test
i read an article by bryce courtney
and he said that theres 2 types
writers and story tellers
he said most people were one or the other
he mentioned an indian writer (k.s. narayan)
whom he considered “that rare thing, both…”
i guess i am a writer
i’m not a very good story teller
i cant sustain a huge plot
with all the mechanisms
i dont have that kinda imagination
i’m more of a make stuff up and fuck continuity
i use my surrealism n prose poem malarkey
to cover up the fact that i just cant sustain a story
i’d say tolkien more of storyteller
i’d say peake more of writer
i’d say our c.s. was a bitta both
oh my my
gee theyre different things arent they
i met rick grossman from the hoodoo gurus in the street yessaday
we were talking about rock auto bios
he said mark seymours book was fucking hilarious
we both agreed ronnie woods was abysmal
despite him having an amazing tale to tell
he just wasnt a writer
(amazing painter tho)
(now hes holed up in some pub with a 16 year czech girl or sumpthing!)
the best rock read i ever read was “hard road” about stevie wright
from the easybeats (friday on my mind)
written by jack marx
(seek this book out…you wont put it down)
scintillating dark stuff indeed
it has stayed with me…
i drifted into science fiction in my late teenage days
but not asimov et all
i liked science fantasy
which was kinda an updated tolkien inspired thing
tolkien is the father of almost all science fantasy
as well as that guy who wrote conan the barbarian
(i devoured those books too)
michael moorcock wrote a series of interconnected novels
about a “hero” who comes back to different planes n times
sometimes an albino addicted to his heroin-like sword
sometimes as dorian hawkmoon with his inlaid skull jewel
sometimes as corum a kinda disenfranchised “elf”
in one incredible climax
the heroes join up as one huge conglomerate….wow!
but so much of sci-fantasy is like a re run of tolkien
you red the back cover n you red the book:
when the queen of nimbob
lady goosequill
loses her enchanted unicorn
she must fight the evil lord
journey through the land of grong
where the bing bangs dwell
and so hazard a quest that will imperil her lovely magic ring
part 3 of the silver butterfly trilogy
now being made into a film
starring sean connery and justin timberlake as snoggo the dwarf…
dylan thomas is a marvellous writer
straddling the border of poetry and prose
hes a writers writer
and his use of english is extraordinary
like seeing a master pianist fly over the 88s
in one sentence you are completely floored
bob dylan who named himself after thomas
wrote an unreadable book of poetry called tarantula
and then wrote that wonderful chronicles book
which was a little time being-ish
in its ability to blur facts and fiction
i guess that is my goal with this blog thing
to blur the line between…everything
just like dylan
a lot of things are written as exaggerations
or imaginings
or mere possibilities
into my mix i throw
real life
my deepest n realest feelings
my memories
my memories of memories
my lyrics my art my music my poetry
my ranting n raving
after all i am a self opinionated old mufo
i am a self proclaimed genius n i got a lot to say
this is a crazy crazy world
we think its sensible n sane
but its wildly illogical and anything can happen
and writing is a powerful thing
mightier than violence they say
in its ability to persuade men
for example the bible
the bible is just a book after all
a book some geezer wrote
or a few different geezers actually
some of em get credited
some of em dont get credited
some of em didnt want credits when they edited n chopped n changed it
a meeting of editors got together
probably drank some wine n
visited some brothels
and finally they would have shouted each other down
in nicae
and whole bits got kicked out
like thomas n jude etc
bits that didnt suit the kinda propaganda
that the editors were trying to shape
i was presented with this book as a child
it was printed on strange flimsy paper
it was written in archaic language
(that SEEMED to possess authority)
and it was illustrated with guys tearing down temples blinded
or whales swallowing down geezers etc
i did not dare question it
it had all the weight of the ages
i thought the fact i couldnt find the “good” in it
was my fault
that i was somehow evil etc
you see…?
presentation is everything
i was told…it was implied…that this was all true
not just the myths of some forgotten wandering desert tribe
it was given to you as verbatim
at the risk of yer soul burning (FOREVER!!!)
and thats a long long time baby
so its a bit like whatever radioheads new record is
its like
and people sit at home silently saying to emselves
i dont like or understand kid a at all
but the force of the myth is everything
but now im digressing
but digressing is what i do
turn yer weaknesses into strengths
i’m a stoned old ninny
my thoughts wander hither n thither
so i disguise my weakness as a deliberate device
and i build on it
and it becomes a feature of what i do
go with that instinct
that instinct to be you
oh influences are hard to shuck off
as a musician i am basically the sum total of all my influences
as a painter i have no influences
as a writer i am half half
seeing i never really wanted to be a writer
i aint slavishly imitated anybody particularly
its an advantage to jump disciplines sometimes
lyricists are different from writers
lyricists have the music to fall back on
and the way its sung
i rate the following lyricists
dylan lennon mccartney harrison jagger
patti smith verlaine springsteen bowie bolan
strange foxx devoto dulli calvert kate bush
and more that i forget
jimbo of course
jimi hendrix wrote some good words too
but its a different ballgame
i still cant finish this here
tomorrow : final installment
test results
heart good
lungs good
pancreas good! (i feel so sorry for poor patrick swayze!)
kidneys good
prostate good (whew)
liver not so good…bad enzymes from too much abuse
cholesterol not so good…amazingly as a vegan
i have some naughty “bad” cholesterol
jesus…imagine if i ate dead meat…?
thyroid not so good
i have the beginnings of hypo thyroidism
which means my thyroid is working under
me : what does thyroid do?
quack : everything!!
this accounts for my constant freezing n feeling cold
and for my dry skin n my coarse lifeless hair
actually the thyroid could be fucking up the cholesterol too…
its more tests
but you know
im pushing sixty n stuff is gonna start clapping out!
so far
my eyes(dim)
my ears (self inflicted!)
my liver is shonky (ditto)
my thyroid (pass the iodine)
my cholesterol (cholest we forget!)
my mind (clinically in sain!)
my ego (swollen)
my inner fucknuckle (rampant)
my inner brute (i know who you are!)
no more medical news for now
will keep ya informed

38 Responses to “writers n writing (2)”

  1. avatar
    veleska1970 | 7 May 2009 at 10:31 pm #

    good news about your tests, for the most part at least. i have hypothyroidism, too. i’ve had it for about 10 years. and the doc’s right~~the thyroid controls everything, so it’s a good chance that the cholesterol is out of whack because of your thyroid. your doctor will probably prescribe a synthetic thyroid for you.

    “will keep ya informed”
    please do!! we care about you.

    lotza love…..

  2. avatar
    Cee | 7 May 2009 at 10:40 pm #

    Milk thistle for the liver.

    yeah went to the dentist yesterday, now I have to go see a periodontist about my back molar. I hate the dentist.

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    princey | 7 May 2009 at 11:43 pm #

    Ha! knew you couldn’t stop at #2!
    (awww Ryan sounds SO chuffed)

    I’m so relieved about your health results too, especially knowing no serious diseases are lurking about in ya system. I’ve got thyroid problems too, (thru lack of iodine in diet, although I grew up eating food heavily laced with(iodised)salt, as most Greeks are haha!). Hope something can be done to improve your liver function sk, no more onstage/backstage alchy drinks for you on the upcoming U.S. tour maybe? I remember seeing Crowded House live years ago, and Neil Finn was having cups of tea as his stage drinks…huh???? seemed strange but kinda suited his “mr nice” image s’pose.
    Take care and look forward to more writers blog tomorrow.
    Love Amanda
    P.S. do we life-long subsribers get to pick a hot topic during yer May Madness Blogtopic Sale?????

  4. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 8 May 2009 at 12:14 am #

    Cholesteral is also internally secreted by the liver. A vegan diet can’t ensure human health but if the whole world was comprised of vegan and veetarian Jains, the earth would be like Eden.

    Dear Ryan:

    Please read “Aurelia” by Gerard De Nerval.” It’s a masterful sureealistic prose dissection of mind and soul completed only a year before his death. It’s a mind rending odyssey of cultural and spiritual exploration shared by its tormented author and his spellbound readers. Nerval’s search for the ideal woman his fountainhead of grace and salvation is personified in the distant Aurelia, based on his real life obseession with the actress Jenny Colon.”

    Nerval Bio

    Harrased by poverty and growing instability, he supposedly committed suicide when the contrast between his visionary life and the reality of his sordid existence finally became unbearable. His friends said that Nerval was the nicest and kindest soul that they ever knew and would never ever harm a fly.

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    Celticat | 8 May 2009 at 12:40 am #

    “my inner fucknuckle (rampant)”

    I Love it!! Gave me a good chuckle first thing this morning.

    Love to all

  6. avatar
    Finn | 8 May 2009 at 1:36 am #

    I’m glad to see that the mighty Robert Calvert is among the lyricists you rate. I’ve known you were a Hawkwind fan, but the Calvert led era is particularly awesome to these ears, not least because of Calvert’s delivery and lyrics. Oh yes.

    I happen to be sitting here listening to The Blurred Crusade, which is actually quite writerly. Looking forward to seeing the Crunch in the USA…

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    Hellbound Heart | 8 May 2009 at 1:43 am #

    …had a chuckle about your comment re: lord of the rings knock offs….justin timberlake as snoggo the dwarf…..snooort…

    i like tad williams, his otherworld series (at least i think it’s what it’s called)….wonderful mix of science fiction and fantasy….
    love always……

  8. avatar
    EDD | 8 May 2009 at 3:37 am #

    I understand and like Kid A. I know what you mean about the myth though…..

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    Anonymous | 8 May 2009 at 4:31 am #

    kid a and in rainbows might be my faves, im more concerned about the myth of the bends being so good…
    nice to see old howie devoto mentioned have been listening to the first 2 mag albums lately..fantastic to find out that Steve and i share the same top 3 writers! maybe add david lindsay and george macdonald to that list if sci-fi/fantasy is your thing…

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    Anonymous | 8 May 2009 at 5:15 am #

    So you don’t like the bible eh steve? Hopefully you will mention it many more times. Jesus you can sure beat a dead horse. How do you feel about George Bush? I voted for him twice and would have loved to been able to vote for him a third time. Barack does have charisma as you say, did you know he is sending extra troops into afghanistan? As soon as the first child is killed all bets are off as you say, does that also apply to Obama? Please let me know. Thank you.

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    linjo | 8 May 2009 at 6:25 am #

    my mind (sane)!
    even though you are a fantasy man it seems you are so confronting and honest about yourself.
    ‘whales swallowing down geezers’ ha ha !
    Glad you ok in all departments Steve. Genes will come into play no matter how healthy we live. A cancer spokesperson at a fundraiser last weekend here described those who live long after a life of abusing their bodies as having the “Rolls Royce” of genes. (Keef must av em!) Maybe the thyroid is familial. What brand of soy milk is the least adulterated? anyone? Thanks for an entertaining blog today.
    Do love ‘In Rainbows’ from song 3 on.

  12. avatar
    lily was here | 8 May 2009 at 7:41 am #

    You’re the 1st bloke I’ve known to have a thyroid problem. Trust you to be different! As for your ego, ha ha, maybe an icepack wont do it LOL I remember telling someone back in ’95 that when we start talking about medical ailments online then we’ll know we’re getting old ๐Ÿ™‚ Lucky you got a lot of good bits working well but look after that liver.

    As you know Im a bigtime Narnia fan too. Of recent writers, last night I started reading Franz Kafka’s The Metamorphosis via Dailylit. I got so hooked on it, i read most of in one go, instead of instalments. I see his style in yours as well at times. You are a writer and a teller of tales; albeit an impatient one. You have ADST – Attention Deficit Story Telling.

    love xox

    ps i highly recommend Bryce Courtenays April Fools Day to anyone who can hack it. Bryce Courtenay mentioned in an interview once about C.S. Lewis’s son asking Lewis why he wrote. And Lewis
    “So they know they’re not alone.” In a sense, that’s why I’m writing, so I know I’m not alone.”

  13. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 May 2009 at 7:45 am #

    Just had a look for Brien’s recommendation of Gerard de Nerval, and saw that Wikipedia mentions that he used to have a pet lobster (called Thibault?) which he would take for walks in Paris.

    Apparently he thought of them as “peaceful, serious creatures, who know the secrets of the sea, and don’t bark”.

    Kinda reminds me of ‘On Angel Street’ again, because my first impression of that song was that it was Parisian-ish. Dunno why, just a feeling.

    After yesterday’s blog I was thinking of ‘Sisters’ and ‘Life Speeds Up’, which also got me thinking about Charlotte Sometimes by The Cure. Strange how things knock into each other, and trigger events

  14. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 May 2009 at 8:39 am #

    That guy was Robert E. Howard. He wrote a far darker, more grimly realistic fantasy than Tolkien. Howard’s work is devoid of hope, here or hereafter and has far more in common with Dashiel Hammett and Raymond Chandler than with Tolkien.
    I’ve always found your own prose poetry to be somewhat redolent of that of Clark Ashton Smith.

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    12str | 8 May 2009 at 9:03 am #

    How about writing under the influence of mystical substances and various potions such as for example Absinthe.. Strindbergs “Inferno” is a good example of this.. I guess Burroughs “Naked Lunch” must have been written under the influence?!

    What do you think about Lyricist as D Sylvian, L Reed, J Kerr for example? When it comes to autobiographies i really enjoyed Dylans “Chronicles” The part of recording “Oh Mercy” in New Orleans with D Lanois as producer is fantastic.. Did you ever consider Lanois as a potential producer for a Church album?

    Hmm prostate.. dont really want a rubbercoated finger somewhere..Glad youre OK…gave me a reminder though ๐Ÿ™‚


  16. avatar
    CAPTAIN BEYOND | 8 May 2009 at 9:24 am #

    hmmm, might be your hyperthyroid…

  17. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 May 2009 at 9:38 am #

    Steve, I hope for your sake you give up eating soy products because they are actually bad for you and impair thyroid function along with causing many other hormone problems. Fermented soy is ok to eat and actually quite good for you, eg: tempeh and miso. I used to eat soy products myself until I found out the truth about it.

  18. avatar
    heather | 8 May 2009 at 9:45 am #

    sorry, haven’t even read the blog; (hashimotos, I got it)….but…Pangaea!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah! Yeah!….a pop classic!

    Slid the disc into the car player last week and kept pressing replay…song number two..LLC..all the way from Syd to Can (…ney and berra that is)over and over

    playing air drums around the house, doing the head banging thing…dancing even…smiling into the air

    joyous, rockin’, loving, loud, soft, wow

    you guys are good

    happy birthday belatedly NK beautiful woman



  19. avatar
    fantasticandy | 8 May 2009 at 10:05 am #

    then gawd knows what you’ll make of our latest.
    i’m bracing myself and battening down the hatches!

    lots of vegans have high cholesterol levels and thyroid irregularities.
    slight chemical imbalances,
    easily put right these days.
    soon as ya get some statins and stuff in the olde system, yer liver will come right again too.
    minor things really for an olde geezer!
    pleasing news to these ears(and many others)…the circulatory system is the thing that can bugger you up the most ‘n yours seems fine.
    so…good health mr. kilbey.
    andy L.

  20. avatar
    Freddie | 8 May 2009 at 11:39 am #

    I’m enjoying this discussion very much Sir. ๐Ÿ™‚

    And thank you to cstcoach!

  21. avatar
    I SATELLITE | 8 May 2009 at 1:35 pm #

    “Part 3 of the silver butterfly trilogy”

    Having read a lot of crappy fantasy books, this cracks me up. It’s so true!

    Looking forward to seeing you live in Grand Rapids and Detroit Steve! I’ll be front row center!

  22. avatar
    John Garratt | 8 May 2009 at 1:47 pm #


    I love “Kid A” too. Just can’t help it. It’s a gut thing.

    I happily distinguish ‘myth’ from ‘gut.’ As I get older, I can finally split the two apart.


    Praise for “The Hobbit” is still ‘myth’ to me.

  23. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 May 2009 at 2:34 pm #

    hey killer,
    what about a blog about the lad from sparks lane?

  24. avatar
    Shirley Sally | 8 May 2009 at 2:43 pm #

    Best rock book I ever read was A Dysfunctional Success by Eric Gouldon. Eric was Wreckless Eric and he captures Britain in the late 70s and punk beautifully. I reckon your dry skin and course lifeless hair will have more to do with swimming every day than your thyroid.

  25. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 May 2009 at 2:46 pm #

    indeed, “Hard Road” is quite a sobering, cautionary, and sad tale of Stevie Wright and his fall from grace, so to speak-worth a read if you can find it…one ‘rock’ bio read that I recommend is “Kraftwerk: I Was a Robot” by Wolfgang Flur, who was in K-Werk….a nice read and some interesting tidbits, even to a not-huge Kraftwerk fan like me! Jim

  26. avatar
    timetunnel | 8 May 2009 at 5:21 pm #

    Corum, Hawkmoon etc, wow, I had completely forgotten them. But they were all great reads in the distant past. Mental note: put on list for a re-read.

  27. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 May 2009 at 5:46 pm #

    My list of the great lyricists is pretty much the same as your’s.
    Except mine would contain Roger Waters.

    Peace and God Bless,
    Tampa, Fl

  28. avatar
    12str | 8 May 2009 at 8:03 pm #

    U#23…what an album!!!!taking Beatles and Pink Floyd the way they didnยดt knew was possible to go…admire your music and art!!

  29. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 May 2009 at 8:10 pm #

    I’ve heard yellow dock is great for the liver too. I love your writer’s voice. Where Tolkien meets Bowie – maybe that’s what I love so much about your music and lyrics. Wish I were diverted here more often. Must try not to fall so far behind. Stay well.

    – Sarah

  30. avatar
    restaurant mark | 8 May 2009 at 8:54 pm #

    good one today…
    like edd i get and like kid a…how to disappear completely, optimistic…great songs. i do understand that they’re kind of put on a pedestal…but musically they’ve kind of earned it. the church is on a pedestal for their fans too (me included)…and you’ve earned it. and we don’t really question it either…we just expect and know it’ll be great music. anyway…

    take care

  31. avatar
    eek | 8 May 2009 at 9:04 pm #

    Wow, you really are getting the full workup. Overall it sounds as if we’re going to get to keep you for a while yet. Yay!

    “presentation is everything
    i was told…it was implied…that this was all true
    not just the myths of some forgotten wandering desert tribe
    it was given to you as verbatim
    at the risk of yer soul burning (FOREVER!!!)
    and thats a long long time baby”

    You’re right, presentation really does matter. I was lucky because I got my early religious education from my mother, so while a lot of it was done in a more “serious” setting (Sunday school at church), the bible story stuff didn’t seem to me to be all that different from all the other myths and fairy tales I’d read (or had read to me). Mum wasn’t really good as a church propaganda pusher — she was just unable to say the norse or greek or egyptian gods and goddesses were just myths but “our” guys were absolutely real. Thanks, mum!

    As for Radiohead — I’ve never been able to get past Yorke’s voice. Too much whine for me.

    Ryan — you’re sure getting a lot of bang for your buck! And all the rest of us are getting to enjoy it too.

  32. avatar
    ross b | 9 May 2009 at 12:51 am #

    I'm finishing an online creative writing course this weekend, thankfully. Creative fiction is not where I want to take my writing but I'm glad I've gone through the motions and stuck with a course to realise that. The modules and lessons were good. I prefer the diary/memoir type stuff!

    Biographies on Brian Jones I always find to be particularly compelling! I like to devour bios on the big three, beatles stones & dylan!!

  33. avatar
    CSTCoach | 9 May 2009 at 2:10 am #

    Thanks Killa. Some really great advice in here, and more (much appreciated) fodder for the reading list.

    I get what you’re saying about writer vs storyteller. I’m always amazed by someone who can sustain a fictional narrative over the long haul. I don’t think i can. That’s why i always write about myself and my own experiences (and why i never had anything to say until i got out into the world and lived a bit). But travel writing is just a window, a way in. Just as you say, the goal is to blur the lines between everything. For me that means autobiography, culture, anthropology, myth, time and space, dream and reality, landscape and the music in my head. It’s just a way in to another worldview.

    I also loved what you said about turning weakness into strength. Martial art is all about that, of course. And so is writing. I hate working and am useless in the 9 to 5. Travel writing just legitimates being unemployable. (when i say ‘travel writing’ i’m not talking about vacation pieces, or ‘isn;t it lovely here’. I mean those journeys that force you into contact with the infinite. and that drive you further into inner space. your music does that for me too. it’s just a way to set yourself free. as rimbaud wrote, a systematic derangement of the senses. it’s what happens when you really plunge into the unknown.

    great stuff! i’m away doing the coaching thing this weekend, but will print these when i get home and will send a book order.

    thanks also to all my fellow fiendss and friends on here for the many recommendations. i appreciate them and will look them up.

    Brien – de Nerval is at the top of my ordering list. This sounds exactly up my alley. Very excited to check him out. Thanks brother!

  34. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 May 2009 at 3:22 am #

    Yes, D Lanois could help the church make a (nother) masterpiece me thinks.

    He is truly a magician, sage, all round nice guy and motherfucker on mood, vocals and keepin it real.

  35. avatar
    lily was here | 9 May 2009 at 3:35 am #

    ps I meant i read Metamorphosis recently, NOT that Franz is a recent writer

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    grow fins | 9 May 2009 at 10:26 am #

    I think you could bang on for days about writers n writing before you get to Doestoyevsky or Dusty Esky as Flacco might call him or Vonnegut, Burrows, and so many others.
    Cholesterol readings have a large genetically influenced factor in their measurements. Not much you can do about that.
    The book is a cracking good read.

  37. avatar
    Jerry J (JJ) | 9 May 2009 at 12:49 pm #

    It sounds as if you have no major ailments nor decay, TTB. Minor age and lifestyle concerns, but none of the mega life-threatening maladies that I’ve seen in some our age.

    Rock bios: Not an auto, but John Densmore’s book on the Lizard KIng was a fascinating read; devoured it in two evenings alone.

    Keep up the goji juice and swimming.

    Kindest Regard,


  38. avatar
    Mary | 12 May 2009 at 5:11 am #

    hi steve, im so happy that your test results came out good, i had my test results done too and i got diagnosed with MS 100% and i feel like someone hit me in the stomache so hard i cant breath, i really dont know how to take the news, all i do is listen to your cds over and over again cuz thats the only thing that makes me happy, i have never been so sad before like this, i know i have a loving husband and great friends but i still feel like something inside me died, i love to read your blogs, if there is a poem or something about my type of situation you would like to write a poem about to make me feel better dedicated to me, i would love to read it, anything at all, i know that is asking alot, but i do love your music, and your lyrics are wonderful, im just in a really dark place right now, thanks for reading our letters to you.

    love always

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