posted on April 24, 2008 at 10:19 pm

i dont believe in war
today is the day australians and new zealanders
celebrate/mourn/remember our fallen countrymen
when i was growing up we were told they were our glorious dead
we were encouraged to believe that war was necessary part of life
and that if the empire called
we should give our lives gladly
im sorry
i never swallowed this propaganda
there is a park near here..the kids play there sometimes
a little monument to the young men
whose lives came to an inglorious end in turkey or europe
during WW1
there is an unusual name mckellar or something
and there are 5 or 6 of them there
some woman lost her father and her brothers and her sons
one after another mown down in some foreign mud somewhere…
can any one here tell me why those MILLIONS of young men died?
for the empire?
for the glory?
for the adventure?
to stop the bloody hun?
to me it seems an incredible inexplicable tragedy
that great war oh what a great war we’re having…
barbed wire
mustard gas
machine guns
dysentry
mud
blood
guts
decay
pain and screaming
firing squads for deserters we now realise were shell-shocked
rah rah rah!
good old lord kitchener and his generals….tally ho
we’ll give em what for eh boys?
keep dodging those bullets for another 4 years
youll get a little medal and maybe a pension
im sorry
i dont believe in war
miserymaker heartbreaker lovetaker
gallipoli, vietnam, crimea, korea
they keep selling us this lie
that war can solve things
that war is the only way
that its manly that its our duty
those young men who lost their lives
all of them
yes they were brave
yes they were courageous
yes they did their duty and made the ultimate sacrifice
but what good did it do?
we fought n fought for a few muddy miles in france
my grandfathers too
it was a lie
that they needed to die
we lied
the enemy lied
the kings horses n men lied
it was gruesome and pointless
in the way we attempt to glorify these dead soldiers
is contained the implication
that to die in some useless war is a worthy end
one can aspire to it…
so next time someone needs some dirtywork done
there will be more young men
to fling against the enemy
while the unscrupulous belligerent cowards
sit safe at home
unconcerned for the lady in bondi who lost every male member
of her family
wanna go to iraq?
saddams got the wmds i hear…
ok all aboard lets go!
cmon dont be slow
no need to wonder why
whoopee
we’re all gonna die!

35 Responses to “anzac day 08”

  1. avatar
    Sharka | 24 April 2008 at 11:55 pm #

    I couldn’t agree more. War is a scam and to hold “service” in such high esteem is sick, really. I’m not sure where the need to glorify it comes from…

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    jactin | 25 April 2008 at 12:06 am #

    I reckon you should submit this one to the pulp moguls….

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    Chopper | 25 April 2008 at 12:16 am #

    On the couch this morning, hungover. It really has hold of me. Once a terrible THC addict I woke up one morning and threw half a pound from under the kitchen sink in the bin and said “that is it”. Have never touched it again yet cannot kick booze. Words of wisdom please SK as I aint wanna be no Mark Latham, Derrin Hynch, Uncle Bob, etc etc. My liver and pancreas are screaming at me.

    Anyway John Williamson is on TV singing True Blue and I cannot cope. I hate war too SK, an I hate how TV cashes in on Anzac day an I was born in an army hospital in Changi, on the soil where so much pain and screaming and starving occured.

    So I put on the SK live DVD to avoid anymore true blue TV. The invisible medley is one of your best. Bye Bye Pride and Heroin two of the most beautiful songs ever sung by one of the best songwriters ever. I have not listened to Herion since 1999 when I lost someone and it became too close, but what an amazing song.

    A beautiful performance SK, second to your live gig in Rozelle 1994with Stephen Cummings and MWP’s guitar efforts in 1992 Aura tour. Thanks for brightening up my morning and making me cry at the same time.

    46000 young Aussie lads died saving some French town. Im confused. It is however nice that the French acknowledge and pay respect.

    Enjoy Anzac day.

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    Pale Rider | 25 April 2008 at 12:32 am #

    Not the sort of thing we really talk about in the States–I will blog this and link to you, simply because I think your message is pretty crystal clear–

    “it was gruesome and pointless”

    as all wars seem to be.

    Couldn’t love you more for what you do and all the blessings unto you and yours–there are many ways to describe genius, but the Killer just is…

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    tim | 25 April 2008 at 1:21 am #

    and the loved ones refuse to believe that they may have died in vain…

    they call it capitolism but we all know that the west and most of the world is living in a state of corporate facism. Not just when it comes to big oil and big business destroying our earth but the murder industry just announced record profits this quarter..the war machine rolls on..

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    tim | 25 April 2008 at 1:23 am #

    where’s that painkiller?

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    snowfaller | 25 April 2008 at 1:43 am #

    War is just another way for the rich to get richer…

    The Renaissance Man can take on war someday on his television show.

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    CSTCoach | 25 April 2008 at 1:44 am #

    my grandfather died in the second world war, just a couple months after my mother was born. he saw her once, then was shipped back overseas. they were told he was a tail gunner in a bomber, and was shot down coming back to england on a mission from germany. only now, more than 50 years later, did a relative go over and dig up the war records. turns out their plane crashed coming back into UK on a training flight. all those young guys, futures wiped out, and for what?

    no one wins.

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    Mega-Jason | 25 April 2008 at 1:51 am #

    My grandfather fought in WWI. Was living in Alsace when the German overran it, so he got conscripted as a teenager. Punched a Prussian officer and got sent to a gulag. Killed a man so he knew so he could escape. Finished the war fighting for the French. Won medals on both sides and tossed them all in a river when it was done. Left France and his first family behind just so he could get away from there. Spent his life as a street boxer, sand hog, trapper, hunter, farmer, groundskeeper, whatever. Had kids with three women. My mom the last. Died in his trailer in upstate NY just after I was born so I never got to know him. I played with toy guns just like most boys, watched war movies, had my little war fantasies. Somehow though, I never did care for the old pictures of him in his youth in uniform. My favorite was one of a shirtless old man with his broken nose still well muscled and tan feeding a lost baby deer from a bottle. They had raised it until it got old enough and ran off one day.

    I don’t know what that means or why I shared it.

    I married a woman whose family was all military. After the divorce, besides everything else, I was actually relieved that I never again had to bite my tongue just because some relative was dropping bombs on someone that week or carried a machine gun in a jungle a generation earlier. But, you know, they were all really nice people and we often had good times. Whatever.

    There was some lovely article that made it on the Internet headlines recently about how war is in our genes and was the evolutionary root of human intelligence and creativity.

    Fucking bullshit.

    At least me and the boys are jamming tonight and you can’t think with your ears ringing…

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    the dean | 25 April 2008 at 2:02 am #

    People swallow the same bullshit over and over.

    We fought the commies in Vietnam now we kiss there arse and ignore the truth.

    anzac day or olympics we’ve still being duped.

    the olympics is just another way of opressing the poor.

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    veleska1970 | 25 April 2008 at 2:33 am #

    “they keep selling us this lie
    that war can solve things”
    yes, it is a lie, because if this were true, then why weren’t things solved thousands of years ago? we’ve been warring since we’ve been here. and by the looks of things, we will continue to for as long as we are here. nothing is solved.

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    matt davison | 25 April 2008 at 3:26 am #

    we must remember though!

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    ...being here, doing this... | 25 April 2008 at 3:29 am #

    DULCE ET DECORUM EST (1917)

    Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
    Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
    Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
    And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
    Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
    But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
    Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
    Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

    GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!– An ecstasy of fumbling,
    Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
    But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
    And floundering like a man in fire or lime.–
    Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
    As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

    In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
    He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

    If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,–
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori.

    – Wilfred Owen

    From wikipedia –

    Owen, in the final stanza, asserts that, should readers see what he has seen, they would no longer see fit to instill visions of glorious warfare in young men’s heads. No longer would they tell their children the “Old Lie,” so long ago told by the Roman poet Horace: “Dulce et decorum est / Pro patria mori” (literally, “Sweet and fitting it is to die for your native land”)

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    Lebrinho | 25 April 2008 at 7:27 am #

    I refused the army in my country and got 13 months of hospital work as a punishment for this. My grandad died in 1941 while the army tried to invade Russia, so I guess we’re getting even..

    Can a person order another to kill someone ? Why is there more war, even though every country has it’s army for “self-defence” ? Can one give the military oath to a government of whatever political stance ?

    “Once the whole is divided, the parts need names.
    There are already enough names.
    One must know when to stop.
    Knowing when to stop averts trouble.”
    – Tao the ching
    http://http-server.carleton.ca/~rgray/TaoTeChing/

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    princey | 25 April 2008 at 7:38 am #

    Yep, a waste of so may lives. I’d kill myself if my boy had to be taken away to “fight for his country”. (even though he’s only 4, that horrible thought has crossed my mind, who knows what the future holds….f**k, how depressing, sk please write some poetry or sumthink tomorrow please!!!!)
    love amanda

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    mahatma kane jeeves | 25 April 2008 at 7:47 am #

    the cowardly likes of g bush are best summed up for me in the creedence song ‘fortunate son’ (its on my blog playlist). where has the concept of the young protesting gone – all they seem to want now is ‘stuff’ and reality tv. its hard not to think that the bad guys have won

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    Melby Symon | 25 April 2008 at 8:15 am #

    war is abhorent and a pointless waste of so much beautiful life…but we need to remember the fallen (as Matt D correctly says)in order to prevent ours and future generations making the same horrific and tragic mistake.

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    fantasticandy | 25 April 2008 at 9:48 am #

    war….uhh
    good god,
    what is it good for?

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    cloudburst.adrift | 25 April 2008 at 9:59 am #

    I also think war is a pointless excercise, especially when it’s only for profit. I resent the fact that our lives, and the lives of so many, are in the hands of a maniacal few.

    But Anzac Day gives me a chance to remember that there is evil in the world and people who’d exploit the lives of millions for their own ends. I use Anzac Day to remember the pointless stupidity of war, and to mourn that so many died (and are still dying) for no good purpose..

    It is a time in our history that has to be remembered, if only so we never let such mass slaughter happen again.

    ‘And year after year, more old men disappear, soon no-one will march there at all’
    jane xxx

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    golden thorn in my paw | 25 April 2008 at 10:10 am #

    Yeah, It can really be exacerbating when we realise the men at the top are being driven by power on a level that I, at least find hard to comprehend. Power that has a blatant disregard for human life and puts ambition above all else. Either because the politicians start out with good intentions or are just natural born Machiavellis.
    I don’t know why we end up ripping the shreds out of each others guts in sustained international initiatives.
    I know that I can lose my temper, but how can a country sustain an aggression against another for years and years. It’s odd. Well it’s not that odd, I do understand the internal cycles of bitterness and anger that can last a lot longer than I could want, and these feelings can incinerate anything they touch. But for some reason the lightness
    returns, when I pick up my guitar or when my pals make me laugh, or go for a swim or give up smoking, or just be with the bitterness and the anger rather than run away from it

    The Darwinist, Freudian within me says that maybe it’s about something not within our kenning about genetics, and stuff like that gives the men at the top the full on war fever. The triumph of one over the other. J. G Ballard (I think he’s the “masculine” side of Carter) has pointed out that this veneer of respectability that we have in the west hides a deep rooted repressed aggressive nature that is just waiting to come to the fore when the flimsy stage set of modern western life is pushed aside. The place were unexplained fears and anxieties reside

    The Buddhist the Christian, the One who feels within me says that no man war is about framing life in a way that it just does not have to be. We are all connected on the subtle strings of life. May we all be happy may we all be well? May we all be free from suffering? Let us please at least try to take care of each other. However I do think that the planet itself: all the rocks, trees, animals and sky and things, Is probably a bit sick of the lot of us. It sighs to itself “why can’t these silly buggers sit still and stop doing stuff, and just give it a rest for a while.”

    Thanks as always Mr. Killbey for sharing your ideas. They certainly have made my life more interesting. I just heard the Isidore stuff wow what energy, It absolutely nails it.

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    Hellbound Heart | 25 April 2008 at 10:53 am #

    i think that days like anzac day and remeberance day are to remember the men and women who lost their lives or became infirm in some way (mentally, physically or spiritually) due to the hell of war – and to respect their sacrifices – and to hope like hell that today’s leaders learn from the mistakes and misdeeds of yesterday…not that it seems to be happening…
    love always…

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    Hellbound Heart | 25 April 2008 at 10:54 am #

    shit, forgot the ‘m’

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    esne snoner | 25 April 2008 at 11:35 am #

    read today that hilary clinton actually said she would obliterate iran if they attacked israel – so seems we’ve learnt from the noble idea of having soldiers fight each other in the trenches – much better to take out the entire population – silly people’s own fault for choosing to live under a regime we don’t like much – so yes the end of war as we know it but with something much more sinister in it’s place – ah – let’s just keep reminiscing about the good old days – peace to you sk and all tbb readers

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    linjo | 25 April 2008 at 12:15 pm #

    Anzac day is a day of respect, thanks and infinite sadness. Always a teary day for me. No Matty D, we must never forget or let our kids forget the sacrifices of young life, for the freedom we now have. It will always be a special day now for me, my mum passed away in my arms today about 5.00pm. I have done the talking, drank the port. Linda X

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    the aquarian | 25 April 2008 at 2:27 pm #

    Yeah, I hate wars too. One should NEVER start a war, but to be honest, if my wife, kids, mother, brothers, and sisters are staring down the barrel of an asshole like Hitler (etc.) you can bet my ass is going to be strapped to whatever weapon I can get my hands on to stop that fucker.

    So yeah, I pretty much respect and honor those that gave their lives to protect me and mine.

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    calling down baal and zeus | 25 April 2008 at 3:22 pm #

    “as i lie here with a pout
    my intestines hangin out
    i have had a belly full of war”

    anon

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    calling down baal and zeus | 25 April 2008 at 3:24 pm #

    strength to linda x

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    ScaughtFive | 25 April 2008 at 3:36 pm #

    War is sad and pointless. It is a great waste of people, animals and the very soil that gives us life but people go all Johnny getcher gun when they wave the flag and sons go all hoplite thinking they’ll become men in the heat of battle and sometimes mothers even say ‘either come home with your shield or on it.’ Come on evolution of consciousness, step on it n get us to the world on time.

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    syrinx | 25 April 2008 at 4:01 pm #

    I heard a new statistic yesterday – previously suppressed and misrepresented. It had been said that 1000 vets total have made at least one suicide attempt since leaving the party zone, a lot of them the New War boys. In a leaked memo, it’s not 1000 total – it’s roughly 1000 vets per *month*. Of the eighteen suicide attempts per day in the US, 20% of those are committed by vets. I’m pretty wrecked by those most recent stats.

    But..we build monuments
    to celebrate our glorious dead now..oh wait. Not really.

    Same report: lost soldier’s specific dying wish was that his funeral be covered by the media to show America just one shred of reality. I mean, we know. We just cant get to it. We want to get to it. Men in black and miles of yellow tape kept anyone who could capture the moments from getting close enough, naturally.

    Pray for us. I’m afraid my chosen president will be snatched away from me again by back room deals and some bizarre technicality. Have you heard? Super delegates are the new chads….

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    davem | 25 April 2008 at 5:17 pm #

    They’re all corrupt.
    I worked and waited so many years for a Labour Government & then Blair takes us into Iraq. I’ll never forgive him. So many lives lost. It’s disgusting.

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    Brien Comerford | 25 April 2008 at 5:37 pm #

    I’m a simplistic Judeo-Catholic so here it is. There was a Garden wherein man and the entire animal kingdom lived in peaceful coexistence without any bloodshed. Man obeyed God and animals obeyed man in this idyllic paradise. Then man disobeyed God and the entire creation became corrupted and descended from grace. The fallen world is getting more deadly and dangerous and the forces of violent strife is prevailing over the compassionate force of love in an ever-evolving eternal conflict. Hence, we have wars, homicides and slaughterhouses.

    God bless Empedocles, John Wesley and Steve Kilbey. Isaiah too for offering hope.

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    eek | 25 April 2008 at 8:19 pm #

    Hellbound Heart’s and Linjo’ comments pretty much mirror my own on such remembrance or memorial days. War is always a tragedy for everyone, and I do feel those who served (though not necessarily the “leaders”) deserve respect and thanks. I can hope that we as a species can realise the best way to honour those served and sacrificed is to learn how to solve our differences without war so no one else has to make the same sacrifice.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Linjo — my most sincere condolences. My mother died four years ago Wednesday.

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    heather | 25 April 2008 at 9:38 pm #

    I watched the televised dawn services and a bit of the sydney march and was struck by the sorrow expressed in people’s faces….

    in this era we se Australia begin to come to terms with and own it’s past…..sorry day; and anzac day, a day of mourning…

    condolences to you Linda xx

    Kittykat

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    steve kilbey | 25 April 2008 at 9:52 pm #

    linda
    deepest sympathy
    steve

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    John | 26 April 2008 at 8:35 pm #

    I always feel conflicted on Memorial day in the states. I cannot disrespect a soldier, because they have not done anything against me or anyone I know. Yet I cannot, for the life of me, identify with their motivation, their cause. When I hear guys get excited about joining the military, about making a career out of it, my inabilit to understand racks me with guilt. And reading Robert Heinlein doesn’t help either.

    John Garratt


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