posted on December 8, 2007 at 8:30 pm

the world of men
pushing you towards a binary decision
the high road or the low road
war or peace
on or off
liberal or labor
democrat or republican
this or that
the world of men tries to tell me
listen, boyo
when it comes to this whole
earth/life/ meaning-of-it-all question
sometimes called
the big question
the world of men in 2007 says
listen,
are you a creationist
or are you for a process called evolution?
there are your 2 candidates…
oh now steven you dont wanna rush into this
youve been grappling with this since you arrived
there is no need for anyone who reads me
to write in here
pointing out the way christianity or evolution works
i believe i understand both principles thoroughly
i did em at school, just like you
i studied and tried to observe both things
my 2 choices
i was given as a childe
by my western world
that i was trusting implicitly
because i was
well
i was a childe
i looked hard at christianitys explanation of lifes beginning
on earth
im sorry everyone
the vicars and reverends
and all good christians
all schismed up into your denominations
and sects
and interpretations
your bloody horrific history
for the man of peace
the people around me
those who claimed loudest they were christian
displaying none of christs grace or mercy
puffed up on their fairy tale bullshit
that
to tell the truth
they didnt even really understand themselves…
well
nonetheless
even as a childe
the adam n eve n jehovah and snakey snakey
i mean c’mon
even as a five year olde
one must approach this little cock-tale with a pinch of salt
as an adult i see this is some kind of allegory
it is not meant to be taken literally
its a story that is supposed to point out a greater truth
although whatever that truth is
in this case
eludes us modern folk, i’d say
i mean what the hell are we supposed to come away with
after reading this load of olde malarkey?
1 god created the world….
ok im with you there
of course it raises other questions
but for the time being
ok….
2 he created everything but the people to start with and
then he did adam and cos he was lonely, eve
hmmm already feeling like something from the grimms
3 everything was peachy for a couple of days
until eve was persuaded to eat a magic apple by a talking snake
who had legs up until then.when eve talked adsy into a bite
god, totally pissed off (though here was a genius who could design an ear-drum
or a dragon -fly
or carve great waterfalls and all the rest)
this incredible artist
this divine inventor
is totally miffed and throws a william
fuck it says
i guess in hebrew
or whatever him and adsy spoke together
thats it!
he chucks em out
gives us pain and mortality
he’s extra nasty to eve and all women to come
making them bear children in agony
(how were they to be born previously then? one wonders)
cos of that one fucking apple
talk about bearing a grudge….
at 8 years old
i perceived it as one of the most unlikely things
i had ever heard
yet i was told by all the religious authorities
this is the way this world got here
its quite patently bullshit!
why even bother demolishing it further
its totally unacceptable
i was not fucking born in or of mortal sin
i have nothing to do with adam n evie
noah(read gilgamesh)
or someone dying for my sins
i believe jesus christ existed
i believe he said wonderful revolutionary things
was he the son of god?
arent we all, in some senses
and not, in others…..?
he said he was the son of man
thats beautiful and highly ambiguous
but nowhere did he say or even any of the dudes writing it
that he was dying for people in the futures sins
thats an accretion
that means someone added that in later
not into the bible
but into the manifesto of the christian faith
someone came up with that ransom bit
hundreds of years later
it was welded on
jesus never said it
anyway
i felt defiantly non -christian
i had been taught or was led to believe
that the other religions were all a load of superstitions
and savagery and idol worship etc
after all christianity must be the real religion
because we had given hindus muslims and all the rest
a damn good kicking over the years
and their gods hadnt seemed to intervene
so one presumed christianity was the last word in god
and
that last word was
at least as far as
how did this all get here? is concerned
bullshit!
no one could believe that was how
this wonderful planet and all its amazing stuff
got here…
ok
so
i am not
never was
will never be
a “creationist”
the other candidate
in this election
was a theory called evolution
discovered or invented or postulated or whatever
by a druid named darwin
who was a christian
who was still a christian when he died
who imagined evolution as a part of “gods” way of working
not instead of it
science ran with the ball
they saw evolution in everything
and after a while
evolution became the prime mover
and “god” was gone from the equation
not only that
but evolution was thought to prove
the nonexistence of “god”
of course this left a few awkward gaps
and it was kinda decided ( i guess)
that it all started off
theres this planet
part of the big bang
thrown out from this explosion
as the big bang banged
and these perfectly spinning spheres
come flying out
and go into orbit around this star
also part of the bang-ski
which is just sitting there shining away
and our sphere
called the earth
is just loaded with all kinds of chemistry thingies
accidentally of course
by chance
all of this happened by chance
because western science cannot accept it otherwise
and one day
this is a good part
almost as good as the snake
as far as using your imagination
one day
many moons ago
lightning struck a pool of chemicals
and it
jolted by a great uncertain voltage
miraculously
though we cannot use that word
this pool of primordial blechh
assembled itself into life
and then
it started to figure itself out
this charged up amino acid thingo
it was now alive
the rest
as they say
is history
the amino slime grew
into bacterial doo-dahs
they grew gills bills
wings trunks
legs
birds turned into mammals
mammals into apes
apes into men
men into….ummm
well that leaves us here
doesnt it
western world
2007
god is dead
said a crazy german guy and we sniggered and agreed
no reason other than the variety of nature:
i say other day
trees breathe out oxygen…its a miracle
commenter says
au contraire…that proves its no miracle
we must summise therefore
everything is totally open to interpretation
each proof for one side
is also a proof for the other proving the opposite
evolution
which is based on a chance
of whirlwinds assembling jumbos from a junkyard
or monkeys typing out shakespeares complete works
in other words
its totally improbable , statistically speaking
evolution and random chance and a long time
put this all together
every incredible thing just happened of its own accord over time
all those golden ratios
all those immaculate autonomous interconnecting mechanisms
all this wonder and terror and glory and horror
the world with its tenderness and brutality
everything is just here by chance
ok
theres your 2 choices
howard or rudd
creationism or evolution
the ridiculous past
the ridiculous future
not for me, boyo
not for me
dont tell me i gotta choose between these 2 non starters
you saying i dont have a 3rd
or 4th
or a thousand other candidates
is this really what it comes down to
adsy and evie
or i’m a fucking monkey man
i dont know bout you science-boy
but i aint no monkey
i am prepared to believe we share similarities of design
doesnt all life in varying degrees
dont we have many similarities to a green fly in principle?
arent we all “creatures”?
anyway
nobody is gonna trap me into a category
with some tricky loaded phrase like
“intelligent design”
that phrase now carries a christian stigma
although
unfortunately it is a very good phrase
because
i can only see
intelligent, nay, genius design
everywhere
i am humbled by whoever did this, by their vast mastery
not on canvas or film or tape or stage
but a master who works in living things
we know now how our merest thoughts can change the crystal pattern
of water
everything interconnected
everything vibrating
everything moving in a dance of one zillion years
i have avidly searched and read
i do not take things as true because our modern latest science says so
science has been wrong or partially wrong
or right for the wrong reason many times
it contradicts itself every hundred years or more
and thats well and good and healthy
and evolutionist science
has done a good job of silencing everyone else
with ridicule
daring you to laugh
at their lack of birds with half a wing
turtles with half a shell
their dawn horses
and their missing links
big fucking deal
someone or somethings skull
how grisly
the way we dig things up and fuck around with em
i dont need a skull or a bible
i am a living creature
with senses i do not even realise i may have
i think and observe
i hold no fucking allegiance to either side
spare me your christian or scientific dogma
i know it
i read it too
now im feeling something
ive felt it before
it has been a small voice in my heart
or an overwhelming force hammering me along
it has shown me the way in small ways
it has comforted me
it has filled my head with music and words
it has inspired me to try harder
no one can tell me what i have felt and what it was
i have made direct contact only once
and it was everything i always wanted
as sweet a nectar as the hindus always say
thats an allegory, folks
this god of mine
is so huge
is so tiny
does not punish
or judge
does not throw people out of gardens
or preside over worlds of chance
and monkey men who crawled from ligtning struck pools
he will not be trapped in yer test tube
he will not be measured by yer blah blah meter
(i use the word “he” for lack of an appropriate pronoun)
observe this earth
its formulas
its colours
its ratios
the privilege and responsibility of being a human
the gratitude we should have for living in “peaceful” countries
the pain and death yes
but also the love
the magnificence of just about everything
the wonder of it all
does jehovah or evolution really explain it all to you?
take up a discipline
train your eye to see
your ear to hear
question every fucking assumption ever fed to you
including those by me
think for yourself
quieten your babbling mind
things are happening on every frequency on the dial
but we’re tuned into the same old a.m. station
cranking out that same old jive day in day out
think about what you spout
come up with yer own take
of course darwin was on track in some ways
thats what us humans do
we analyse n figure it all out
yes yes yes adaptation is a wonderful process
but it aint all
theres more to it
cmon you can feel it cant you?
life is unbelievable
there is something else
something more
something that seems to remain hidden
something outside the box
beyond our tiny minds
ha ha ha
how funny to think
charlie darwins thoughts
should be seen as the final word
when they barely scratch the surface
they may attempt to explain how
but never
why?
why?
why?
that
is what
you should be asking
yourself

59 Responses to “in a japanese restaurant: i was drinking for gods sake”

  1. avatar
    andmoreagain | 8 December 2007 at 11:29 pm #

    Well ya, kinda. I’ve never been totally sold on either, being a agnostic with doubts with a scientist for a Pa. Some things, many things, are not explainable and I think any scientist worth his or her salt would reach the same conclusion.

  2. avatar
    Anonymous | 8 December 2007 at 11:33 pm #

    I so wish you were right, Steve. I too can’t swallow the ‘either/or’ options that’ve been handed down. Orthodox scientific dogma as unthinking as its religious counterpart. The utter arrogance of thinking we can ‘know’. The only certain thing is that whatever the ‘truth’ of this is, it’ll be far beyond anything the human mind can conceive of. Various theories may have fractional glimpses of different parts of the whole. But no-one can ‘know’. I don’t have any unified viewpoint I could argue coherently – but something akin to your view of all this would be far more attractive than the alternatives.

  3. avatar
    isolde | 8 December 2007 at 11:34 pm #

    Thanks Steve, maintaining independence of thought is the most important thing

    your ear grows small bones to close off and protect the inner ear in cold water

    other products of nature such as the mind and society spontaneously grow various isms and communal beliefs about the unknowable to protect their interests when they find themselves in hot water

  4. avatar
    Belfrank | 8 December 2007 at 11:38 pm #

    Something you want to get of your chest Killa??

    F

  5. avatar
    eek | 9 December 2007 at 12:13 am #

    I believe the how can more or less be eventually figured out. Not in our lifetimes, not within thousands upon thousands, million upon millions of years, but somewhere down the line I think most of how can be learned. So there are people who unlock little bits of the how and some of those little bits of knowledge help improve lives. Yay. More power to them.

    The why (the big why ie. “why does the world/do we exist?”) of it all however…. I think the why is unknowable. I realise some people feel compelled to try to figure out why and that’s great for them, but I’m pretty sure too much of that would just drive me crazy. Some things just are. I’m ok with that.

  6. avatar
    Owl | 9 December 2007 at 12:24 am #

    Yes! Why ? Your 100% correct, thats the question that matters. Thanks , once agsin, for the reminder.

  7. avatar
    JONNY NOT YET SO HOLLYWOODISH | 9 December 2007 at 12:56 am #

    eye hope YOU ALL understood what me esskay just said, your imagination is your destination, God is only ‘a’ mind’s eye away…
    Ne ik’O’

  8. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 1:11 am #

    if you believe the “christians”,we’re all incestuous sinners,not worthy of any rights…the catholic church,to me,is just an absolute abomination of charity,faith,and hope…sorry to quote bono,but “the god i know,aint short o cash mister!”…do you think that darwin was a toad-licker?…or just had the courage in his heart to “shock”the establishment into humility at the concept that they may all “just” be apes???you can see where the denominatory,heirarchical christian type churches would have been mortified at such a proposal!haha!…even if i weren’t a scientist,i would have loved to “present” the old bafoons/baboons{no offence to the animals,there ;)},with this revelation…if “god” says that i am an orangutan?he’d wanna be brandishing a few bananas to soften the blow!…oh,dear!…did “god” make hangovers?or be that the work of man?my hangover is slowly moving next door…thank god for coffee,i say!…i have seen god in the eyes of my little one…i have heard god in the song{it was so intensely beautiful,and incredible,but apparently not unheard of}that my daughter angelically covered me with,a mere 10hours after she was born…her tiny little head on my breast…singing this “eeeee,eeeeeee,eeeee,eeeee”in the most “divine” sonic,mist…i have felt “god”though that is a label that i am not “easy” with.i have seen god at work…gee,welcome to sunday!much love to you,as always,gen xxxxx

  9. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 1:13 am #

    How? Circumstance.
    Why? No reason.
    Purpose? None.
    Meaning? None.

  10. avatar
    veleska1970 | 9 December 2007 at 1:13 am #

    “why” is a good question. one i ask all the time. and one that may never be answered.

    🙁

    lotza love…….

  11. avatar
    fantasticandy | 9 December 2007 at 1:17 am #

    we share 97% of our genes with the tapeworm.
    fact.
    is this knowledge significant in some way?
    enjoy your day of rest people!
    love,
    andy L.

  12. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 1:23 am #

    ahh.. the big question…i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, i think if we went back far enough in time we’d come to a place where science and miracle meet…not necessarily in a christan way but in a rawer, more fundamental form…it would be like raw ore or something that’s very unrefined and powerful and elemental…
    just my thoughts, guys…
    love always
    -The Hellbound Heart

  13. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 1:57 am #

    so,andyl?does that mean that “we all exist parasitically in the gut of god?{oh,sorry bout thet!”a dog,i meant.MAYBE?!;-)…no,truly,i believe that our universe,and beyond,”is” god…if that be the case???”everything” is god’s blueprint,or DNA.its perfection.a human?is perfection.a beast?perfection.we’re all gonna be allright.happy sunday !…love,gen x

  14. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 9 December 2007 at 2:00 am #

    Humans and the entirity of the animal kingdom are all creatures of an omnipotent Creator. To intentionally harm or kill an innocent human or animal species is an affront to the Creator and may spirutually result in negative karmic ramifications for the perpetrator. Right-wing radical Christians and Muslims are more dangerous and violent than vicious degenerates on crack. Pacifist Hindus and Jains who abstain from flesh-foods are very cool. My spiritual heroes are Empedocles, Isaiah, John Wesley, William Booth, Martin De Porres, Albert Schweitzer, Mahatma Gandhi, Cesar Chavez, Richard Schwartz and the Dalai Lama. Do I emulate any of them. No ! I won’t eat fish but if Jim Beam could talk he would say I drink like a very thirsty fish.
    truly yours,

    A Penitent

  15. avatar
    Sunshine | 9 December 2007 at 2:51 am #

    Fiery love! That is what I feel, SK. I think “god” is something/someone different for everyone, and everyone should be free to believe however and whatever feels right for them. I don’t trust organized religion, myself, but I don’t want to go into the whys and wherefores on your blog comments section.

    (I was SO sure you were going to say “42” somewhere in there.)

    ~Sunshine

  16. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 3:02 am #

    42.

  17. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 3:13 am #

    what is the purpose of life on earth anyway? but we are here, we are now, cant change that, no use asking why, just look after what we got. I have trouble answering “why doesnt Santa take baby alives and bikes to all those poor kids in other countries mum? some whys just dont have a rational answer

    L

  18. avatar
    blackeyes | 9 December 2007 at 3:41 am #

    L?

  19. avatar
    blackeyes | 9 December 2007 at 3:43 am #

    look after yourself, … sir.

  20. avatar
    triantelope | 9 December 2007 at 4:00 am #

    the jumbo in a junkyard analogy is a complete fallacy. the very earliest self-replicating molecules were exceedingly simple – you wouldn’t even define them as “life”. that came later, along with greater and greater complexity, as evolution did it’s thing.

    why does life exist? simply because it can.

    if it’s “purpose” you’re looking for – we’re all free to define our own purpose and meaning in life. that, to this hairless ape, is the greatest beauty of all.

  21. avatar
    Melissa | 9 December 2007 at 6:10 am #

    Well done SK, today’s blog was an absolutely wonderful read 🙂

    “now im feeling something
    ive felt it before
    it has been a small voice in my heart
    or an overwhelming force hammering me along
    it has shown me the way in small ways
    it has comforted me
    it has filled my head with music and words
    it has inspired me to try harder”

    This part I love especially 🙂 – it is something that I can to relate to myself. I know it will sound weird to some people, but I once had the most amazing experience at a yoga class during the end meditation/savasana. I thought my heart (chakra) was going to burst, it was so warm and swirling .. and I ended up going home just about bawling – because I felt so happy! It was like a feeling of this intense universal love (that sounds terribly hippy I know). Never felt anything like that before.

    I have no set beliefs, but I am interested in everything. My personal philosophy is to try and live life with an open mind and an open heart 🙂

    Once, I read this thing where Bono asked Mikhael Gorbachev if he believes in God. MG said no, but ‘I believe in the Universe’. I really loved that 🙂

  22. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 9 December 2007 at 6:24 am #

    Comparing humans to monkeys is an insult to the great apes. The majority of non-human primates are vegetarian and they do not kill their own species or other species. Conversely, humans massacre all animal species and their own species. Not u SK but humanity in general. As I write, intelligent, sociable and priceless gorillas, bonobos and orangutans are being ruthlessly butchered in the Congo and adjacent regions by poachers and bush-meat profiteers. Mr. Celebrity Christian, namely, Bono, never addresses wildlife slaughter in Africa. For that matter he does not denounce black on black genocide in Africa. Bono wrote the wonderful tribute to Martin Luther King (Pride). Ever since he has fomented a calculated polical correctness and exploited it to pander to a morally bankrupt and disgusting, untruthful media that is afraid to delve into the truth. Bono could not make a pimple on a rat’s behind. The rat struggles to survive while Bono lives in a safe castle in Ireland and lays a guilt trip on his fans. Bono rightfully hated South Africa for years but he wrongfully has no problems with the murderous regime in Zimbabwe. BONO=Hypocrite!!

  23. avatar
    markobears | 9 December 2007 at 6:33 am #

    Tonight a vegan Mac Danzig just won the ufc final fight. The other top finalist who he beat in the first round just happens to be a livestock farmer. Your ju jitsu buddy probably gets into this stuff.
    I decided never to vote for the dem/rep party again. However there’s one democrat I’ve noticed recently and I think someone like you might find him interesting and maybe even be supportive. Dennis Kucinich. For one thing he’s a vegan. He’s still anti war unlike most of the other traitors who go right back to being bushes little redneck america bitches after ey get elected. I’m gonna see if i can dig up any dirt on him before i get behind him though.
    You have allot of power steve simply cause so many people read your blog.

  24. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 6:56 am #

    i was not here when it all began
    i won’t be here when it all ends
    i don’t believe it was abracadabra
    i don’t believe we’re monkey-men
    i think that looking back is a foolish mistake
    i think we should look ahead instead
    debating either or is a waste of time
    while mother earth dies of neglect

    xoxo

  25. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 7:44 am #

    Dear Brian, I know you said “majority” of non human primates are vegetarians and do not kill other species. Chimps kill for meat and rape their females. Baboons kill for meat. Other monkeys will kill for territory. Perhaps not such an insult to compare us to monkeys!

    Linda

  26. avatar
    daniel12 | 9 December 2007 at 7:55 am #

    Correct me if i’m wrong but i thought a creationist was simply someone who believes in a creator ?
    I didn’t think it a denominational word but someone who beleives in Adam and Eve might be described as a biblical creationist.Either way i consider neither term an insult.
    I have friends who are creationists and some who are science based atheists. I even have a couple who think there from outa space.
    Some of these friends mix well and others i keep well clear of eachother. I’m bit of a social creature and often after a night out i’ll find myself in one of those late night D & M type discussions.There allways best if there are some differing ponts of veiw. But inevitably no points of veiw are changed and we all carry on as we did before.
    But what if this was not case.
    What if by some cross examination of beliefs we actually unravelled the mystery of life.
    If that ever happened i suspect Mr Grim would soon be at the door. (regarding the reaping)
    I honestly beleive that we arn’t supposed to know. If you did it would be game over.you’ve worked it out . People who say they know are generaly madmen or charlatans accepting cash or credit.
    The mystery of life is an essential part of life, we’ll never solve it . The more we learn the more we realize how little we know. An infinite mystery within a mystery.So my question is ,why bother? Why waste thought on an unsolveable mystery when we have the most pressing issues here in the physical world ?
    It seems like a cop out.
    That’s not to say i’ve got no relationship with god or infinity. And i’m not advocating we all become mindless artless environerds either.
    I just think we need some perspective.
    China’s population has just hit 1.5
    billion. And they all want what we’ve got.
    And who are we to say they can’t have it . After all there making it all for us.

  27. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 8:50 am #

    markobears…..please please change that revolting profile picture – steve?, steve can you hear me? – make him change it steve – i’ll buy another print if you do, honest

  28. avatar
    Celticat | 9 December 2007 at 9:34 am #

    Steve, I reckon it’s Mother Nature and our minds.

    Thought provoking today

    Thank you

  29. avatar
    Peter Podcast | 9 December 2007 at 10:44 am #

    Awesome rant today,my man.
    In hindu thought some thng can
    Exist
    or not exist
    Both exist and not exist
    and neither exist nor not exist.
    Dicohtomy is a western flaw.
    Hope your inner ear is as healthy as your inner life.

  30. avatar
    better | 9 December 2007 at 11:16 am #

    42 = lovely

    ah Sk
    I appreciate you kicking over the apple cart yet again…
    Its very interesting how there is a lack of truth in dialogs in certain religion that completely overlooks how there are elements to consciousness that tap into perceivable truths.. cuz I would say that truth is a realization, a mediation upon a well manicured wisdom, not a soapbox declaration that people can easily be inspired by or reject.. surface distraction.. its a different discipline and realization that develops that ability to discriminate and find points of reference and say it is this and not that, and as things are all one there are limitations to realizing that.. the rishis and many other wise men have realized those limits, Science and evolution are part of the story, animals, animate and inanimate objects have a particular energy field that takes a certain level of understanding..

    Christianity has loads of limitations and there is no doubt much distraction and muddling of message, it is clear that to them it is better to be bound to a set of stories that bear confusing yet captivating fruits..
    and its a real process to attain a scope in reality that perceives divinity.. its easy to be simple and/ or frustrated and to say its this or that, but as one pierces reality and looks into truth, it becomes more apparent the level of dedication and religion one has to cultivate… its easy to trust the senses and place faith in common observation, it only goes so far… and life will only appear as such, I never felt the need to address an atheist since they deny themselves the capability to perceive divinity.. and thats all I have to say, the arguments are easy to frustrate, and ultimately it comes down to knowing the depths of the soul… from there the language of love becomes the voice that speaks the loudest, it goes beyond words.. its our connection, its the best thing we can participate in and learn to do… peace,

    jaime r………

  31. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 12:12 pm #

    steve – it’s funny how everyone says it was an apple -it doesn’t mention what it is.What if the question back then was:do we have the right to govern ourselves?

  32. avatar
    fantasticandy | 9 December 2007 at 12:43 pm #

    gen x,
    we ARE parasites in the gut of god!
    or at least in the gut of mother earth……
    take,
    take,
    take,
    take,
    take.

  33. avatar
    Brien Comerford | 9 December 2007 at 4:53 pm #

    SK’s evocative, compelling and virtually irrefutable blog has my Creatinist mind racing like a headless, animated cadever.

    Markobears: Kucinich is indeed the antithesis of Bush/ Cheney. He’s a vegan, an environmentalist and a social justice and civil rights advocate. He wants Cheney impeached for WAR CRIMES. Lamentably, he has no swagger or oratorical prowess to articulate his illuminating worldview to galvanize the masses. Obama is an impressive candidate. He idolizes Gandhi and Mandela and he unites people. He held an anti Iraq war rally in 2002 in Chicago. An eloquent and measured man. More power to him.

  34. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 5:23 pm #

    Now THAT’S a fucking blog!!!!

  35. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 7:04 pm #

    What’s it all about, Alfie?

  36. avatar
    davem | 9 December 2007 at 7:25 pm #

    JC was though allowing himself to be a blood sacrifice……if you choose to take any of the Bible malarkey at face value. Which, given the historical context, clearly was a symbolic act of redemption n atonement for sins and therefore JC making a pretty clear claim for himself to be God . That ain’t accretion, SK. Horrible blood-thirsty, distressing stuff though and I can’t buy into it….. I’ve tried!!
    xx

  37. avatar
    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 8:59 pm #

    good evening andy l…i am agreed with you,my friend..youre spot on!…love,gen x

  38. avatar
    the dean | 9 December 2007 at 9:12 pm #

    Darwin called it a theory only but when science becomes faith we have a problem called religion.

    When both the Pope and the Dalai Lama say beware of syncretism you have to wonder if they are just promoting their own cause.

    Sk would be numered amounst the syncretic heretics, burned at the (like a) steak and reviled by the centres of learning. Not such a bad thing.

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    Anonymous | 9 December 2007 at 10:12 pm #

    Why do you write poetry and prose, music and lyrics? Why do you paint, swim and practise yoga, take a wife and have children, socialise, lionise, immortalise, eat, drink and be ‘merry’?

    Because it pleases you and brings you pleasure. Simple and true.

    MungoPushul x

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    gregra&gar | 10 December 2007 at 12:06 am #

    Steve, “why?” is a creationist question assuming there is an intention behind the “what”s and “how”s science seeks the answers to.
    Buddha found all intention to originate in the questioner of the totally purposeless way of nature, the tao.

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    ...being here, doing this... | 10 December 2007 at 12:29 am #

    i think
    easy answers
    are created for and by those
    who
    need them most…

    the fearful
    the superficial
    the dogmatic
    the hardened
    the unloving
    the disconnected

    questions
    are far more useful
    to the spiritual explorer

    as we observe ourselves asking,
    submitting to the unknown
    in openness
    and humility,
    again and again…

    that
    which is beyond words
    and beyond thought
    can come into
    being

    like bloodflow
    to a relaxed,
    open heart

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    Anonymous | 10 December 2007 at 1:32 am #

    wow
    nice blog

    great advice
    ask questions you say…

    here’s one

    …since we are talking creation and evolution…tell me this..

    how did the straights in the music industry take to the name the of your band
    and what assumptions were made about a band called the church?…secondly do people assume you are a creationist because of the name of the band yer in?

    timf

  43. avatar
    timf | 10 December 2007 at 1:34 am #

    well said being here doing this.

  44. avatar
    nickfiction | 10 December 2007 at 1:51 am #

    well put …..i believe quite the same regarding the ” history of christ ” he was just a man, but those other stories cause trouble dont they ?

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    JJ | 10 December 2007 at 2:02 am #

    So much is unknown, I think Darwin would have been the first to admit that. His theory was that species change over time, which can even be observed in a human lifetime with microbes. The earth changes over time. It’s interesting that many people, christian fundamentalists in particular, think Darwin was an atheist, which you point out that he was not.

    Why? I don’t know that there is an answer, but the diversity and beauty of life on this planet is indeed stunning and amazing. I hope that it isn’t all lost due to human stupidity. I fear it’s headed that way.

    Understanding it all – I think we’ve only scratched the surface, with religion often being an obstacle rather than a lens or window.

  46. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 December 2007 at 2:33 am #

    MungoPushul = MumboJumbo…..what was your point brother?

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    Fawn | 10 December 2007 at 4:07 am #

    It’s difficult for us humans to understand such complexities and therefore we divide into black and white and then choose. I wish I could send you a book which delves into this so deeply but I wouldn’t know where to send it and also it’s a very old one of mine and I don’t know if I could get it again. They might still have it in the Adyar in the Theosophy section. It’s called the Story of Human Evolution. It describes the ‘beginning’ the various root races that have existed on earth, the fall, Leumuria, Atlantas, the ages (yugas) the planet goes through. It helps because you get a glimpse of what those symbolic religious stories of creation, adam and eve, the fall, etc might mean and it becomes apparent that in a sense, all the theories are true it’s just that they have huge gaps and when the gaps are filled, there is no conflict between scientific theory and religious. Like you and most other people, those fairy tale stories sound rediculous but when you read this information that dates back thousands of years, it makes more sense. When you think of the level of education of most people up until very recently, it’s pretty understandable that the intellectuals of the time (of writing religious documents) had to tell the ‘truth’ in the most simplistic way possible even if meant people could only get a glimpse of the truth in some deep symbolic way. Plato also wrote about some similar themes in Timeas.
    Great blog – I don’t know how you get the time to live and do so many things when you write blogs like this every day!

  48. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 December 2007 at 6:02 am #

    hope the ear is feeling better sk.:-)

  49. avatar
    blackeyes | 10 December 2007 at 6:40 am #

    .. what did the quack say?

  50. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 December 2007 at 6:50 am #

    hope everything went well at the ear doc’s…love,gen x

  51. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 December 2007 at 9:30 am #

    God I miss it when you’re not around!
    Love princey

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    Anonymous | 10 December 2007 at 10:31 am #

    So many people so worried about you, old chap….must be nice. I will add my voice to the chorus…let’s just hope you can hear it.

    B.Bon

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    Anonymous | 10 December 2007 at 10:35 am #

    you have a rest and take care of yourself, matey…we’ll be quite ok for a while and i’m sure we’ll have lots to talk about amongst ourselves…
    love always
    -The Hellbound Heart

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    Ethereal Butterfly | 10 December 2007 at 11:21 am #

    I concur with this inspiring bloggage for the most part – but the Adam & Eve story was (is) a metaphor, as is used in oral tradition for explaining the unexplainable – or for explaining something from the ‘too hard basket’, and here is where I think creationist and evolutionist theory mix – the need to understand something for the general populace going back thousands of years would have lead to such a metophorical way of comprehending science. Science & art were not always separate schools of thought, as they are now, and only have been for a couple of hundred years since post medieval times ( I think this is correct – historians can correct me on when they separated exactly) but it was around the time of the humanism movement.

    Sending your ear & spirit positive healing energy………..

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    Anonymous | 10 December 2007 at 11:40 am #

    Quite.

    I hope your gig goes really well tomorrow night, and the rest of the tour thereafter. I hope you have gathered pleasant ear roadies who have prepared potions, ointments, tissanes, noise reduction headphones, calming meditation spaces, and tender words.

    love, smiles, and goodvibes KittyKat xxx

  56. avatar
    Anonymous | 10 December 2007 at 8:23 pm #

    That is a nice manifesto Steve.

    Florian

  57. avatar
    Centuryhouse | 12 December 2007 at 4:10 am #

    Excellent bit of writing.

    I’ve arrived at similar conclusions.

    Or maybe not ‘conclusions’ since that implies a final opinion having been reached.

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    Galamor the Wizard | 12 December 2007 at 7:11 am #

    Steve, like the song says,”Don’t fight it” – the knock out blow of Atheism is a big one that will leave you wondering why you spent so many years looking for “an answer”! You argue so hard against it – I was the same – you’re almost there!! Life is utimately pointless for anything other than passing on genes. Get beyond the pink robot programming (like Yoshimi) and you will see that THAT is the ultimate truth – if you want to care about the truth. Get over it! No god, no meaning – only to live the now. Religion is (sometimes good) philosophy wrapped in fairy tales. You went to school like us all but you quite obviously DIDN’T get it… and I know ’cause I teach the stuff. Go and read The God Delusion to really blow your mind!

  59. avatar
    Anonymous | 12 December 2007 at 8:13 am #

    yeah,right..over it!really over it.


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